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150 is the weight Roach wants. This sport will be better off when Roach goes away. He is easily the most overrated trainer and he is insufferable.
Walk away Roach, spend more time with your boy toy at the Salon. And take your handicapped fights with you. Floyd accepting Canelos catchweight offer was weak but 150 is a f'n joke.
Explain the problem you have with the idea? This is a serious question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
I'm sick of catch weights. Fight a guy at his weight or STFU IMO.
Canelo can't make 150 and be even remotely good anymore. He hasn't even made 154 in his last 2 fights. A fight at 150 would be a cash grab that proves absolutely nothing. Take any of the top 4 at 140 and put them in with a 150 Canelo and they win easy. Hell I'd feel confident the LW Crawford could dominate Canelo at 150 now. Canelo is only getting bigger and we saw how weak he was making 152 in September. 150 is corpse talk. It's offensive. And it's been going on for far too long from Roach.Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOedExplain the problem you have with the idea? This is a serious question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Preach on!Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
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Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Whoops read it wrong. Just woke up.
They don't want the fight.
How lame is that? Catch weights, ugh.
I'll fight Manny Pacquiao myself, but the stipulation is he has to meet me at HW.
Haha! My perfect suicide note.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Manny Pacquiao, fight me at 180.
Catch weight fights are fine in some instances, but in this case, I don't think Canelo can get under 154 easily. If Pacquiao is too small to fight at 154, that's fine, stay at 147 or below.
Don't let Floyd off so easily though. He made Canelo fight at a catchweight and bailed on a catchweight for Marquez. A-sides do this stuff all the time.
By the way, I think they should keep Manny away from punchers if they want him to win. Canelo is a bad match-up for him for that reason.
I also just read Roach prefers Danny Garcia.
Pacquiao'd still kick your heavyweight @$$, either in the ring or on the street.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
You'd be gassing after 3 minutes and lay down on your own volition.
It wouldn't be like Rocky, "Get up, one more rd, get up 'cause Mickey loves you!"
Nope, you'd go down on your own, son...
Roach has a pretty clear modus operandi and its not me saying so, its the empirical evidence. One would think that if a guy was a true pound for found fighter that he would want to challenge the bigger man at his best, not his worst. Armstrong never asked Ross to drop and Henry weighed in under 135 for that welter challenge, Greb never asked Tunney to drop a loaf. If a division is to big then stay out of it. I don't mind the odd catchweight super fight either but not for titles. Those things are watered down enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Now this would not be a title fight but it would not be a super fight either if Alvarez made 150. It would be a seal clubbing, reminiscent of the Oscar fight and about as meaningful. Manny should just go to 140 and quit expecting everyone to shrink for him. It taints every accomplishment its involved in.
Nah he'd get killed on the street. He only practices boxing, which is a limited fighting system. I do muay thai so I use all limbs hahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by bradlee180Pacquiao'd still kick your heavyweight @$$, either in the ring or on the street.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
You'd be gassing after 3 minutes and lay down on your own volition.
It wouldn't be like Rocky, "Get up, one more rd, get up 'cause Mickey loves you!"
Nope, you'd go down on your own, son...
I don't think anyone believes that Beanflicker could beat up Manny Pacquiao.
You don't know if Pacquiao does just boxing. I thought he did some training in Yaw-Yan.
There's a helluva lot of Filipino martial arts systems.
Never assume because it makes an ass of u and me...
Cash grab diva match. We're not really this hard up for marketable fights are we. That or promoters taking short cuts and in the case of fighters not making weight, all not doing their jobs.
Its almost a "distract the monkies" move....meanwhile is there any truth that K-9 Bundrage is going to get a shot at Molina and not Charlo ???
Boxing's not run in a professional manner.
It's a corrupt sport, rotten to the core, if sport it even can be called.
Anyway, we're in an era where World Championships don't mean near as much as they used to. The fights that'll make the most money are what gets made.
The fans will put up with any hose-job and keep coming back.
Anyway, fighters ought to realize just winning ain't enough. This is supposed to be entertainment.
With the exception of Mayweather, if a fighter stinks out a joint with a boring win, the masses won't pay to watch him.
People expect too much of Pacquiao.
Dude could still easily make 140 lbs, he's only about 148 lbs on fight night in the ring.
And while he's still good, he ain't what he used to be. Pacquiao's phenomenal peak ended after the 2010 Margarito fight. It's been a slow, gradual deterioration with him though.
Other guys still have all their abilities in 1 fight, and show up with literally nothing the next fight out.
Canelo?
For $#!t's sake, people are expecting a 148 pounder to fight a Light-Heavy 174 pounder.
And that's the truth, Alvarez weighed 174 lbs on fight night agaisnt Angulo a couple of months ago.
26 pounds difference.
5 weight-classes apart!
But yet, No catch-weights, no catchweights !
I wouldn't even be so bold as to say I'd whip Pacquaio in a muay thai match.Quote:
Originally Posted by bradlee180
But if Pacquaio was made to gain 50lbs of just bulk and fat, I'd kill him, assuming he didn't die of a heart attack while gaining the weight.
Job biscuit (muay thai > boxing)
Eh! Eh!
Pacquiao was 151 lbs on fight-night HBO's unofficial scale against Bradley last month.
Alvarez was 174 lbs on fight-night on Showtime's unofficial scale against Angulo 2 months ago.
Welter - Pacquiao
Light-Middle
Middle
Super-Middle
Light-Heavy - Canelo Alvarez
This $#!t's ridiculous, y'know, effin' day-before-weigh-in $#!t.
What a stupid idea that was when they did that in the mid-80s.
He doesn't need to put on any weight to whup your @$$..Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerI wouldn't even be so bold as to say I'd whip Pacquaio in a muay thai match.Quote:
Originally Posted by bradlee180
But if Pacquaio was made to gain 50lbs of just bulk and fat, I'd kill him, assuming he didn't die of a heart attack while gaining the weight.
Job biscuit (muay thai > boxing)
Eh! Eh!
I don't believe he'd have time to break a sweat taking you out.
Wait... didn't Floyd just fight this guy at 152? what is the difference? and don't say 2 lbs 150 is a starting point.
He wasn't in his best form at 152. How can he be expected to be in his best form at 150?Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
I think some guys and the ones who can afford it train with consideration to coming in heavy nowadays. The fine, the weight is a manipulation and calculated. Broner v Escobedo was a hoodwink and a farce. One guy busts his ass to make weight, the little known guy clamoring for a upset...and the fat tart star knew all along he was blowing weight not once, but twice. Meanwhile Escobedo was needing to literally eat a full stuff crust pizza to pack on in the A.M. All catchweights do is blur and obscure any restriction or guidelines left in this circus. We complain about 8, 16 weight classes but now its more like 20 plus on any given rotation, often a mere lb being the point of contention as with Garcia and Matthysse. Loser keeps a trinket, loser keeps a ranking, its basically like trying to have it both ways. When I think catchweight I think the very best in one division facing another and a meet in the middle. But now its a large portion of ego stroking, network dealings to keep two "stars" happy-willing and tunnel vision strictly on name value but not a lot to best of the best. Alvarez has no business...well no ring business..being below 154. Manny is maxed at 144-147? and being stung early by wild man Bradley. Its a terd of a "match" if they propose to float it.Quote:
Originally Posted by bradlee180
does anybody else think that el chocolatito should call out pac at a catchweight of 120 pounds? i think thats fair. if pac refuses then its an obvious duck.
What an idiot if you think 2 lbs is nothing then you do not know boxing. The second point is you asking the bigger fighter to come down even more. What the hell what are 4 lbs to add? Just have PAC woof a couple of doubles at Fatburger down. If you are the smaller guy and you wanna pick on the bigger guy man up! I am certain Canelo learned his lesson about catch weight and will not drop 2 more pounds. Factor in ODLH already made mistake and dropped insane pornographic weight to fight PAC.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
I think it is a simple fight for Pac. Canelo showed his limitations against Floyd and Pac is faster, stronger, slick too. Just unload, walk, reset, ad infinitum. Canelo is much bigger, but he couldn't tough out Floyd. Manny is almost the same, both a different league to Canelo.
Yeah PAC now needs to offer catch weight to up and coming champions like they did to himQuote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
Just have Canelo cut off his limbs same idiotic thing
You've had some good posts in this thread but this is absolute garbage. There is no point in a Canelo fight at 150. Canelo can't fight at 150. Manny can so don't make him the victim.Quote:
Originally Posted by bradlee180
There is a long history that does nothing to hide what's going on. Clottey, sure we can fight him at 147, Cotto well we have to make that 145, Shane "can you make 142?". Manny has been a phenomenon but don't hide from the fact Roach has been blatant with attempts to handicap opponents. And just how handicapped they have to be varies by the perceived threat. Just be honest, this isn't even an attack on Manny it's an attack on the sport and Roach in particular.
150 would be a farce. Canelo would have no speed or power. He'd be gassed in the 1st round like ODLH was. This nonsense needs to stop. If you want to fight someone fight them, don't decide just how much you need to weaken them and fight them under BS restrictions.
If you can't fight them at their weight don't fight them it's simple. And people playing the little guy is the victim card are either liars or ignorant. Little men have moved up with great success all through boxing history. People losing weight have historically struggled. The bigger guy shrinking is without a doubt the victim.
If canelo is dumb enough to sign the contract, then he deserves to get mashed. Cant come with excuses causes you decided to fight a catch weight fight...that is not mandatory.
I think Rigo should call out Pac and Floyd at a catchweight of 134 :DQuote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
Do you have any idea how much money this would make for canelo?
Canelo already had the biggest fight of his life with floyd so now oscar and bob arum are slowly edging out richard schafer there is a real possibility of this fight to make these guys there biggest paydays (exc floyd)
Roach and arum couldnt careless what anyone thinks about catchweights as they still have a fighter that can demand anything from any other fighter out there(exc floyd)
Canelo will make weight somehow (IF he can beat Lara) as the money is everything right now for these fighters.
Pac needs marquez or canelo next to get his numbers up there.
Canelo needs pac or cotto next to continue his huge paydays and increasing popularity.
As RANCATRAT said floyd isnt innocent and also had a catchweight fight with canelo (that canelos team suggested) but no one has had as many catchweights as manny.
I don't hear alvarez complaining...plus 152 was his idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratHe wasn't in his best form at 152. How can he be expected to be in his best form at 150?Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
Canelo's stanima at 152 was better than we've seen.