UK - Council and European Election

Did you vote in either ?

Do you give a monkeys about either ?

What are your thoughts on the early indicators and results on how people have voted ?

Are UKUNT UKIP divisive and hypocritical racist cunts or a breath of fresh air ?

Do you not think it ironic that UKIP, BNP, English Democrats, An Independence From Europe Party, Noto Eu, Britain First, etc all fielded candidates to stand for election into a European Parliament that they do not believe in or want any part of ? A friend on FaceFook earlier in the week compared it to Dennis the Menace and Gnasher standing for election as School Governors ;D


Did you change who usually vote for after being a staunch labour/Conservative/liberal party etc supporter for years? If so why?

I voted Labour in the local elections and Green in the European ones.

I want the Tories out.

I have to vote, too many people have died for me to waste it.

I voted Trade Unionists and Socialists Against Cuts in the local council elections and Green Party in the European elections. The Greens are the only party to have the bottle to suggest renationalising things and thinking outside of the box. The huge swathing cuts that the Tories have implemented have consistently hurt the poorest in society and the Greens would re- address that as well as sorting out the failed transport infrastructure. Would have voted Green locally but there was not a candidate standing.

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I voted Trade Unionists and Socialists Against Cuts in the local council elections and Green Party in the European elections. The Greens are the only party to have the bottle to suggest renationalising things and thinking outside of the box. The huge swathing cuts that the Tories have implemented have consistently hurt the poorest in society and the Greens would re- address that as well as sorting out the failed transport infrastructure. Would have voted Green locally but there was not a candidate standing.

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The cuts are bad and are hurting the poorest in society, we need more social housing and jobs with
a living wage,it's a joke people are cold and hunger in this Country we started the industrial revaluation.
Great Britain at one time now just a Bankers paradise, a sad state the few have millions and the many
have fuck all.

I started voting Green party when Blair went to Iraq. I have to vote labour for local and general elections because I hate the Tories to get in.

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I started voting Green party when Blair went to Iraq. I have to vote labour for local and general elections because I hate the Tories to get in.

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I've never voted as never yet seen a politician I trust

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I started voting Green party when Blair went to Iraq. I have to vote labour for local and general elections because I hate the Tories to get in.

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I've never voted as never yet seen a politician I trust

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Mark I think politicians start out with morels, then power corrupts Yes there is no trust Politics
is a dirty business.:(

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I started voting Green party when Blair went to Iraq. I have to vote labour for local and general elections because I hate the Tories to get in.

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I've never voted as never yet seen a politician I trust

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What are you doing to learn to trust a mp? It sounds a covenant excuse not to vote because you are being lazy.

Master I feel people don't trust politicians, what do people do when they don't think theses people
don't deserve there vote,! simple they vote for no one action speaks, louder than words many
false promises the voters here Frankly people have had enough.
This Country is turning into the land of super markets, because that's all that seems to be built
very few houses, and of course very few well paid jobs.
The recession has hit US ALL, Tory's just make cuts weather we are in recession or not that's the
nature of the beast.
We must remember the people who make decisions, are well healed millionaires out of touch
with you and me. I would love to see theses shit houses live on £56 a week, poverty is rife
food banks in a modern world it's a fucking disgrace.:mad:

Then you have to vote to get change otherwise you can not moan if you do not vote.

Is the whole Europe voting tomorrow? we doing it as well. I can't be bother voting cus shit will not change anyway. They say one thing and turn out another,

Our elections were on Thursday.

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Our elections were on Thursday.

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Our ends tomorrow i think we had this week to finish voting.

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Then you have to vote to get change otherwise you can not moan if you do not vote.

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Yes I agree but you can see why people will not vote, people fought to have a vote and people seem
to forget that. Yes mate people should vote.

I don't vote domestically at all anymore as just as I lay no claims on the state, I also expect them to have no claims on me. I can register as an overseas voter, but I see no point in making such an effort. I also understand the views of those who say their vote makes no difference. UKIP is suggesting that at least there is another party on the horizon, but in truth, asides from immigration, I don't really have very much in common with UKIP. In a way UKIP's rise might be the shake up that's needed as all three of the other parties should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves, particularly in the way they have allowed unchecked immigration, student debt to rise exponentially, an allegiance to the most corrupt banking in the world, another housing bubble, a police state (with no explanation), fracking and continued privatisation (including now the NHS). It's hardly even voting for the lesser of evils looking at such policies. It's a mess and maybe the ballot box isn't the way to go anymore. I think the recent slander of Farage by the main parties and the media has been atrocious too and it has actually made me think more favourably of him too. He is up against pure scum who would much rather throw mud pies than sort themselves out in the interests of their people. It has never been more clear just how warped the British establishment is.

Eton schoolboy pieces of trash all cloned in the same schoolyard factory. People probably want someone genuine who won't be bought by the banks or US dictators.

Seems many people are sick of labour / conservatives which is reflected in the voting I think.
My local council Hulton is one of the areas in the north Bolton area that UKIP got in as council officials.

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I don't vote domestically at all anymore as just as I lay no claims on the state, I also expect them to have no claims on me. I can register as an overseas voter, but I see no point in making such an effort. I also understand the views of those who say their vote makes no difference. UKIP is suggesting that at least there is another party on the horizon, but in truth, asides from immigration, I don't really have very much in common with UKIP. In a way UKIP's rise might be the shake up that's needed as all three of the other parties should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves, particularly in the way they have allowed unchecked immigration, student debt to rise exponentially, an allegiance to the most corrupt banking in the world, another housing bubble, a police state (with no explanation), fracking and continued privatisation (including now the NHS). It's hardly even voting for the lesser of evils looking at such policies. It's a mess and maybe the ballot box isn't the way to go anymore. I think the recent slander of Farage by the main parties and the media has been atrocious too and it has actually made me think more favourably of him too. He is up against pure scum who would much rather throw mud pies than sort themselves out in the interests of their people. It has never been more clear just how warped the British establishment is.

Eton schoolboy pieces of trash all cloned in the same schoolyard factory. People probably want someone genuine who won't be bought by the banks or US dictators.

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I think for many people, yourself included, it's just easier to be cynical and shrug their shoulders and think what difference does it make than to really investigate the alternatives and actually bother trying to engender change. Whilst the BBC and others have probably unwittingly given UKIP huge publicity and shot themselves in the foot by throwing mud at them, you can not for one minute pretend that UKIP have not asked for it. You are talking about the most mainstream of parties, capitalising on disillusioned Right wing Tory voters getting elected on the basis of a campaign based on lies and racist diatribes. There is an alternative and that is why locally I supported the TUSC as a true socialist party standing up for the working man and against cuts and in Europe the Green party who believe in keeping the NHS public,paying workers a living wage,defending public services,creating sustainable jobs, protecting pensions and ending fuel poverty,Nationalising rail and Energy companies,abolishing tuition fees and increasing HE and Science funding.

These are things I thought you believed in ? If you are not prepared to put your money where your mouth is maybe you should stop moaning about it. Instead you are more worried about the slander of the toff Farage who hypocritically draws his wage in a European Parliament he supposedly does not agree with, never turning up to meetings to defend the UK , and all the while ignore the slander of 29 Million Romanians and Bulgarians by the dick whose smug bullshit has managed to hoodwink even you, an educated man.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4fQDAyl4GU

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I don't vote domestically at all anymore as just as I lay no claims on the state, I also expect them to have no claims on me. I can register as an overseas voter, but I see no point in making such an effort. I also understand the views of those who say their vote makes no difference. UKIP is suggesting that at least there is another party on the horizon, but in truth, asides from immigration, I don't really have very much in common with UKIP. In a way UKIP's rise might be the shake up that's needed as all three of the other parties should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves, particularly in the way they have allowed unchecked immigration, student debt to rise exponentially, an allegiance to the most corrupt banking in the world, another housing bubble, a police state (with no explanation), fracking and continued privatisation (including now the NHS). It's hardly even voting for the lesser of evils looking at such policies. It's a mess and maybe the ballot box isn't the way to go anymore. I think the recent slander of Farage by the main parties and the media has been atrocious too and it has actually made me think more favourably of him too. He is up against pure scum who would much rather throw mud pies than sort themselves out in the interests of their people. It has never been more clear just how warped the British establishment is.

Eton schoolboy pieces of trash all cloned in the same schoolyard factory. People probably want someone genuine who won't be bought by the banks or US dictators.

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I think for many people, yourself included, it's just easier to be cynical and shrug their shoulders and think what difference does it make than to really investigate the alternatives and actually bother trying to engender change. Whilst the BBC and others have probably unwittingly given UKIP huge publicity and shot themselves in the foot by throwing mud at them, you can not for one minute pretend that UKIP have not asked for it. You are talking about the most mainstream of parties, capitalising on disillusioned Right wing Tory voters getting elected on the basis of a campaign based on lies and racist diatribes. There is an alternative and that is why locally I supported the TUSC as a true socialist party standing up for the working man and against cuts and in Europe the Green party who believe in keeping the NHS public,paying workers a living wage,defending public services,creating sustainable jobs, protecting pensions and ending fuel poverty,Nationalising rail and Energy companies,abolishing tuition fees and increasing HE and Science funding.

These are things I thought you believed in ? If you are not prepared to put your money where your mouth is maybe you should stop moaning about it. Instead you are more worried about the slander of the toff Farage who hypocritically draws his wage in a European Parliament he supposedly does not agree with, never turning up to meetings to defend the UK , and all the while ignore the slander of 29 Million Romanians and Bulgarians by the dick whose smug bullshit has managed to hoodwink even you, an educated man.

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Im puzzled why you think every body in the UK cares at all about Romanians and Bulgarians etc.
You may care which is fine , however personally I don't care , nor do I want them living anywhere near me , that is my opinion. We are both entitled to it.
Also UKIP haven't hoodwinked me , its more both labour and Conservatives are doing nothing but giving away our country . Im hoping it kicks the government up the arse and they actually listen to peoples views from now on.

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I started voting Green party when Blair went to Iraq. I have to vote labour for local and general elections because I hate the Tories to get in.

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I've never voted as never yet seen a politician I trust

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What are you doing to learn to trust a mp? It sounds a covenant excuse not to vote because you are being lazy.

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I know a couple of former MPs (one 20+ years) very well. Have downed a fair few bottles of vodka with them till the early hours - the stories they can tell.... All I'll say is they may be friends but I wouldn't trust either...and I've told them that. My never having voted annoys the hell out of them I can tell you.

But fuck right off anyway you knobhead

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I started voting Green party when Blair went to Iraq. I have to vote labour for local and general elections because I hate the Tories to get in.

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I've never voted as never yet seen a politician I trust

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What are you doing to learn to trust a mp? It sounds a covenant excuse not to vote because you are being lazy.

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I know a couple of former MPs (one 20+ years) very well. Have downed a fair few bottles of vodka with them till the early hours - the stories they can tell.... All I'll say is they may be friends but I wouldn't trust either...and I've told them that. My never having voted annoys the hell out of them I can tell you.

But fuck right off anyway you knobhead

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MP's have changed since then, they are not as corrupt now. :)

I voted for Labour but like many people have already stated, I'm dissilusioned with the party under Ed Miliband. The party lacks direction, I mistakenly believed Labour would become more left wing after he relied on the TUC to win the leadership. Because of the unpopularity of the coalition government Ed Miliband's very lucky that his party are on course to scrape a win in the next general election. Personally I'm looking forward to Chuka Umunna, the current shadow business secretary, taking over the party in the future.

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I don't vote domestically at all anymore as just as I lay no claims on the state, I also expect them to have no claims on me. I can register as an overseas voter, but I see no point in making such an effort. I also understand the views of those who say their vote makes no difference. UKIP is suggesting that at least there is another party on the horizon, but in truth, asides from immigration, I don't really have very much in common with UKIP. In a way UKIP's rise might be the shake up that's needed as all three of the other parties should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves, particularly in the way they have allowed unchecked immigration, student debt to rise exponentially, an allegiance to the most corrupt banking in the world, another housing bubble, a police state (with no explanation), fracking and continued privatisation (including now the NHS). It's hardly even voting for the lesser of evils looking at such policies. It's a mess and maybe the ballot box isn't the way to go anymore. I think the recent slander of Farage by the main parties and the media has been atrocious too and it has actually made me think more favourably of him too. He is up against pure scum who would much rather throw mud pies than sort themselves out in the interests of their people. It has never been more clear just how warped the British establishment is.

Eton schoolboy pieces of trash all cloned in the same schoolyard factory. People probably want someone genuine who won't be bought by the banks or US dictators.

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I think for many people, yourself included, it's just easier to be cynical and shrug their shoulders and think what difference does it make than to really investigate the alternatives and actually bother trying to engender change. Whilst the BBC and others have probably unwittingly given UKIP huge publicity and shot themselves in the foot by throwing mud at them, you can not for one minute pretend that UKIP have not asked for it. You are talking about the most mainstream of parties, capitalising on disillusioned Right wing Tory voters getting elected on the basis of a campaign based on lies and racist diatribes. There is an alternative and that is why locally I supported the TUSC as a true socialist party standing up for the working man and against cuts and in Europe the Green party who believe in keeping the NHS public,paying workers a living wage,defending public services,creating sustainable jobs, protecting pensions and ending fuel poverty,Nationalising rail and Energy companies,abolishing tuition fees and increasing HE and Science funding.

These are things I thought you believed in ? If you are not prepared to put your money where your mouth is maybe you should stop moaning about it. Instead you are more worried about the slander of the toff Farage who hypocritically draws his wage in a European Parliament he supposedly does not agree with, never turning up to meetings to defend the UK , and all the while ignore the slander of 29 Million Romanians and Bulgarians by the dick whose smug bullshit has managed to hoodwink even you, an educated man.

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Im puzzled why you think every body in the UK cares at all about Romanians and Bulgarians etc.
You may care which is fine , however personally I don't care , nor do I want them living anywhere near me , that is my opinion. We are both entitled to it.
Also UKIP haven't hoodwinked me , its more both labour and Conservatives are doing nothing but giving away our country . Im hoping it kicks the government up the arse and they actually listen to peoples views from now on.

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I don't think that most people in the UK care at all about Romanians and Hungarians, but that is clearly something that worries UKIP. Immigration and it seems particularly that from new members of the European Union from eastern Europe is the ONLY ISSUE that UKIP have campaigned on. It makes up the entirety of their manifesto. Farrage himself has admitted that the previous 400 odd page document they campaigned on was full of meaningless drivel. Nigel was asked what the difference between having a German family (like his German wife) and a Romanian Family moving in next door would be and he clearly admitted he would not want Romanians living next door. That is clearly a distinction made on race and represents the thin end of an extremely ugly wedge. I will not make that distinction because frankly I think it is un British. Unlike the Nazis in the war we treated German prisoners of war with respect whilst they gassed people to death because of their ethnicity. Whilst Farrage who is clearly no more English than Napoleon might not be advocating the gas chamber he is clearly singling out ethnicities as different and capitalising on the public's fear to get into power.

What does he actually stand for though ? will he make the city pay back the taxpayer what it swindled them out of ? Will he lower taxes for the working man? will he empower small British businesses and reverse the privatisation of public services ? No he will not so he is not offering a real alternative. What happens if we leave the EU ? Do we have to send Lidl back home and all the Polish dentists and Romanian health workers? Do we return the European grants that have stopped British companies, farms and heritage sites going into liquidation and rack and ruin ?

Europe may not be the answer to all of Britain's unique national problems but It is also not the evil bogeyman that UKIP and others make it out to be. I can fully understand people becoming frustrated and fed up with the conventional three parties campaigning on one promise and then governing with another diametrically opposed position when they get into power, but for me there are a host of more viable alternatives to UKIP if people want to register a protest vote. There are many, many parties outside of the top three.

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I don't vote domestically at all anymore as just as I lay no claims on the state, I also expect them to have no claims on me. I can register as an overseas voter, but I see no point in making such an effort. I also understand the views of those who say their vote makes no difference. UKIP is suggesting that at least there is another party on the horizon, but in truth, asides from immigration, I don't really have very much in common with UKIP. In a way UKIP's rise might be the shake up that's needed as all three of the other parties should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves, particularly in the way they have allowed unchecked immigration, student debt to rise exponentially, an allegiance to the most corrupt banking in the world, another housing bubble, a police state (with no explanation), fracking and continued privatisation (including now the NHS). It's hardly even voting for the lesser of evils looking at such policies. It's a mess and maybe the ballot box isn't the way to go anymore. I think the recent slander of Farage by the main parties and the media has been atrocious too and it has actually made me think more favourably of him too. He is up against pure scum who would much rather throw mud pies than sort themselves out in the interests of their people. It has never been more clear just how warped the British establishment is.

Eton schoolboy pieces of trash all cloned in the same schoolyard factory. People probably want someone genuine who won't be bought by the banks or US dictators.

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I think for many people, yourself included, it's just easier to be cynical and shrug their shoulders and think what difference does it make than to really investigate the alternatives and actually bother trying to engender change. Whilst the BBC and others have probably unwittingly given UKIP huge publicity and shot themselves in the foot by throwing mud at them, you can not for one minute pretend that UKIP have not asked for it. You are talking about the most mainstream of parties, capitalising on disillusioned Right wing Tory voters getting elected on the basis of a campaign based on lies and racist diatribes. There is an alternative and that is why locally I supported the TUSC as a true socialist party standing up for the working man and against cuts and in Europe the Green party who believe in keeping the NHS public,paying workers a living wage,defending public services,creating sustainable jobs, protecting pensions and ending fuel poverty,Nationalising rail and Energy companies,abolishing tuition fees and increasing HE and Science funding.

These are things I thought you believed in ? If you are not prepared to put your money where your mouth is maybe you should stop moaning about it. Instead you are more worried about the slander of the toff Farage who hypocritically draws his wage in a European Parliament he supposedly does not agree with, never turning up to meetings to defend the UK , and all the while ignore the slander of 29 Million Romanians and Bulgarians by the dick whose smug bullshit has managed to hoodwink even you, an educated man.

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Im puzzled why you think every body in the UK cares at all about Romanians and Bulgarians etc.
You may care which is fine , however personally I don't care , nor do I want them living anywhere near me , that is my opinion. We are both entitled to it.
Also UKIP haven't hoodwinked me , its more both labour and Conservatives are doing nothing but giving away our country . Im hoping it kicks the government up the arse and they actually listen to peoples views from now on.

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I don't think that most people in the UK care at all about Romanians and Hungarians, but that is clearly something that worries UKIP. Immigration and it seems particularly that from new members of the European Union from eastern Europe is the ONLY ISSUE that UKIP have campaigned on. It makes up the entirety of their manifesto. Farrage himself has admitted that the previous 400 odd page document they campaigned on was full of meaningless drivel. Nigel was asked what the difference between having a German family (like his German wife) and a Romanian Family moving in next door would be and he clearly admitted he would not want Romanians living next door. That is clearly a distinction made on race and represents the thin end of an extremely ugly wedge. I will not make that distinction because frankly I think it is un British. Unlike the Nazis in the war we treated German prisoners of war with respect whilst they gassed people to death because of their ethnicity. Whilst Farrage who is clearly no more English than Napoleon might not be advocating the gas chamber he is clearly singling out ethnicities as different and capitalising on the public's fear to get into power.

What does he actually stand for though ? will he make the city pay back the taxpayer what it swindled them out of ? Will he lower taxes for the working man? will he empower small British businesses and reverse the privatisation of public services ? No he will not so he is not offering a real alternative. What happens if we leave the EU ? Do we have to send Lidl back home and all the Polish dentists and Romanian health workers? Do we return the European grants that have stopped British companies, farms and heritage sites going into liquidation and rack and ruin ?

Europe may not be the answer to all of Britain's unique national problems but It is also not the evil bogeyman that UKIP and others make it out to be. I can fully understand people becoming frustrated and fed up with the conventional three parties campaigning on one promise and then governing with another diametrically opposed position when they get into power, but for me there are a host of more viable alternatives to UKIP if people want to register a protest vote. There are many, many parties outside of the top three.

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Yeah on the radio when asked what the difference between a family of Romanians and a family of Germans moving in nextdoor he replied 'You know the difference.' He also switches between the use of 'Roma' and 'Romanian' to try and portray all Romanians coming to England as pretty nasty Gypsies. But when he was asked Romania should never be let into the EU he said it was 'because of their treatment of minorities like the Roma.' I can't believe the ignorance of the man. My only hope is that people are voting for them soley because of the unhappiness with the coalition, not because they believe anything UKIP say.

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I don't vote domestically at all anymore as just as I lay no claims on the state, I also expect them to have no claims on me. I can register as an overseas voter, but I see no point in making such an effort. I also understand the views of those who say their vote makes no difference. UKIP is suggesting that at least there is another party on the horizon, but in truth, asides from immigration, I don't really have very much in common with UKIP. In a way UKIP's rise might be the shake up that's needed as all three of the other parties should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves, particularly in the way they have allowed unchecked immigration, student debt to rise exponentially, an allegiance to the most corrupt banking in the world, another housing bubble, a police state (with no explanation), fracking and continued privatisation (including now the NHS). It's hardly even voting for the lesser of evils looking at such policies. It's a mess and maybe the ballot box isn't the way to go anymore. I think the recent slander of Farage by the main parties and the media has been atrocious too and it has actually made me think more favourably of him too. He is up against pure scum who would much rather throw mud pies than sort themselves out in the interests of their people. It has never been more clear just how warped the British establishment is.

Eton schoolboy pieces of trash all cloned in the same schoolyard factory. People probably want someone genuine who won't be bought by the banks or US dictators.

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I think for many people, yourself included, it's just easier to be cynical and shrug their shoulders and think what difference does it make than to really investigate the alternatives and actually bother trying to engender change. Whilst the BBC and others have probably unwittingly given UKIP huge publicity and shot themselves in the foot by throwing mud at them, you can not for one minute pretend that UKIP have not asked for it. You are talking about the most mainstream of parties, capitalising on disillusioned Right wing Tory voters getting elected on the basis of a campaign based on lies and racist diatribes. There is an alternative and that is why locally I supported the TUSC as a true socialist party standing up for the working man and against cuts and in Europe the Green party who believe in keeping the NHS public,paying workers a living wage,defending public services,creating sustainable jobs, protecting pensions and ending fuel poverty,Nationalising rail and Energy companies,abolishing tuition fees and increasing HE and Science funding.

These are things I thought you believed in ? If you are not prepared to put your money where your mouth is maybe you should stop moaning about it. Instead you are more worried about the slander of the toff Farage who hypocritically draws his wage in a European Parliament he supposedly does not agree with, never turning up to meetings to defend the UK , and all the while ignore the slander of 29 Million Romanians and Bulgarians by the dick whose smug bullshit has managed to hoodwink even you, an educated man.

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Firstly, I will say that I haven't been hoodwinked by anyone. Recent articles show that the numbers of people from Bulgaria and Romania for the first three months of the year is already substantial. Off my head something around 30,000 which as a comparison is about the same as the number of teachers here all with degrees and from developed nations after 30 years. A big difference - 3 months and 30,000! Now like I always said, let's look at the numbers a year or even a couple of years from now. Allowing uncontrolled immigration without any checks on quality will bring a flood and thus all the negative social consequences that come with it. Controlled immigration is the point.

In terms of me not voting. Well, as someone who doesn't contribute to the system I don't think I need to vote and especially when I now view the entire system as illegitimate. A system with a monarch, a parasitic political class, first past the post, banking corruption, economic apartheid etc is not democratic. Instead my views are something more anarchic and I see the system more as a city led occupation than anything else. Just as Israel builds settlements, we import immigrants and don't even build new settlements thus reducing wages, creating resentment, property bubbles, and a new feudalism with permanent apartheid economic systems. I don't think taking part in or supporting such a system is rational. Voting makes them think they have a mandate and they don't. I want nothing to do with it and I have taken the most dramatic steps to show that. I am angry about the choices I have had to make and the choices they continue to make to make it impossible for young people to succeed. It is worse than ever and they do nothing to rectify the mess that they have made.

Admittedly a vote for the Greens would be a vote in favor of policies I prefer, but my one vote from nowhere is tiny and like I say, the way I look at it is leave me alone and I will leave you alone. The amount of people voting for them would suggest that most don't think like me or you and therefore they are getting what they deserve by validating Westminster cronies. The rise of UKIP is a kind of waking up, but it is a 2 policy party only. Immigration and Europe is not enough when the rest is Conservatism. If I was living there, I would be more active and trying, but instead, I am simply trying to be what you term 'the good immigrant' and after years of wavering am moving on, so please don't attack me as though my vote is anything. If I vote Green it's still the same percentage point and nothing changes. It is cynical and bleak, but it's honest.

Politicians all talk drivel im just hoping someone does something about immigration , as we are full. The conservatives and labour put use in the mess we are , they talk and do nothing. UKIP'S rise in the number of votes is because the rest have failed us big time.
Looks like the French etc have voted to stop immigration also.

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Politicians all talk drivel im just hoping someone does something about immigration , as we are full. The conservatives and labour put use in the mess we are , they talk and do nothing. UKIP'S rise in the number of votes is because the rest have failed us big time.
Looks like the French etc have voted to stop immigration also.

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You may not agree but I don't want to see filth like this on my streets. This is England and this is not acceptable and I cannot accept that anyone here wants this on their doorstep , or if you do please say.

I read all these articles and forget what I have read and seemingly I only had the Romanian numbers stored in my head. Combined with Bulgarians seemingly over 45,000 people from these two countries have registered for national insurance numbers in the first 3 months of 2014. Now obviously, this would only be the numbers of registered immigrants, so it's anyones guess how many are out undercutting honest workers and doing it on the sly. Logically you would assume it to be be far higher than 45,000.

45,000 is the size of a small town and it isn't as though new homes are being built in the UK which is in the middle of a housing bubble designed for fat Dave to get reelected as there are no other rabbits in the hat. Cue another housing and stocks collapse and thousands made homeless and bankrupt as interest rates creep up even a little bit. Then the rentier class can gobble all the houses up and rent them to families with 3 to a room who pool together and do whatever whilst another generation of Brits is lost into the ether or pushed into the workhouse or forced to evacuate and Victorian Britain comes back into vogue with the splendid addition of a police state. But of course the NHS must go, meanwhile the biggest predator and destroyer of lives, the RBS, must be protected at all costs. It's a joke and these people have no credibility or legitimacy and are the vilest and lowest of all human forms. I'm sick of them and my vote counts for nothing nor for anybody else in an age of bailouts, privatisation, student debt, immigration, Europe etc etc. None of this was voted for by a public mandate, none of it. It is completely illegitimate.

50,000 Romanian and Bulgarian migrants applied for work in UK in 3 months | Mail Online

The simple fact is UKIP just won seats in the European election , so it seems lots of people agree with them .

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Politicians all talk drivel im just hoping someone does something about immigration , as we are full. The conservatives and labour put use in the mess we are , they talk and do nothing. UKIP'S rise in the number of votes is because the rest have failed us big time.
Looks like the French etc have voted to stop immigration also.

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You may not agree but I don't want to see filth like this on my streets. This is England and this is not acceptable and I cannot accept that anyone here wants this on their doorstep , or if you do please say.

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Why do you see them as filth? They are women having sandwiches and enjoying conversation.

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Politicians all talk drivel im just hoping someone does something about immigration , as we are full. The conservatives and labour put use in the mess we are , they talk and do nothing. UKIP'S rise in the number of votes is because the rest have failed us big time.
Looks like the French etc have voted to stop immigration also.

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You may not agree but I don't want to see filth like this on my streets. This is England and this is not acceptable and I cannot accept that anyone here wants this on their doorstep , or if you do please say.

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Why do you see them as filth? They are women having sandwiches and enjoying conversation.

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Romanian beggars , your welcome to them if you want them , but not for me my friend.
Or in your mind do you think they all come to the UK with £200,000 in the bank from their house sale back in Romania ?
Or do you accept they have nothing ?

Ukip's European elections win worrying, says Tony Blair | Politics | theguardian.com

To hell with you, Blair. You started this mess. You accepted Thatcher was right on privatisation, you secretly started unchecked immigration, you have destroyed the young people with debt, and allowed bankers to collapse a system as it wasn't regulated. Then you want to innocently ponder on the UKIP 'problem'. You are a scumbag and should have been on that first tank to Iraq.

I am sick of you popping up with your thoroughly unwanted point of view. You are a despicable and soulless human being and we all want you in The Hague. Will you please go away. Tosser.

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Ukip's European elections win worrying, says Tony Blair | Politics | theguardian.com

To hell with you, Blair. You started this mess. You accepted Thatcher was right on privatisation, you secretly started unchecked immigration, you have destroyed the young people with debt, and allowed bankers to collapse a system as it wasn't regulated. Then you want to innocently ponder on the UKIP 'problem'. You are a scumbag and should have been on that first tank to Iraq.

I am sick of you popping up with your thoroughly unwanted point of view. You are a despicable and soulless human being and we all want you in The Hague. Will you please go away. Tosser.

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It amazes me that another person in this case Tony B Liar talks about Britain worrying about the rise of UKIP , who do these fuckwits think voted for UKIP ? Yes B Liar it was the British people. Another past politician who made a balls of it when he had the chance to do it right , now hes a fucking expert , what a surprise , fuck you B Lair .

Romanian Immigration: Medical Staff Now In Highest Demand As Britain Struggles For Nurses

"After the Francis Report [into the Mid Staffordshire care scandal], the government decided hospitals needed to recruit more nurses, but there is a real shortage of trained professionals in the UK.
"The government realised it made the cuts in the wrong places. We now estimate there are 20,000 vacancies for nurses in the UK. And the homegrown supply is not sufficient. If you need new nurses quickly, you have to look overseas."

The statistics will confirm what many migrant rights experts have said about EU immigration, that migrants come to Britain to do jobs that cannot be filled with British workers.
European countries, Catton said, are unlikely to be happy with the situation of nurses and doctors taking jobs in Britain. "They pay to train them in their home countries and then they are poached for jobs in Britain. For many countries that is unacceptable".
Dr Ion Jinga, Romania's ambassador to the UK said: "The EU labour market has become increasingly competitive and every economy aims to attract bright brains and highly skilled workers. Romania’s economy is growing fast, with a 5.2% GDP growth in the final quarter of 2013 – the biggest rise in the EU – and a full-year rate of 3.5%, and the EU average growth was only 0.1%.

Here are some facts Australia, population 23 million approx 34 times bigger than the UK, with a population of 64 million.
Our little island doe's not have much room left, a concrete country side I don't want.:(

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Romanian Immigration: Medical Staff Now In Highest Demand As Britain Struggles For Nurses

"After the Francis Report [into the Mid Staffordshire care scandal], the government decided hospitals needed to recruit more nurses, but there is a real shortage of trained professionals in the UK.
"The government realised it made the cuts in the wrong places. We now estimate there are 20,000 vacancies for nurses in the UK. And the homegrown supply is not sufficient. If you need new nurses quickly, you have to look overseas."

The statistics will confirm what many migrant rights experts have said about EU immigration, that migrants come to Britain to do jobs that cannot be filled with British workers.
European countries, Catton said, are unlikely to be happy with the situation of nurses and doctors taking jobs in Britain. "They pay to train them in their home countries and then they are poached for jobs in Britain. For many countries that is unacceptable".
Dr Ion Jinga, Romania's ambassador to the UK said: "The EU labour market has become increasingly competitive and every economy aims to attract bright brains and highly skilled workers. Romania’s economy is growing fast, with a 5.2% GDP growth in the final quarter of 2013 – the biggest rise in the EU – and a full-year rate of 3.5%, and the EU average growth was only 0.1%.

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Maybe we can employ the thousands of non English speaking Romanian gypsies sleeping rough in our parks or begging on our streets in the NHS ? Good Idea.
Or are you saying they are all skilled English speaking nurses and doctors ?
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Here are some facts Australia, population 23 million approx 34 times bigger than the UK, with a population of 64 million.
Our little island doe's not have much room left, a concrete country side I don't want.:(

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BBC News - The great myth of urban Britain


"According to the most detailed analysis ever conducted, almost 98% of England is, in their word, natural. Elsewhere in the UK, the figure rises to more than 99%. It is clear that only a small fraction of Britain has been concreted over."

There is plenty of room

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Romanian Immigration: Medical Staff Now In Highest Demand As Britain Struggles For Nurses

"After the Francis Report [into the Mid Staffordshire care scandal], the government decided hospitals needed to recruit more nurses, but there is a real shortage of trained professionals in the UK.
"The government realised it made the cuts in the wrong places. We now estimate there are 20,000 vacancies for nurses in the UK. And the homegrown supply is not sufficient. If you need new nurses quickly, you have to look overseas."

The statistics will confirm what many migrant rights experts have said about EU immigration, that migrants come to Britain to do jobs that cannot be filled with British workers.
European countries, Catton said, are unlikely to be happy with the situation of nurses and doctors taking jobs in Britain. "They pay to train them in their home countries and then they are poached for jobs in Britain. For many countries that is unacceptable".
Dr Ion Jinga, Romania's ambassador to the UK said: "The EU labour market has become increasingly competitive and every economy aims to attract bright brains and highly skilled workers. Romania’s economy is growing fast, with a 5.2% GDP growth in the final quarter of 2013 – the biggest rise in the EU – and a full-year rate of 3.5%, and the EU average growth was only 0.1%.

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Maybe we can employ the thousands of non English speaking Romanian gypsies sleeping rough in our parks or begging on our streets in the NHS ? Good Idea.
Or are you saying they are all skilled English speaking nurses and doctors ?
which are these - Attachment 3174
Doctors or Nurses ?

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Are you saying they are all beggars ? Are you saying all Romanians and Bulgarians are Romany Gypsies ? Or Are you saying all Romanian and Bulgarians are all unskilled ? I never said every single Romanian is a Doctor or Nurse or even that every single Romanian was a skilled worker. I would not make such a blanket statement.

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Romanian Immigration: Medical Staff Now In Highest Demand As Britain Struggles For Nurses

"After the Francis Report [into the Mid Staffordshire care scandal], the government decided hospitals needed to recruit more nurses, but there is a real shortage of trained professionals in the UK.
"The government realised it made the cuts in the wrong places. We now estimate there are 20,000 vacancies for nurses in the UK. And the homegrown supply is not sufficient. If you need new nurses quickly, you have to look overseas."

The statistics will confirm what many migrant rights experts have said about EU immigration, that migrants come to Britain to do jobs that cannot be filled with British workers.
European countries, Catton said, are unlikely to be happy with the situation of nurses and doctors taking jobs in Britain. "They pay to train them in their home countries and then they are poached for jobs in Britain. For many countries that is unacceptable".
Dr Ion Jinga, Romania's ambassador to the UK said: "The EU labour market has become increasingly competitive and every economy aims to attract bright brains and highly skilled workers. Romania’s economy is growing fast, with a 5.2% GDP growth in the final quarter of 2013 – the biggest rise in the EU – and a full-year rate of 3.5%, and the EU average growth was only 0.1%.

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Isn't this an issue of Britain's University system being a complete failure rather than needing medical staff alone? Last year I taught classes of nursing students in this country and see that important jobs like this are being prepared for. If I go to hospital it is always a Korean nurse who speaks English and I appreciate that. Now why on earth are people in the UK studying English, or geography, when there is a demand for nursing?

It's easy to ignore the basic common sense that the system is simply failing British people. Schools encourage students to study crap and this is the cream of the crop now getting tens of thousands of pounds into debt as bank slaves. How about just being sensible and telling young people that nursing is useful, helpful, valued, and to guarantee conditions so that young people want to be nurses?

It is wrong to carry on this parade that 'We need these overseas workers'. We don't, we just need to accept that the system is fucked and to deal with it. England for the English isn't such a bad thing if you care about the English. If you don't then of course the media will spin it as Satanism.

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Romanian Immigration: Medical Staff Now In Highest Demand As Britain Struggles For Nurses

"After the Francis Report [into the Mid Staffordshire care scandal], the government decided hospitals needed to recruit more nurses, but there is a real shortage of trained professionals in the UK.
"The government realised it made the cuts in the wrong places. We now estimate there are 20,000 vacancies for nurses in the UK. And the homegrown supply is not sufficient. If you need new nurses quickly, you have to look overseas."

The statistics will confirm what many migrant rights experts have said about EU immigration, that migrants come to Britain to do jobs that cannot be filled with British workers.
European countries, Catton said, are unlikely to be happy with the situation of nurses and doctors taking jobs in Britain. "They pay to train them in their home countries and then they are poached for jobs in Britain. For many countries that is unacceptable".
Dr Ion Jinga, Romania's ambassador to the UK said: "The EU labour market has become increasingly competitive and every economy aims to attract bright brains and highly skilled workers. Romania’s economy is growing fast, with a 5.2% GDP growth in the final quarter of 2013 – the biggest rise in the EU – and a full-year rate of 3.5%, and the EU average growth was only 0.1%.

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Isn't this an issue of Britain's University system being a complete failure rather than needing medical staff alone? Last year I taught classes of nursing students in this country and see that important jobs like this are being prepared for. If I go to hospital it is always a Korean nurse who speaks English and I appreciate that. Now why on earth are people in the UK studying English, or geography, when there is a demand for nursing?

It's easy to ignore the basic common sense that the system is simply failing British people. Schools encourage students to study crap and this is the cream of the crop now getting tens of thousands of pounds into debt as bank slaves. How about just being sensible and telling young people that nursing is useful, helpful, valued, and to guarantee conditions so that young people want to be nurses?

It is wrong to carry on this parade that 'We need these overseas workers'. We don't, we just need to accept that the system is fucked and to deal with it. England for the English isn't such a bad thing if you care about the English. If you don't then of course the media will spin it as Satanism.

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Stop being so wilfully stupid. You do not live in England and go on and on about how it has changed and how you do not recognise it anymore and then in the same breath you arrogantly diagnose it from afar and prescribe an end to all it's woes as though the English themselves are nothing to do with it. I fucking live here 24 hours a day every day. I work in the Education system and seriously, truthfully, English kids do not want to work in Nursing or care because it is not seen as sexy. That is not the fault of a University that offers nursing and medical degrees that run half full because nobody wants to put the hard work in to finish the course. "England for the English" ? you sound like fucking Nick Griffin from the BNP.

Schools do not encourage students to study Krap and since when has English and Geography counted as Krap? you studied English or is it just Krap now? Not everybody wants to work in the healthcare system and so in a free Europe professionally qualified people with the right to work will move where the work is. You are the one spinning everything as Satanism because you can not simply accept that the world has moved on from your extremely boring, safe, straight conservative values. That is the hilarious truth of the matter for all your harping on you are the one stuck in his ways bemoaning Jonny foreigner and the fuzzy wuzzies taking over your beloved England whilst you swan it up in South Korea, flicking bogeys at an 80 year old lady from thousands of miles away.