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I feel the same way about both of them. I don't think so, as good as they both are, why would they need them?
They are both getting old for their weight classes, so I suppose it's possible.
We see a lot of supposed evidence thrown around but as of today they are both clean. What do you think?
If they are on something then their test would have comeback positive dont you think? The Marquez picture with the acne could be prove that hes on something but that something would have to be legal since hes not failing any test. Kinda how Floyd uses those injections that are only legal in Vegas, if he fought somewhere else he'd fail the test for PED
Floyd Mayweather Jr. uses illegal injections
I mean its possible that their on something that hasnt been found to be illegal in combat sports. So if Marquez and Manny are on something that isnt illegal yet would they still be considered cheats?
not unless you count drinkin' your own p!$$ as a ped...
Manny said Marquez lost the fight because Marquez only drank his own urine, but to win, he has to eat his own $#!t, make strong for the fight !
$#!t, maybe Marquez took Manny's advice and did eat his own $#!t for that last rematch where Marquez won by KO. Who knows...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2kQV2qHUhE
Who knows. Good chance everyone that can afford the good stuff is on them. But to address the "Floyd uses illegal injections" rumor Arum started.
1)they aren't illegal
2)Keith Kizer came out saying that Floyd doesn't even really use them. Simply type in "Keith Kizer says Floyd Mayweather doesn't use illegal injections" and it will come right up for you. Writer by professionals from the mouth of the(at the time) head of the NSAC.(not a rival promoter)
Yes. Of course they are. Who would think otherwise?
People talk about it like Floyd invented the practice, or that he's the only guy who has done it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
The practice is old as fuck. Muhammad Ali used cortisone injections in his hands too. Don't really hear many people talking about how Muhammad Ali was a cheater.
Here's Pacheco talking about that shit.
Muhammad Ali: His Life and Times - Thomas Hauser - Google Books
No neither fighter takes PED and work hard in the gym to achieve their greatness.
JMM is desperate to rise in the status Pac has. In the end JMM will pay the ultimate price for being so desperate. Time will tell. Even today not all mexican got love for JMM like they had love for the past great mexicano's.
Shane Mosely NEVER failed a test... The testing in boxing is a joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maravilla2012
Yup... I don't know why people still have this illusion that the athletic commissions are stamping out cheating.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Mosley, Holyfield, Gamboa, ect never tested positive. It took the FBI busting the lab that provided them and finding their names on reciepts. When Margacheato tried to use loaded handwraps, who caught him and stopped him? The commission? No, Mosley's trainer. Who caught Resto after he did irreversible damage to his opponent with loaded gloves? The commission? No. It was Billy Collins' dad who felt Resto's glove after the fight. Lance Armstrong raced hundreds of times and never got caught, and he was the biggest steroid cheat in history.
When you consider that a lot of substances (EPO, HGH, ect) were not tested for for many years and big steroid distributers like BALCO knew all the ins and outs of drug testing and even developed a product that was untraceable by any test, things like that make it hard to believe in the lie that commissions do much to stop these guys.
It's been well documented that Manny's camp, when he was negotiating with Floyd the first time around, sent two emails to Floyd's camp: one asked what the penalty was if Manny tested positive and the second asked that, in the event of a positive test, that the results could be kept a secret for the integrity of boxing and the interest in the fight.
If you're one of these guys that thinks all his favorite fighters are clean because they're "good guys" and if they were cheating they'd be caught, keep living the dream lol
"Well-documented" only singularly and exclusively by Ted Atlas and him alone, whom to this day have not, cannot, and will not be able to support this failed allegation nor be able to submit proof to give credence to this "fallacy" of a claim and improve on its status to somewhat be better than a "manufactured lie" fabricated by a disgruntled individual whose sole intent is malicious in nature at best.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerYup... I don't know why people still have this illusion that the athletic commissions are stamping out cheating.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Mosley, Holyfield, Gamboa, ect never tested positive. It took the FBI busting the lab that provided them and finding their names on reciepts. When Margacheato tried to use loaded handwraps, who caught him and stopped him? The commission? No, Mosley's trainer. Who caught Resto after he did irreversible damage to his opponent with loaded gloves? The commission? No. It was Billy Collins' dad who felt Resto's glove after the fight. Lance Armstrong raced hundreds of times and never got caught, and he was the biggest steroid cheat in history.
When you consider that a lot of substances (EPO, HGH, ect) were not tested for for many years and big steroid distributers like BALCO knew all the ins and outs of drug testing and even developed a product that was untraceable by any test, things like that make it hard to believe in the lie that commissions do much to stop these guys.
It's been well documented that Manny's camp, when he was negotiating with Floyd the first time around, sent two emails to Floyd's camp: one asked what the penalty was if Manny tested positive and the second asked that, in the event of a positive test, that the results could be kept a secret for the integrity of boxing and the interest in the fight.
If you're one of these guys that thinks all his favorite fighters are clean because they're "good guys" and if they were cheating they'd be caught, keep living the dream lol
And if you're asking...Ted Atlas who?
The answer to that.. is him who attributes in one hand, each and every Mike Tyson's greatness to his influence and presence during the time when the young world champ was with him and Cus d'Amato, early times... and the other, him who in parallel to this claim maintain that the reason for Mike's decline vis-a-vis, is the consequence of his absence, when the ex champ banished him off the camp for various reasons none of which seemingly unjustified.
So the "well-documented" angle loses steam if you are a stickler for the truth or even, if you are just the ordinary average Joe who has a brain and, who is not out to look for "utter stupidity" in believing and hanging on each and every word emanating...coming out of a loose cannon and the likes of "Uncle Ted".
Marquez is not using and never has. Pacquiao isn't currently using. But even Stevie Wonder could see he used before
Marquez has surpassed Pacquiao. He's always been the better fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
Mexico has always loved the Marquez brothers
Atlas is very well respected in Boxing. He doesn't have a reputation for lying nor has he ever had any issues with Pacquiao. So it makes no sense for him to make something like that up.Quote:
Originally Posted by KananKrus"Well-documented" only singularly and exclusively by Ted Atlas and him alone, whom to this day have not, cannot, and will not be able to support this failed allegation nor be able to submit proof to give credence to this "fallacy" of a claim and improve on its status to somewhat be better than a "manufactured lie" fabricated by a disgruntled individual whose sole intent is malicious in nature at best.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerYup... I don't know why people still have this illusion that the athletic commissions are stamping out cheating.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Mosley, Holyfield, Gamboa, ect never tested positive. It took the FBI busting the lab that provided them and finding their names on reciepts. When Margacheato tried to use loaded handwraps, who caught him and stopped him? The commission? No, Mosley's trainer. Who caught Resto after he did irreversible damage to his opponent with loaded gloves? The commission? No. It was Billy Collins' dad who felt Resto's glove after the fight. Lance Armstrong raced hundreds of times and never got caught, and he was the biggest steroid cheat in history.
When you consider that a lot of substances (EPO, HGH, ect) were not tested for for many years and big steroid distributers like BALCO knew all the ins and outs of drug testing and even developed a product that was untraceable by any test, things like that make it hard to believe in the lie that commissions do much to stop these guys.
It's been well documented that Manny's camp, when he was negotiating with Floyd the first time around, sent two emails to Floyd's camp: one asked what the penalty was if Manny tested positive and the second asked that, in the event of a positive test, that the results could be kept a secret for the integrity of boxing and the interest in the fight.
If you're one of these guys that thinks all his favorite fighters are clean because they're "good guys" and if they were cheating they'd be caught, keep living the dream lol
And if you're asking...Ted Atlas who?
The answer to that.. is him who attributes in one hand, each and every Mike Tyson's greatness to his influence and presence during the time when the young world champ was with him and Cus d'Amato, early times... and the other, him who in parallel to this claim maintain that the reason for Mike's decline vis-a-vis, is the consequence of his absence, when the ex champ banished him off the camp for various reasons none of which seemingly unjustified.
So the "well-documented" angle loses steam if you are a stickler for the truth or even, if you are just the ordinary average Joe who has a brain and, who is not out to look for "utter stupidity" in believing and hanging on each and every word emanating...coming out of a loose cannon and the likes of "Uncle Ted".
Tyson tried to fuck Atlas 12 year old cousin. It's the reason why they had problems. And it was Cus not Tyson who dismissed him from the camp
During a recent fight Al Bernstein was talking about Floyd's injections and how it is legal in Vegas. Damn, Paullie should have fought more in Vegas. Hey, it's legal so technically it's a non issue but I just don't think "the best ever" should be engaging in such a thing. Your the best, you shouldn't need to cut corners. He's always talking about how he didn't go for the knockout because he hurt this or that but he's a champ and he would never give up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
I agree with what someone else here said. I think Marquez will do whatever he can to avoid fading away right now. I don't think "let me cheat" is running through his mind now, I think his love of boxing, desire for legacy and drive to continue could have him dumping carp in his system. He looked absolutely phenomenal against against Alvarado, he looked younger than he did against Bradley. I know the level of competition was quite different but I do think JMM is juiced
Manny on the other hand absolutely not. Never was, never will. That is a fact which I base on my Pactardness
It's a toss, either Atlas made it up regarding the Tyson rape of his cousin or you yourself making it up... And in all likelihood, yes, to either and maybe creatively, for both.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseAtlas is very well respected in Boxing. He doesn't have a reputation for lying nor has he ever had any issues with Pacquiao. So it makes no sense for him to make something like that up.Quote:
Originally Posted by KananKrus"Well-documented" only singularly and exclusively by Ted Atlas and him alone, whom to this day have not, cannot, and will not be able to support this failed allegation nor be able to submit proof to give credence to this "fallacy" of a claim and improve on its status to somewhat be better than a "manufactured lie" fabricated by a disgruntled individual whose sole intent is malicious in nature at best.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerYup... I don't know why people still have this illusion that the athletic commissions are stamping out cheating.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Mosley, Holyfield, Gamboa, ect never tested positive. It took the FBI busting the lab that provided them and finding their names on reciepts. When Margacheato tried to use loaded handwraps, who caught him and stopped him? The commission? No, Mosley's trainer. Who caught Resto after he did irreversible damage to his opponent with loaded gloves? The commission? No. It was Billy Collins' dad who felt Resto's glove after the fight. Lance Armstrong raced hundreds of times and never got caught, and he was the biggest steroid cheat in history.
When you consider that a lot of substances (EPO, HGH, ect) were not tested for for many years and big steroid distributers like BALCO knew all the ins and outs of drug testing and even developed a product that was untraceable by any test, things like that make it hard to believe in the lie that commissions do much to stop these guys.
It's been well documented that Manny's camp, when he was negotiating with Floyd the first time around, sent two emails to Floyd's camp: one asked what the penalty was if Manny tested positive and the second asked that, in the event of a positive test, that the results could be kept a secret for the integrity of boxing and the interest in the fight.
If you're one of these guys that thinks all his favorite fighters are clean because they're "good guys" and if they were cheating they'd be caught, keep living the dream lol
And if you're asking...Ted Atlas who?
The answer to that.. is him who attributes in one hand, each and every Mike Tyson's greatness to his influence and presence during the time when the young world champ was with him and Cus d'Amato, early times... and the other, him who in parallel to this claim maintain that the reason for Mike's decline vis-a-vis, is the consequence of his absence, when the ex champ banished him off the camp for various reasons none of which seemingly unjustified.
So the "well-documented" angle loses steam if you are a stickler for the truth or even, if you are just the ordinary average Joe who has a brain and, who is not out to look for "utter stupidity" in believing and hanging on each and every word emanating...coming out of a loose cannon and the likes of "Uncle Ted".
Tyson tried to fuck Atlas 12 year old cousin. It's the reason why they had problems. And it was Cus not Tyson who dismissed him from the camp
You and your idol "Ted" have such peculiar regard for truth that places you both with the unique perspective to win all arguments, provided that the basis of reality has bare minimum, maybe minuscule, to no demand at all to influence veracity to these same arguments.
:lolhaha: Surpass Pacquiao? :lolhaha: Nobody knows Marquez aside from Mexicans. Pacquiao is a household name in America and Philippines. Everybody knows Marquez is on PED. Only Mexicans refuse to accept the mofo is a desperate cheat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseMarquez is not using and never has. Pacquiao isn't currently using. But even Stevie Wonder could see he used before
Marquez has surpassed Pacquiao. He's always been the better fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
Mexico has always loved the Marquez brothers
Tyson himself said he grabbed her ass and wanted to fuck her. But you can still claim me and the "homie" Teddy made it up if you want. Fuck it. Why not?Quote:
Originally Posted by KananKrus
Popularity. Is that really what you been reduced too? Seriously? Pacquiao is more popular than Marquez. Good for him. Marquez don't give a fuck about that. He's already got what he wanted. Recognition as the better fighter. Cuz that's what he is. Everybody, including half the Phillipines knows that. Only a few misguided fools think otherwise. Deep inside you, yourself knows it. It eats at you and keeps you awake at night. It's the reason you're trying so hard to associate the Marquez name to PEDS. Like the Pacquiao is associated with it. It's a sad and pathetic attempt. But keep on it. it is somewhat amusing seeing a Pac groupie try to claim any fighter is on PEDSQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain:lolhaha: Surpass Pacquiao? :lolhaha: Nobody knows Marquez aside from Mexicans. Pacquiao is a household name in America and Philippines. Everybody knows Marquez is on PED. Only Mexicans refuse to accept the mofo is a desperate cheat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseMarquez is not using and never has. Pacquiao isn't currently using. But even Stevie Wonder could see he used before
Marquez has surpassed Pacquiao. He's always been the better fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
Mexico has always loved the Marquez brothers
I know in your mind you clearly believe JMM is better, thats fine with me for you to think that. I disagree though. Pac got caught in the last fight where he was winning and was on the verge of stopping JMM. Your boy is lucky to have pull that punch out of his ass if not he would be irrelevent now. And as for Pac who was the one that gktfo is still relevent. Funny how JMM is better but everybody still wanna see Pac more. Think about it ;) JMM is a try hard, but Pac will go out the greater fighter. Plus your boy aint a real mexican cause he don't want none of Pac again. I thought yall don't turn down challenges? I was wrong :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseTyson himself said he grabbed her ass and wanted to fuck her. But you can still claim me and the "homie" Teddy made it up if you want. Fuck it. Why not?Quote:
Originally Posted by KananKrus
Popularity. Is that really what you been reduced too? Seriously? Pacquiao is more popular than Marquez. Good for him. Marquez don't give a fuck about that. He's already got what he wanted. Recognition as the better fighter. Cuz that's what he is. Everybody, including half the Phillipines knows that. Only a few misguided fools think otherwise. Deep inside you, yourself knows it. It eats at you and keeps you awake at night. It's the reason you're trying so hard to associate the Marquez name to PEDS. Like the Pacquiao is associated with it. It's a sad and pathetic attempt. But keep on it. it is somewhat amusing seeing a Pac groupie try to claim any fighter is on PEDSQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain:lolhaha: Surpass Pacquiao? :lolhaha: Nobody knows Marquez aside from Mexicans. Pacquiao is a household name in America and Philippines. Everybody knows Marquez is on PED. Only Mexicans refuse to accept the mofo is a desperate cheat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseMarquez is not using and never has. Pacquiao isn't currently using. But even Stevie Wonder could see he used before
Marquez has surpassed Pacquiao. He's always been the better fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
Mexico has always loved the Marquez brothers
Just cuz he took some punches he was on the verge of getting stopped? :lolhaha: Get the fuck on with that nonsense. Marquez was in no danger of being stopped. The man has never been stopped before in his carreer and now you're telling a juice free Pac was close to doing it? :lolhaha: He couldn't do it juiced up. He wasn't going to do it juice-less. Didn't the previous 36 rounds teach you anything? Pac can drop and hurt Marquez. That's it. Marquez just gets up and goes back to work. Pac is incapable of stopping him. But Marquez sure can stop him. Gave that boy the best sleep of his life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainI know in your mind you clearly believe JMM is better, thats fine with me for you to think that. I disagree though. Pac got caught in the last fight where he was winning and was on the verge of stopping JMM. Your boy is lucky to have pull that punch out of his ass if not he would be irrelevent now. And as for Pac who was the one that gktfo is still relevent. Funny how JMM is better but everybody still wanna see Pac more. Think about it ;) JMM is a try hard, but Pac will go out the greater fighter. Plus your boy aint a real mexican cause he don't want none of Pac again. I thought yall don't turn down challenges? I was wrong :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseTyson himself said he grabbed her ass and wanted to fuck her. But you can still claim me and the "homie" Teddy made it up if you want. Fuck it. Why not?Quote:
Originally Posted by KananKrus
Popularity. Is that really what you been reduced too? Seriously? Pacquiao is more popular than Marquez. Good for him. Marquez don't give a fuck about that. He's already got what he wanted. Recognition as the better fighter. Cuz that's what he is. Everybody, including half the Phillipines knows that. Only a few misguided fools think otherwise. Deep inside you, yourself knows it. It eats at you and keeps you awake at night. It's the reason you're trying so hard to associate the Marquez name to PEDS. Like the Pacquiao is associated with it. It's a sad and pathetic attempt. But keep on it. it is somewhat amusing seeing a Pac groupie try to claim any fighter is on PEDSQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain:lolhaha: Surpass Pacquiao? :lolhaha: Nobody knows Marquez aside from Mexicans. Pacquiao is a household name in America and Philippines. Everybody knows Marquez is on PED. Only Mexicans refuse to accept the mofo is a desperate cheat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseMarquez is not using and never has. Pacquiao isn't currently using. But even Stevie Wonder could see he used before
Marquez has surpassed Pacquiao. He's always been the better fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
Mexico has always loved the Marquez brothers
I can tell by the way his PPV numbers have been dropping that people are really dying to see Pac.
I'm sure the 5th fight will happen. Marquez just reminding Pac of his old days by making him beg.
Funny how all of a sudden JMM was able to drop and knockout Pac in the fourth fight when he never was able to in the past 3 fights. JMM got so desperate he hired a known cheat. Even your fellow Mexican Morales made a comment about how JMM is a cheat. Explain that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseJust cuz he took some punches he was on the verge of getting stopped? :lolhaha: Get the fuck on with that nonsense. Marquez was in no danger of being stopped. The man has never been stopped before in his carreer and now you're telling a juice free Pac was close to doing it? :lolhaha: He couldn't do it juiced up. He wasn't going to do it juice-less. Didn't the previous 36 rounds teach you anything? Pac can drop and hurt Marquez. That's it. Marquez just gets up and goes back to work. Pac is incapable of stopping him. But Marquez sure can stop him. Gave that boy the best sleep of his life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainI know in your mind you clearly believe JMM is better, thats fine with me for you to think that. I disagree though. Pac got caught in the last fight where he was winning and was on the verge of stopping JMM. Your boy is lucky to have pull that punch out of his ass if not he would be irrelevent now. And as for Pac who was the one that gktfo is still relevent. Funny how JMM is better but everybody still wanna see Pac more. Think about it ;) JMM is a try hard, but Pac will go out the greater fighter. Plus your boy aint a real mexican cause he don't want none of Pac again. I thought yall don't turn down challenges? I was wrong :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseTyson himself said he grabbed her ass and wanted to fuck her. But you can still claim me and the "homie" Teddy made it up if you want. Fuck it. Why not?Quote:
Originally Posted by KananKrus
Popularity. Is that really what you been reduced too? Seriously? Pacquiao is more popular than Marquez. Good for him. Marquez don't give a fuck about that. He's already got what he wanted. Recognition as the better fighter. Cuz that's what he is. Everybody, including half the Phillipines knows that. Only a few misguided fools think otherwise. Deep inside you, yourself knows it. It eats at you and keeps you awake at night. It's the reason you're trying so hard to associate the Marquez name to PEDS. Like the Pacquiao is associated with it. It's a sad and pathetic attempt. But keep on it. it is somewhat amusing seeing a Pac groupie try to claim any fighter is on PEDSQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain:lolhaha: Surpass Pacquiao? :lolhaha: Nobody knows Marquez aside from Mexicans. Pacquiao is a household name in America and Philippines. Everybody knows Marquez is on PED. Only Mexicans refuse to accept the mofo is a desperate cheat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseMarquez is not using and never has. Pacquiao isn't currently using. But even Stevie Wonder could see he used before
Marquez has surpassed Pacquiao. He's always been the better fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
Mexico has always loved the Marquez brothers
I can tell by the way his PPV numbers have been dropping that people are really dying to see Pac.
I'm sure the 5th fight will happen. Marquez just reminding Pac of his old days by making him beg.
Pacs ppv number for a none American is still outstanding. For you to think 800,000 ppv buys for Pac is bad really tells me how great you think pac really is. Your standard for him must be 1m ppv buys? Whats your standard for Marquez ppv buys? Oh wait he's last fight was free on HBO :lolhaha: can't even compare.
Begging is what JMM does, the man is a clear cheat and beg and beg for rematches that he eventually got. Now its his turn to be a man and give one but he scared cause he know he got lucky.
Morales don't like anybody. But if you wanna go by his comments, he believes Pac used and wonders why his head has grown so much since when they first fought.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainFunny how all of a sudden JMM was able to drop and knockout Pac in the fourth fight when he never was able to in the past 3 fights. JMM got so desperate he hired a known cheat. Even your fellow Mexican Morales made a comment about how JMM is a cheat. Explain that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseJust cuz he took some punches he was on the verge of getting stopped? :lolhaha: Get the fuck on with that nonsense. Marquez was in no danger of being stopped. The man has never been stopped before in his carreer and now you're telling a juice free Pac was close to doing it? :lolhaha: He couldn't do it juiced up. He wasn't going to do it juice-less. Didn't the previous 36 rounds teach you anything? Pac can drop and hurt Marquez. That's it. Marquez just gets up and goes back to work. Pac is incapable of stopping him. But Marquez sure can stop him. Gave that boy the best sleep of his life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainI know in your mind you clearly believe JMM is better, thats fine with me for you to think that. I disagree though. Pac got caught in the last fight where he was winning and was on the verge of stopping JMM. Your boy is lucky to have pull that punch out of his ass if not he would be irrelevent now. And as for Pac who was the one that gktfo is still relevent. Funny how JMM is better but everybody still wanna see Pac more. Think about it ;) JMM is a try hard, but Pac will go out the greater fighter. Plus your boy aint a real mexican cause he don't want none of Pac again. I thought yall don't turn down challenges? I was wrong :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseTyson himself said he grabbed her ass and wanted to fuck her. But you can still claim me and the "homie" Teddy made it up if you want. Fuck it. Why not?Quote:
Originally Posted by KananKrus
Popularity. Is that really what you been reduced too? Seriously? Pacquiao is more popular than Marquez. Good for him. Marquez don't give a fuck about that. He's already got what he wanted. Recognition as the better fighter. Cuz that's what he is. Everybody, including half the Phillipines knows that. Only a few misguided fools think otherwise. Deep inside you, yourself knows it. It eats at you and keeps you awake at night. It's the reason you're trying so hard to associate the Marquez name to PEDS. Like the Pacquiao is associated with it. It's a sad and pathetic attempt. But keep on it. it is somewhat amusing seeing a Pac groupie try to claim any fighter is on PEDSQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain:lolhaha: Surpass Pacquiao? :lolhaha: Nobody knows Marquez aside from Mexicans. Pacquiao is a household name in America and Philippines. Everybody knows Marquez is on PED. Only Mexicans refuse to accept the mofo is a desperate cheat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseMarquez is not using and never has. Pacquiao isn't currently using. But even Stevie Wonder could see he used before
Marquez has surpassed Pacquiao. He's always been the better fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
Mexico has always loved the Marquez brothers
I can tell by the way his PPV numbers have been dropping that people are really dying to see Pac.
I'm sure the 5th fight will happen. Marquez just reminding Pac of his old days by making him beg.
Pacs ppv number for a none American is still outstanding. For you to think 800,000 ppv buys for Pac is bad really tells me how great you think pac really is. Your standard for him must be 1m ppv buys? Whats your standard for Marquez ppv buys? Oh wait he's last fight was free on HBO :lolhaha: can't even compare.
Begging is what JMM does, the man is a clear cheat and beg and beg for rematches that he eventually got. Now its his turn to be a man and give one but he scared cause he know he got lucky.
Marquez started his career at Featherweight. And has fought as high as welterweight. That's a jump of 5 divisions. Pac junkie ass started as a Flyweight. And has fought as high as Junior Middleweight. That's a jump of 10 fucking divisions. I'm a give you some credit and believe that you don't think that's actually normal
So using your words there should not even be a talk of a 5th fight because it makes Pacquiao an even larger than life beggar . Then lets' not leave out the fact their last fight ended with no controversy. If a 5th fight takes place then it is JMM that should be making the demands in purse and location. Where in life does one get his ass kicked and then say I want a rematch and you have to make less money and fight in my backyard. So unless JMM has the right to finally dictate like Pac in the previous fights JMM has every reason to be content playing back video footage in family room on how he KTFO out of Pac insanely ridiculously for the rest of his life and Pac can replay the beating in his mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainFunny how all of a sudden JMM was able to drop and knockout Pac in the fourth fight when he never was able to in the past 3 fights. JMM got so desperate he hired a known cheat. Even your fellow Mexican Morales made a comment about how JMM is a cheat. Explain that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseJust cuz he took some punches he was on the verge of getting stopped? :lolhaha: Get the fuck on with that nonsense. Marquez was in no danger of being stopped. The man has never been stopped before in his carreer and now you're telling a juice free Pac was close to doing it? :lolhaha: He couldn't do it juiced up. He wasn't going to do it juice-less. Didn't the previous 36 rounds teach you anything? Pac can drop and hurt Marquez. That's it. Marquez just gets up and goes back to work. Pac is incapable of stopping him. But Marquez sure can stop him. Gave that boy the best sleep of his life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainI know in your mind you clearly believe JMM is better, thats fine with me for you to think that. I disagree though. Pac got caught in the last fight where he was winning and was on the verge of stopping JMM. Your boy is lucky to have pull that punch out of his ass if not he would be irrelevent now. And as for Pac who was the one that gktfo is still relevent. Funny how JMM is better but everybody still wanna see Pac more. Think about it ;) JMM is a try hard, but Pac will go out the greater fighter. Plus your boy aint a real mexican cause he don't want none of Pac again. I thought yall don't turn down challenges? I was wrong :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseTyson himself said he grabbed her ass and wanted to fuck her. But you can still claim me and the "homie" Teddy made it up if you want. Fuck it. Why not?Quote:
Originally Posted by KananKrus
Popularity. Is that really what you been reduced too? Seriously? Pacquiao is more popular than Marquez. Good for him. Marquez don't give a fuck about that. He's already got what he wanted. Recognition as the better fighter. Cuz that's what he is. Everybody, including half the Phillipines knows that. Only a few misguided fools think otherwise. Deep inside you, yourself knows it. It eats at you and keeps you awake at night. It's the reason you're trying so hard to associate the Marquez name to PEDS. Like the Pacquiao is associated with it. It's a sad and pathetic attempt. But keep on it. it is somewhat amusing seeing a Pac groupie try to claim any fighter is on PEDSQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain:lolhaha: Surpass Pacquiao? :lolhaha: Nobody knows Marquez aside from Mexicans. Pacquiao is a household name in America and Philippines. Everybody knows Marquez is on PED. Only Mexicans refuse to accept the mofo is a desperate cheat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseMarquez is not using and never has. Pacquiao isn't currently using. But even Stevie Wonder could see he used before
Marquez has surpassed Pacquiao. He's always been the better fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
Mexico has always loved the Marquez brothers
I can tell by the way his PPV numbers have been dropping that people are really dying to see Pac.
I'm sure the 5th fight will happen. Marquez just reminding Pac of his old days by making him beg.
Pacs ppv number for a none American is still outstanding. For you to think 800,000 ppv buys for Pac is bad really tells me how great you think pac really is. Your standard for him must be 1m ppv buys? Whats your standard for Marquez ppv buys? Oh wait he's last fight was free on HBO :lolhaha: can't even compare.
Begging is what JMM does, the man is a clear cheat and beg and beg for rematches that he eventually got. Now its his turn to be a man and give one but he scared cause he know he got lucky.
No one has to know JMM as he comes from a country rich with athletic traditions in soccer, baseball , tae kwon do, golf, diving, and boxing champions . He is not a sole marketed laboratory rat I mean Bakla Pinoy champion. Pac is the "ONLY" athlete from the pathetic athletic Philippines . Unless you you count female hosting as a sport!
Real Mexican does not equate to real stupid and submissive that's Pac position. Pac has dictated the terms in the previous four controversial wins and draw. Now in the only clear cut win by either you are telling me JMM should pass over all those terms and concede all the advantages to Pac because he has a larger nut hugging following or he is not Mexican?Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainI know in your mind you clearly believe JMM is better, thats fine with me for you to think that. I disagree though. Pac got caught in the last fight where he was winning and was on the verge of stopping JMM. Your boy is lucky to have pull that punch out of his ass if not he would be irrelevent now. And as for Pac who was the one that gktfo is still relevent. Funny how JMM is better but everybody still wanna see Pac more. Think about it ;) JMM is a try hard, but Pac will go out the greater fighter. Plus your boy aint a real mexican cause he don't want none of Pac again. I thought yall don't turn down challenges? I was wrong :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseTyson himself said he grabbed her ass and wanted to fuck her. But you can still claim me and the "homie" Teddy made it up if you want. Fuck it. Why not?Quote:
Originally Posted by KananKrus
Popularity. Is that really what you been reduced too? Seriously? Pacquiao is more popular than Marquez. Good for him. Marquez don't give a fuck about that. He's already got what he wanted. Recognition as the better fighter. Cuz that's what he is. Everybody, including half the Phillipines knows that. Only a few misguided fools think otherwise. Deep inside you, yourself knows it. It eats at you and keeps you awake at night. It's the reason you're trying so hard to associate the Marquez name to PEDS. Like the Pacquiao is associated with it. It's a sad and pathetic attempt. But keep on it. it is somewhat amusing seeing a Pac groupie try to claim any fighter is on PEDSQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain:lolhaha: Surpass Pacquiao? :lolhaha: Nobody knows Marquez aside from Mexicans. Pacquiao is a household name in America and Philippines. Everybody knows Marquez is on PED. Only Mexicans refuse to accept the mofo is a desperate cheat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseMarquez is not using and never has. Pacquiao isn't currently using. But even Stevie Wonder could see he used before
Marquez has surpassed Pacquiao. He's always been the better fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
Mexico has always loved the Marquez brothers
I think what you are asking is that he act Filipino and let the white man control his stupid ass like Pac.
He wants Marquez to do what he does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxing
"Yes, Mr. Arum. You can take 70% of my purse."
I'm not arguing with you mofos, waste of time. No convincing you mofos! And why the fuck does this fuck clown addicted to cocks keep trying me. I already know what you gonna say, same shit, typical mofo!
I think Froch is using peds. Maybe Mayweather too. How about Bhop. What about the Klits. Boring load of bulls*it. Not interested until there found guilty of this speculative crap. All I care about is why the top fighters don't fight each other. That's the biggest problem with boxing today. Not guessing whos doin drugs etc, with no evidence to back it up.
It most really suck that your hero. Your idol. The Philippines favorite son Manny Pacquiao is nothing Bob Arum's slave.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
Pac is one wealthy slave then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseIt most really suck that your hero. Your idol. The Philippines favorite son Manny Pacquiao is nothing Bob Arum's slave.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
But his master is much wealthier. And he does none of the workQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainPac is one wealthy slave then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseIt most really suck that your hero. Your idol. The Philippines favorite son Manny Pacquiao is nothing Bob Arum's slave.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
Go look up the word slave. I don't think you know what it means. :lolhaha:Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseBut his master is much wealthier. And he does none of the workQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainPac is one wealthy slave then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseIt most really suck that your hero. Your idol. The Philippines favorite son Manny Pacquiao is nothing Bob Arum's slave.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
slave noun \ˈslāv\Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainGo look up the word slave. I don't think you know what it means. :lolhaha:Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseBut his master is much wealthier. And he does none of the workQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainPac is one wealthy slave then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseIt most really suck that your hero. Your idol. The Philippines favorite son Manny Pacquiao is nothing Bob Arum's slave.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
: someone who is legally owned by another person and is forced to work for that person
: a person who is strongly influenced and controlled by something
That's 100% Manny Pacquiao right there.
Good job for looking that up. Now you know what it means. However, there is one important part of the definition thats missingQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demiseslave noun \ˈslāv\Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainGo look up the word slave. I don't think you know what it means. :lolhaha:Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseBut his master is much wealthier. And he does none of the workQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainPac is one wealthy slave then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseIt most really suck that your hero. Your idol. The Philippines favorite son Manny Pacquiao is nothing Bob Arum's slave.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
: someone who is legally owned by another person and is forced to work for that person
: a person who is strongly influenced and controlled by something
That's 100% Manny Pacquiao right there.
. Slaves don't get paid. Pac has many cars and houses. Not a slave ;)
He doesn't get paid. He's just kept. Like a good whore. Bob Arum gives him things. Never once said Pacquiao wasn't a good slave. Cuz he is. He's an outstanding slave. So course Arum gonna look out for his loyal slave and at times lets him keep some money. But he gets the lions share. If Pacquiao purse is 20 million. Pac gets about 4 million of that. Disagree if you want. Not like matters. But facts don't lie. With all the giant purses Pac has had there is no way in hell he should be having any IRS problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainGood job for looking that up. Now you know what it means. However, there is one important part of the definition thats missingQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demiseslave noun \ˈslāv\Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainGo look up the word slave. I don't think you know what it means. :lolhaha:Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseBut his master is much wealthier. And he does none of the workQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainPac is one wealthy slave then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseIt most really suck that your hero. Your idol. The Philippines favorite son Manny Pacquiao is nothing Bob Arum's slave.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
: someone who is legally owned by another person and is forced to work for that person
: a person who is strongly influenced and controlled by something
That's 100% Manny Pacquiao right there.
. Slaves don't get paid. Pac has many cars and houses. Not a slave ;)
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Originally Posted by Violent DemiseHe doesn't get paid. He's just kept. Like a good whore. Bob Arum gives him things. Never once said Pacquiao wasn't a good slave. Cuz he is. He's an outstanding slave. So course Arum gonna look out for his loyal slave and at times lets him keep some money. But he gets the lions share. If Pacquiao purse is 20 million. Pac gets about 4 million of that. Disagree if you want. Not like matters. But facts don't lie. With all the giant purses Pac has had there is no way in hell he should be having any IRS problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainGood job for looking that up. Now you know what it means. However, there is one important part of the definition thats missingQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demiseslave noun \ˈslāv\Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainGo look up the word slave. I don't think you know what it means. :lolhaha:Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseBut his master is much wealthier. And he does none of the workQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainPac is one wealthy slave then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseIt most really suck that your hero. Your idol. The Philippines favorite son Manny Pacquiao is nothing Bob Arum's slave.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
: someone who is legally owned by another person and is forced to work for that person
: a person who is strongly influenced and controlled by something
That's 100% Manny Pacquiao right there.
. Slaves don't get paid. Pac has many cars and houses. Not a slave ;)
So do you get paid to nut hug Pac til death due you apart or are you a nut hugging Cock sucking Pac Phallus Dickhead slave?
I'm pleasantly surprised you haven't been banned here yet, great going, kudos to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxingQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseHe doesn't get paid. He's just kept. Like a good whore. Bob Arum gives him things. Never once said Pacquiao wasn't a good slave. Cuz he is. He's an outstanding slave. So course Arum gonna look out for his loyal slave and at times lets him keep some money. But he gets the lions share. If Pacquiao purse is 20 million. Pac gets about 4 million of that. Disagree if you want. Not like matters. But facts don't lie. With all the giant purses Pac has had there is no way in hell he should be having any IRS problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainGood job for looking that up. Now you know what it means. However, there is one important part of the definition thats missingQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demiseslave noun \ˈslāv\Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainGo look up the word slave. I don't think you know what it means. :lolhaha:Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseBut his master is much wealthier. And he does none of the workQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainPac is one wealthy slave then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseIt most really suck that your hero. Your idol. The Philippines favorite son Manny Pacquiao is nothing Bob Arum's slave.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
: someone who is legally owned by another person and is forced to work for that person
: a person who is strongly influenced and controlled by something
That's 100% Manny Pacquiao right there.
. Slaves don't get paid. Pac has many cars and houses. Not a slave ;)
So do you get paid to nut hug Pac til death due you apart or are you a nut hugging Cock sucking Pac Phallus Dickhead slave?
Everyone knows the world needs to have the Rodman's, the Lady Gaga's, Alice Cooper, Boy George and the Mayweathers to spice things up... and at Saddo's, with your language, you do, and on the side, it makes everyone's conversations here... seem saintly.
Can't believe I'm going back on fort with you about this slave crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseHe doesn't get paid. He's just kept. Like a good whore. Bob Arum gives him things. Never once said Pacquiao wasn't a good slave. Cuz he is. He's an outstanding slave. So course Arum gonna look out for his loyal slave and at times lets him keep some money. But he gets the lions share. If Pacquiao purse is 20 million. Pac gets about 4 million of that. Disagree if you want. Not like matters. But facts don't lie. With all the giant purses Pac has had there is no way in hell he should be having any IRS problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainGood job for looking that up. Now you know what it means. However, there is one important part of the definition thats missingQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demiseslave noun \ˈslāv\Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainGo look up the word slave. I don't think you know what it means. :lolhaha:Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseBut his master is much wealthier. And he does none of the workQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainPac is one wealthy slave then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseIt most really suck that your hero. Your idol. The Philippines favorite son Manny Pacquiao is nothing Bob Arum's slave.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
: someone who is legally owned by another person and is forced to work for that person
: a person who is strongly influenced and controlled by something
That's 100% Manny Pacquiao right there.
. Slaves don't get paid. Pac has many cars and houses. Not a slave ;)
Pacs IRS issue is legit though but many of them eventually run into this shit. I don't see it as a big obstacle like many would like to view it. I've had IRS issues myself in the past but nothing in the scale of Pacquiao or Mayweather but from experience as long as you work with the IRS and not run away from them. They are not hard to deal with.
I doubt VD gets paid to do any of that. Knowing him, he would do it for free. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Addicted to_boxingQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseHe doesn't get paid. He's just kept. Like a good whore. Bob Arum gives him things. Never once said Pacquiao wasn't a good slave. Cuz he is. He's an outstanding slave. So course Arum gonna look out for his loyal slave and at times lets him keep some money. But he gets the lions share. If Pacquiao purse is 20 million. Pac gets about 4 million of that. Disagree if you want. Not like matters. But facts don't lie. With all the giant purses Pac has had there is no way in hell he should be having any IRS problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainGood job for looking that up. Now you know what it means. However, there is one important part of the definition thats missingQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demiseslave noun \ˈslāv\Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainGo look up the word slave. I don't think you know what it means. :lolhaha:Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseBut his master is much wealthier. And he does none of the workQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainPac is one wealthy slave then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseIt most really suck that your hero. Your idol. The Philippines favorite son Manny Pacquiao is nothing Bob Arum's slave.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rain
: someone who is legally owned by another person and is forced to work for that person
: a person who is strongly influenced and controlled by something
That's 100% Manny Pacquiao right there.
. Slaves don't get paid. Pac has many cars and houses. Not a slave ;)
So do you get paid to nut hug Pac til death due you apart or are you a nut hugging Cock sucking Pac Phallus Dickhead slave?