George Groves is WAY overrated

He is a young energetic psycho and hs a pucnher's chance and that is IT. Froch learned his lessons alast time round and will come in this saturday with both barrels blazing. Carl Froch to seal his legacy with a 3rd round KO of Groves.

to be exact, at 2:02 of the 3rd round. Froch SMOKES Groves like an ARBROATH SMOKED CHUBBY:

http://www.calumetfisheries.com/Calu...ages/HR/07.jpg

OH AND BY THE WAY---here is the list of losers Groves has fought the past 2 years (not counting Froch)

2013-05-25 Noe Gonzalez Alcoba 30-3-0 (never fought out of Uruguay)

2013-03-23 Baker Barakat 37-16-5

2013-03-09 Dario German Balmaceda 11-7-2

2012-12-15 Glen Johnson 51-19-2

2012-07-28 Francisco Sierra 25-8-1

2011-11-05 Paul Smith 31-3-0

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He is a young energetic psycho and hs a pucnher's chance and that is IT. Froch learned his lessons alast time round and will come in this saturday with both barrels blazing. Carl Froch to seal his legacy with a 3rd round KO of Groves.

to be exact, at 2:02 of the 3rd round. Froch SMOKES Groves like an ARBROATH SMOKED CHUBBY:

http://www.calumetfisheries.com/Calu...ages/HR/07.jpg

OH AND BY THE WAY---here is the list of losers Groves has fought the past 2 years (not counting Froch)

2013-05-25 Noe Gonzalez Alcoba 30-3-0 (never fought out of Uruguay)

2013-03-23 Baker Barakat 37-16-5

2013-03-09 Dario German Balmaceda 11-7-2

2012-12-15 Glen Johnson 51-19-2

2012-07-28 Francisco Sierra 25-8-1

2011-11-05 Paul Smith 31-3-0

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you make a very fair point and his record illustrates that. Maybe he is overrated, but what does that say about Froch in this stage of his career?
for a champion to get knocked down in the 1st and consequently outboxed for the next 5/6 rounds by an overrated young upstart doesn't say much for him.
No World Champion in any division should get hit as much as Froch did in the 6th round with clean punches on the chin. Credit to Froch that he took all of that , but if he was fighting a World class fighter rather than a "young, energetic , overrated boxer", how would he have survived?

I wouldn't say that Groves is overrated; he is pretty much ranked where he should be.

You might actually not be giving Groves enough respect & that's a mistake Froch made six months ago.

Also, by damning George Groves, you inadvertently damn Froch too.

Froch got outboxed & outpunched for most of their first fight & but for Groves' insistence on trying to slug with Froch & a premature stoppage, he might have beaten Froch.

Froch and his team were probably looking at the same thing and feeling very confident. You can look at any fighters record and find opponents with similar stats.
The undeniable fact is that he had Froch on his ass and beat him for much of their fight. If the referee had let the fight go on we wouldn't be having this conversation.
I'm not saying the referee did anything wrong, just stating the obvious.
We are going to find out pretty soon one way or the other. Fight night!!

"Punchers Chance" ? Have you actually watched the first fight Brock ? Groves boxed rings around Froch and don't forget that at this stage in Froch's career he was fighting Robin Reid for the British Title not a multi belt holding world champion like himself. Froch took 12 rounds to grind out a points win against Adamu in his 12th fight and Groves stopped Adamu in round 6 of his 9th fight. Since when is Glen Johnson a loser when Froch faces him in his 28th fight or when Groves faces him in his 16th?

Do not forget what a massive underdog a young Groves without a manager was before the first fight and how much chutzpah it took to make the bold predictions he did against the darling of sky Sports and the British boxing media and then to follow through and put the Champion on his arse and subject him to a merciless beating round after round. You have either not watched the fight or had your fingers in your ears if you think it is Groves who is over rated.

Froch not only deemed him not worthy of sharing a ring with him but complained like a baby when Groves refused to lick his boots. Remember also that Froch is 36 with a very successful super six tournament behind him and Groves is 26 with his whole career before him so you can not disregard Froch's experience in multiple world title fights when assessing how impressive the demolition job Groves did on him in the first rounds of the first fight. I am a fan of both fighters and have for a long time said that Groves had an enormous amount of potential that I thought was not being capitalised on under Booth, so I had no issue with Froch until he behaved like such a dick head and was still surprised that he did what he did. In the first fight Groves was the underdog and not many people foresaw how well he would do. Even after that demonstration many people have Froch as the favourite going into the rematch, so how exactly is Groves over rated ?

I'd agree with this statement 100% prior to the first fight - I couldn't for the life of me work out how Groves had got a shot at Froch as thought they were leagues apart, they certainly were in terms of opposition faced.


Don't agree now though - but I still see Froch hurting him badly in the later stages on Saturday ;)

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"Punchers Chance" ? Have you actually watched the first fight Brock ? Groves boxed rings around Froch and don't forget that at this stage in Froch's career he was fighting Robin Reid for the British Title not a multi belt holding world champion like himself. Froch took 12 rounds to grind out a points win against Adamu in his 12th fight and Groves stopped Adamu in round 6 of his 9th fight. Since when is Glen Johnson a loser when Froch faces him in his 28th fight or when Groves faces him in his 16th?

Do not forget what a massive underdog a young Groves without a manager was before the first fight and how much chutzpah it took to make the bold predictions he did against the darling of sky Sports and the British boxing media and then to follow through and put the Champion on his arse and subject him to a merciless beating round after round. You have either not watched the fight or had your fingers in your ears if you think it is Groves who is over rated.

Froch not only deemed him not worthy of sharing a ring with him but complained like a baby when Groves refused to lick his boots. Remember also that Froch is 36 with a very successful super six tournament behind him and Groves is 26 with his whole career before him so you can not disregard Froch's experience in multiple world title fights when assessing how impressive the demolition job Groves did on him in the first rounds of the first fight. I am a fan of both fighters and have for a long time said that Groves had an enormous amount of potential that I thought was not being capitalised on under Booth, so I had no issue with Froch until he behaved like such a dick head and was still surprised that he did what he did. In the first fight Groves was the underdog and not many people foresaw how well he would do. Even after that demonstration many people have Froch as the favourite going into the rematch, so how exactly is Groves over rated ?

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To be fair though glen johnson was coming off multiple losses and beatings and Charles adamu was much older than when froch faced him.

Froch likely wanted to scrap with groves and groves knew it and took advantage.
What groves can't do is adjust like froch can, froch changes his rhythm and pace all the time so you don't know what to expect at any time but he makes up for his slowness with his timing otherwise groves would have moved away from the ropes at the stoppage???????

Why didn't groves move anyway because his fans keep saying he wasn't exausted??

How comes froch never got trapped on the ropes?

If froch isn't all that good then ali must be shit because they both have something in common......they took massive beatings but only one gets credit for it!!

Very strange

He had a good showing the first time and I think Froch had a bad night. This time Froch is going to beat him convincingly.

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I won't be surprised either way! Groves came out of nowhere to get all the Brit boxing fans hyper ventilating and foaming at the mouth.
One thing for sure, he has the lions share of the credit for filling Wembley Stadium. Him and the fans who didn't approve of the 'quick' stoppage, that is.
I hope fight night will give the Brits a definitive answer about Carl and George. Everyone else is interested too!

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He is a young energetic psycho and hs a pucnher's chance and that is IT. Froch learned his lessons alast time round and will come in this saturday with both barrels blazing. Carl Froch to seal his legacy with a 3rd round KO of Groves.

to be exact, at 2:02 of the 3rd round. Froch SMOKES Groves like an ARBROATH SMOKED CHUBBY:

http://www.calumetfisheries.com/Calu...ages/HR/07.jpg

OH AND BY THE WAY---here is the list of losers Groves has fought the past 2 years (not counting Froch)

2013-05-25 Noe Gonzalez Alcoba 30-3-0 (never fought out of Uruguay)

2013-03-23 Baker Barakat 37-16-5

2013-03-09 Dario German Balmaceda 11-7-2

2012-12-15 Glen Johnson 51-19-2

2012-07-28 Francisco Sierra 25-8-1

2011-11-05 Paul Smith 31-3-0

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Whats your point with this list? Who are the good prospects in the division then? J'Leon Love? His standard of opposition hasnt been that good. None are as good as Degale. Gonzalez? He is muck! Dirrell? Standard of opposition is worse then Groves.

I dont think there is anyone ranked lower then Groves who should be higher then him based on their achivements so far.

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Him and the fans who didn't approve of the 'quick' stoppage, that is.
I hope fight night will give the Brits a definitive answer about Carl and George. Everyone else is interested too!

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I'm very interested in the fight for sure, and for sure it was a bad stoppage, but IMO at that point Carl had caught up with him and broken him physically, and there's no way George was going to last another 3 1/2 rounds.

This time I suspect Carl will catch up must quicker and will give a dominant performance.

Groves surprised a lot of people including Froch with the way he performed. He proved he is a top class fighter who belongs at the elite level. I do not think he is over rated, just under rated at the time.

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"Punchers Chance" ? Have you actually watched the first fight Brock ? Groves boxed rings around Froch and don't forget that at this stage in Froch's career he was fighting Robin Reid for the British Title not a multi belt holding world champion like himself. Froch took 12 rounds to grind out a points win against Adamu in his 12th fight and Groves stopped Adamu in round 6 of his 9th fight. Since when is Glen Johnson a loser when Froch faces him in his 28th fight or when Groves faces him in his 16th?

Do not forget what a massive underdog a young Groves without a manager was before the first fight and how much chutzpah it took to make the bold predictions he did against the darling of sky Sports and the British boxing media and then to follow through and put the Champion on his arse and subject him to a merciless beating round after round. You have either not watched the fight or had your fingers in your ears if you think it is Groves who is over rated.

Froch not only deemed him not worthy of sharing a ring with him but complained like a baby when Groves refused to lick his boots. Remember also that Froch is 36 with a very successful super six tournament behind him and Groves is 26 with his whole career before him so you can not disregard Froch's experience in multiple world title fights when assessing how impressive the demolition job Groves did on him in the first rounds of the first fight. I am a fan of both fighters and have for a long time said that Groves had an enormous amount of potential that I thought was not being capitalised on under Booth, so I had no issue with Froch until he behaved like such a dick head and was still surprised that he did what he did. In the first fight Groves was the underdog and not many people foresaw how well he would do. Even after that demonstration many people have Froch as the favourite going into the rematch, so how exactly is Groves over rated ?

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1. Yes , thrice
2. like I said "young, energetic, psycho" like Gatti a bit.
3. 51 wins 19 losses and 3 draws----- ehhhh, a bit of a loser wouldnt you say

remember when that guy got the DQ win over Joy Jones---montell griffin was it? remember when Rahman caught Lennox?------ ahhhhhh, the TRUE GREATS ALWAYS come back THUNDEROUSLY IN THE REMATCH TO PUT THE DOUBTERS TO SILENCE.

FROCH KO 3 OVER GROVES, 2 MINUTES 2 SECONDS. THUNDEROUS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMNmlZwcFhE

Groves is a not overrated he's world class, Froch beat him with his grit and determination because
he was being out boxed and took a good bit of punishment.
It shows Froch has very good chin, but again it showed he can be out boxed but he will be there
for 12 hard rounds.

Froch is good fighter and all but people are saying Jones, Ali and Foreman when talking about the guy kinda silly don't you think. He is a good fighter who i think will make hof his resume pretty good but at the end of the day he was never top dog. I am not sure how this rematch will go but it will be good.

If froch knocked ward out after this fight and added the WBC and ring belt would you guys think that would guarantee a hall of fame spot?

Well i mean it is kinda hard because Froch was never really famous or ever the man in his own division. At his age he sure as shit won't do it now already lost Ward and he is tied with Kessler need a rubber match figure that out. The man fucked around and wasted a lot of his career before fighting a champ. Taylor was never good at smw and just got owned by Pavlik twice, German dude yet another mw with Miranda as his best win. Kessler and Pascal are his best wins really and Kessler beat him after coming off a loss and was easily handled way early in his prime by a Old Calzaghe. Pascal first time stepping up but went on to do good things until losing to Hopkins which no shame in. Tell me does being in one division where for must of it weren't even fighting for a trinket and never was top guy make you hof worthy.

Royal Mail could of dispatched Andre Dirrell easier than Carl did

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remember when that guy got the DQ win over Joy Jones---montell griffin was it? remember when Rahman caught Lennox?------ ahhhhhh, the TRUE GREATS ALWAYS come back THUNDEROUSLY IN THE REMATCH TO PUT THE DOUBTERS TO SILENCE.

FROCH KO 3 OVER GROVES, 2 MINUTES 2 SECONDS. THUNDEROUS.

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Those are not like for like comparisons, just like Groves is nothing like Gatti. If anything Froch is more like Gatti and Froch is not really like Gatti much at all.

The doubters who have been put to silence are virtually everyone on Earth when Groves suggested that he would meet Froch in the centre of the ring and batter him round after round. You are trying to turn it all on it's head.

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remember when that guy got the DQ win over Joy Jones---montell griffin was it? remember when Rahman caught Lennox?------ ahhhhhh, the TRUE GREATS ALWAYS come back THUNDEROUSLY IN THE REMATCH TO PUT THE DOUBTERS TO SILENCE.

FROCH KO 3 OVER GROVES, 2 MINUTES 2 SECONDS. THUNDEROUS.

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Those are not like for like comparisons, just like Groves is nothing like Gatti. If anything Froch is more like Gatti and Froch is not really like Gatti much at all.

The doubters who have been put to silence are virtually everyone on Earth when Groves suggested that he would meet Froch in the centre of the ring and batter him round after round. You are trying to turn it all on it's head.

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Beanz have you ever seen Gatti fight/stance/??? Groves fights esxactly like Gatti. Low left hand, right hand up to the chin, wide stance, crouching, long range bombs, wide punches, shifting his balance rapidly and incessantly from one foot to the other, he fights and ACTS exactly like Gatti. Groves is way overrated. He is a rough-houser with a good jab but his punches also lack POP. Or will you say Froch has granite in his chin? Surely frocjh shoulda been KTFO after so many overhand rights gfrom Groves right on the button. Surely.!!

I think Froch is going to get stopped. 6-7 round range.

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damn really? I see it that Froch will exact revenge for getting a nice pounding last time

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remember when that guy got the DQ win over Joy Jones---montell griffin was it? remember when Rahman caught Lennox?------ ahhhhhh, the TRUE GREATS ALWAYS come back THUNDEROUSLY IN THE REMATCH TO PUT THE DOUBTERS TO SILENCE.

FROCH KO 3 OVER GROVES, 2 MINUTES 2 SECONDS. THUNDEROUS.

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Those are not like for like comparisons, just like Groves is nothing like Gatti. If anything Froch is more like Gatti and Froch is not really like Gatti much at all.

The doubters who have been put to silence are virtually everyone on Earth when Groves suggested that he would meet Froch in the centre of the ring and batter him round after round. You are trying to turn it all on it's head.

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Beanz have you ever seen Gatti fight/stance/??? Groves fights esxactly like Gatti. Low left hand, right hand up to the chin, wide stance, crouching, long range bombs, wide punches, shifting his balance rapidly and incessantly from one foot to the other, he fights and ACTS exactly like Gatti. Groves is way overrated. He is a rough-houser with a good jab but his punches also lack POP. Or will you say Froch has granite in his chin? Surely frocjh shoulda been KTFO after so many overhand rights gfrom Groves right on the button. Surely.!!

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Of course Froch has a granite chin that is why despite getting smacked in the head and mouth for 10 years by top class opposition he has never been knocked out. It cant last forever though and Groves has more than enough pop to stop him. Describing Groves as a rough Houser with a good jab is seriously under rating his boxing ability. Personally I still think Groves is nothing like Gatti.

as i said, he has a bit of a left hook, but his punches are shite. I am always right. EAT IT:cool::cool:

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How are you right? You said George was WAY overrated and only had a punchers chance yet the 2nd best guy at 168lbs went life and death with him twice. His punchers chance had him well ahead in the first fight and had it pretty even in the 2nd. Questioning his chin and stamina would be fine but there should be no question marks about his skill level.

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How are you right? You said George was WAY overrated and only had a punchers chance yet the 2nd best guy at 168lbs went life and death with him twice. His punchers chance had him well ahead in the first fight and had it pretty even in the 2nd. Questioning his chin and stamina would be fine but there should be no question marks about his skill level.

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life and death??? hahahaha First fight ol' Carl was just warmin' up. Took him a few rounds then he lowered the fucking boom. Same way Lennox took apart Vitali. Those aging Greats sometimes dont take fights seriously enough/dont train hard enough, and they pay a price for it like Lewis did against Vitali or Carl did the 1st fight with Groves. BUT COME ON WAKE THE FUCK UP... YOU CALL THE 2ND FIGHT "LIFE AND DEATH"???? HAHAHAHA groves only won 2 rounds, one even, at best.

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as i said, he has a bit of a left hook, but his punches are shite. I am always right. EAT IT:cool::cool:

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How are you right? You said George was WAY overrated and only had a punchers chance yet the 2nd best guy at 168lbs went life and death with him twice. His punchers chance had him well ahead in the first fight and had it pretty even in the 2nd. Questioning his chin and stamina would be fine but there should be no question marks about his skill level.

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life and death??? hahahaha First fight ol' Carl was just warmin' up. Took him a few rounds then he lowered the fucking boom. Same way Lennox took apart Vitali. Those aging Greats sometimes dont take fights seriously enough/dont train hard enough, and they pay a price for it like Lewis did against Vitali or Carl did the 1st fight with Groves. BUT COME ON WAKE THE FUCK UP... YOU CALL THE 2ND FIGHT "LIFE AND DEATH"???? HAHAHAHA groves only won 2 rounds, one even, at best.

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Carl himself conceded that Groves was well in the fight and it was pretty even. I thought Groves won the 2nd, 5th and 7th rounds and was winning the 8th comfortably up until the knockout punch. I think you're letting hatred/wanting to be right cloud your judgement.

Froch nailed him hard with a killer punch.

Groves was still well in the fight.

Thats it.

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as i said, he has a bit of a left hook, but his punches are shite. I am always right. EAT IT:cool::cool:

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How are you right? You said George was WAY overrated and only had a punchers chance yet the 2nd best guy at 168lbs went life and death with him twice. His punchers chance had him well ahead in the first fight and had it pretty even in the 2nd. Questioning his chin and stamina would be fine but there should be no question marks about his skill level.

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life and death??? hahahaha First fight ol' Carl was just warmin' up. Took him a few rounds then he lowered the fucking boom. Same way Lennox took apart Vitali. Those aging Greats sometimes dont take fights seriously enough/dont train hard enough, and they pay a price for it like Lewis did against Vitali or Carl did the 1st fight with Groves. BUT COME ON WAKE THE FUCK UP... YOU CALL THE 2ND FIGHT "LIFE AND DEATH"???? HAHAHAHA groves only won 2 rounds, one even, at best.

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Carl himself conceded that Groves was well in the fight and it was pretty even. I thought Groves won the 2nd, 5th and 7th rounds and was winning the 8th comfortably up until the knockout punch. I think you're letting hatred/wanting to be right cloud your judgement.

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I gave Groves 1, 2, 3 or 4, 5 and 7. Think Sky tricked you Brock. Jim Watt was trying to claim Froch was winning the battle of the jabs despite landing fuck all. Most of Frochs shots were landing on arms and gloves, he did land some body shots but not enough to be winning rounds for me. It was pretty clear that sky were biased towards Groves. I have it 4-1 Groves after 5 but sky had it the other way around. I really thought they were trying to build hype for a third fight. Jim Watt had it 9-3 to Froch but judges gave it to Froch, robbery, they need a 3rd fight etc.

No Groves is not way overrated. He shots were on target with power. Only time will tell. He looks like a guy who will be back.

Groves will not be back. He has been KNOCKED OUT TWICE. Boxers dont recover psychologically from getting sparked out TWICE CONSECUTIVELY. I may have been favoring Froch, no doubt, but Froch was landing from the 3rd round that sneaky inside left hook, it was so perfect you almost missed it, sharp and hard, Froch is a great great puncher like Foreman, seems slow but deceptively. He was sneaking in that sharp hook. Groves landed nice rights but HE WAS REACHING, HE DIDNT HAVE HIS ARSE INTO THE PUNCHES. He fought the wrong fight, he should have gojne straight at him like he did in the 1st fight. He was fighting from the wrong distance for 4 rounds, yes he came on out of desperation in the 5th and won 3 rounds from there I would say. I gave Groves the 1st, 5th, 6th and I think one more even. Sky didnt influence me in the least as I was lsitening to Black sabbath at the time. Smoking pot and tripping on LSD. :) Froch did what ALL ATGs do, they make it happen under pressure, he found a way to win, he may have been tiring there from the 6th round, Groves was coming on for sure, nice right hands and stiff jabs , Groves is good, I will say very good, but not an individual with ATG in his veins. FROCH is an ATG, he has that magic, he wins.

Lol Brock. You cant on the one hand claim that Froch is an ATG because of how he won the fight and on the other dismiss his competitor as being "way overrated" in a fight he was at least even in after 7 and winning on other score cards. When you factor in how many fights the young Groves has had, I'd call him an overachiever rather then overrated. The guys had only 21 fights and already has a better ledger then many had at the 30 or more mark.

He came across to me after the fight as a young man that will not be denied and it was genuine. I think this adversity that 99% of all other contenders don't have the cajones to take on this early is going to pay dividends. He's stubborn and that's a great quality in this sport that cant be taught. Real curious as to what Mr. Groves does next. I'd go for a Degale rematch. The calender could not be better for both men. They both just fought and have no commitments.

Froch and atg do not even belong in the same sentence come on now good god. The man stayed at 168 only did fuck all for first part of his career and was never the man at his own division. He has a few good wins but i not sure if he even makes the hof let alone be called a fucking atg.

fROCH IS AN atg

Well brock i think your getting to old there bud what exactly makes Froch atg really. He was never the man fought garbage half of his career most of his top wins were against guys coming up. He has Bute, Pascal and Kessler who he is tied with thats not a atg resume.

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Wards resume isnt much better? He has Froch who isnt an ATG and Dawson who was weight drained and shot.