Can froch ever beat Ward?

I hate froch style but I really like him as a person and as a hard fighter.

Ignore all the noise about Ward not filling seats etc and look into the mindset of carl froch.

I truly believe carl has ducked no one and was calling out JC many moons ago like groves was doing to froch.

Froch has a toughness about him in a steve collins type way (but better!)

He has had such a great career and deserves every ounch of respect but I know as a warrior he would want another shot at ward.

Is he now thinking its easier to finish his career with high paydays against kessler and chavez or possibly ggg before he retires OR does he really think he can do a number on the inactive number 2 in the world (froch gets better in any rematch!)

Help me with this..

Froch has absolutely no chance of beating Ward. End of story.
That's why he wants to fight Chavez in Vegas, and if that falls through, it'll be Froch vs Kessler 3. I don't begrudge him that end to his career, but let's not kid ourselves into thinking he has a chance against Ward .

No he can't :p

He's done pretty well.in the two rematches had so far...

People say no because they're stupid. Andre award is a better fighter than Froch and if both are performing Ward wins. But it's a fight anything can happen in a fight! Of course there is a 10% chance Froch lands a big shot, or Ward has an off night, slips or gets injured. Ward is the better fighter but anything can happen! Chorales beat Castillo after getting outboxed! Castillo proved to be the better fighter in the rematch despite being over weight.

Yes of course he can. It is pretty unlikely but not impossible, people have off nights, the most unexpected knockouts happen. Has Ward even sorted out his promotion/management problems yet?

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Originally Posted by piye

People say no because they're stupid. Andre award is a better fighter than Froch and if both are performing Ward wins. But it's a fight anything can happen in a fight! Of course there is a 10% chance Froch lands a big shot, or Ward has an off night, slips or gets injured. Ward is the better fighter but anything can happen! Chorales beat Castillo after getting outboxed! Castillo proved to be the better fighter in the rematch despite being over weight.

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Ok. Nitpick if you like . Of Course we're stupid because as you point out "nothing is impossible" :rolleyes: I'll tell you what's stupid, trying to justify a fight when someone has a "10% chance of landing a big shot". You know what we mean .

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Originally Posted by piye

People say no because they're stupid. Andre award is a better fighter than Froch and if both are performing Ward wins. But it's a fight anything can happen in a fight! Of course there is a 10% chance Froch lands a big shot, or Ward has an off night, slips or gets injured. Ward is the better fighter but anything can happen! Chorales beat Castillo after getting outboxed! Castillo proved to be the better fighter in the rematch despite being over weight.

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10% is being generous. i would say that its probably south of 5% that he will land a shot and KO ward.

i would be very surprised if froch beat ward.

I suppose you would have to give him a punchers chance, that shot he landed on Groves would have put anyone down. However that's also the problem as I don't see him being able to land a shot like that on Ward, he is too quick and too clever. I reckon it would just be a similar fight and similar outcome to their first match

If Ward were to dislocate a shoulder or sprain a knee than the fight would be stop in Froch favor. So yeah Froch has a chance

Close to no chance.

I might watch the ward/froch fight again just to see if carl had any advantages?!

Ward is to much for Froch and boxers just give him trouble i would rather him fight Bika or rematch Kessler those fights would be interesting and most likely get more money. Calzaghe was like done when Froch called him out and was fighting no one at the time just to get his name out there.

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Originally Posted by imp

I hate froch style but I really like him as a person and as a hard fighter.

Ignore all the noise about Ward not filling seats etc and look into the mindset of carl froch.

I truly believe carl has ducked no one and was calling out JC many moons ago like groves was doing to froch.

Froch has a toughness about him in a steve collins type way (but better!)

He has had such a great career and deserves every ounch of respect but I know as a warrior he would want another shot at ward.

Is he now thinking its easier to finish his career with high paydays against kessler and chavez or possibly ggg before he retires OR does he really think he can do a number on the inactive number 2 in the world (froch gets better in any rematch!)

Help me with this..

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I was waiting for him to call out Ward when asked. Froch then deflected to Hearn. Froch has earned the right to do that. He could be thinking purely business at this point in his career to ensure he's not signing gloves at a flea market in ten years.

Legacy wise he should unify starting with Bika. But being undisputed may not be his priority at this point. In addition that is probably where the road to undisputed ends because Arthur Abraham is not going to fight Froch even if you offered him Bavaria. Having 3 trinkets is cool though and it ties Joe.

He probably makes twice as much money fighting Chavez creeping into double digits. Trouble is, losing to him would almost erase all of his past accomplishments in the eyes of a great many pundits.
In addition Carl might have to agree to a 175 pound catch weight, fight in Texas and be prepared to face a guy getting close to 200 on fight night with a titanium chin.

Then there is Ward and the fight in Vegas you have longed for and the redemption a warrior like him surly seeks. It probably makes as much as Chavez and has meaning. Not only that Ward has been essentially composting since 2011.;D Probably no better timing for Carl to attempt it.

Maybe if Ward goes into the fight with two broken hands then Froch has a chance.

Ward has the Hopkins-like ability to take away the jab of fighters with very good jabs. Without the jab Froch is just a slow-footed fighter with rubbish technique albeit hard/tough/warrior blah blah. Froch didn't beat a pound for pound guy last weekend, Groves hasn't shown he can even last twelve rounds at world level yet. Ward is on another level to Froch, or at least the pre shoulder injury pre layoff Ward was.

You can never say never but he has a slim chance of winning. I like the way Froch and Hearn are trying to pretend ward does not exist, or say he will not fill a stadium because they know Froch will not beat Ward.

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Maybe if Ward goes into the fight with two broken hands then Froch has a chance.

Ward has the Hopkins-like ability to take away the jab of fighters with very good jabs. Without the jab Froch is just a slow-footed fighter with rubbish technique albeit hard/tough/warrior blah blah. Froch didn't beat a pound for pound guy last weekend, Groves hasn't shown he can even last twelve rounds at world level yet. Ward is on another level to Froch, or at least the pre shoulder injury pre layoff Ward was.

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The shoulder injury was somewhat of an excuse because since his shoulder injury, Ward doesn't use that arm very much.

To the OP's question, no, Froch cannot beat Ward on most days. Ward is the best of this era's super middleweights, and Froch is the second best. Ward should move up in weight. Froch probably has put together a HOF career by the way.

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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

Froch has absolutely no chance of beating Ward. End of story.
That's why he wants to fight Chavez in Vegas, and if that falls through, it'll be Froch vs Kessler 3. I don't begrudge him that end to his career, but let's not kid ourselves into thinking he has a chance against Ward .

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Stop acting like Ward is Hagler or some shit.

Of Course Froch has a chance to beat Ward.

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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Maybe if Ward goes into the fight with two broken hands then Froch has a chance.

Ward has the Hopkins-like ability to take away the jab of fighters with very good jabs. Without the jab Froch is just a slow-footed fighter with rubbish technique albeit hard/tough/warrior blah blah. Froch didn't beat a pound for pound guy last weekend, Groves hasn't shown he can even last twelve rounds at world level yet. Ward is on another level to Froch, or at least the pre shoulder injury pre layoff Ward was.

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The shoulder injury was somewhat of an excuse because since his shoulder injury, Ward doesn't use that arm very much.

To the OP's question, no, Froch cannot beat Ward on most days. Ward is the best of this era's super middleweights, and Froch is the second best. Ward should move up in weight. Froch probably has put together a HOF career by the way.

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Why Ward move up?

Why can't Froch?

Or GG's overrated ass...why can't he move up?

Ward cant move up yet.
His body isnt ready.

I watched the ward vs froch fight again and gave it 9-3 ward.

Froch was still strong in the last round but that really meant nothing to the overall picture.

Froch takes so many shots and I dont see him beating ward no matter how much I like them both.

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Originally Posted by cyclone

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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

Froch has absolutely no chance of beating Ward. End of story.
That's why he wants to fight Chavez in Vegas, and if that falls through, it'll be Froch vs Kessler 3. I don't begrudge him that end to his career, but let's not kid ourselves into thinking he has a chance against Ward .

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Stop acting like Ward is Hagler or some shit.

Of Course Froch has a chance to beat Ward.

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As Primo Carnera has already said obviously he has a chance but in reality it is very slim.

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Originally Posted by cyclone

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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera

Froch has absolutely no chance of beating Ward. End of story.
That's why he wants to fight Chavez in Vegas, and if that falls through, it'll be Froch vs Kessler 3. I don't begrudge him that end to his career, but let's not kid ourselves into thinking he has a chance against Ward .

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Stop acting like Ward is Hagler or some shit.

Of Course Froch has a chance to beat Ward.

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As Primo Carnera has already said obviously he has a chance but in reality it is very slim.

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As long as Ward stays off the ropes.

Honestly if he can not beat Ward or move up and be the man at 175 i not sure why Froch be in the hall of fame. He not very popular fighter world wide for most of his career and he was never the man in his division he was behind Ward and Kessler for a while. Froch wasted a very good portion of his career and really did not fight anyone worth a note or even ranked in long time of fighting. I mean that changed he beat Taylor but i mean what was he at smw nothing same with Abrham was not really success a smw. He beat Bute, Pascal, and Kessler he is tied with i think his career is good but not really great.

froch could make it into the HOF just because the HOF is a joke. he isnt really even that great of a fighter. he is a good fighter. he has shown that his grit can get him through some fights and has shown that he lacks some essential components to be great. again, ward beats him at least 9/10.

I'd prefer to see Froch against Junior or GGG first. We've seen Froch fight Ward already and it wasn't too close. Ward is a great fighter and he'll carve out a great career once he fixes his legal dispute with Goosen. Before that happens, he can't fight anyway. Froch-Junior would be terrific in Vegas. I don't really need to see Kessler against Froch again because Kessler wasn't the same in the last fight. GGG moving up in weight to face Froch has the making for a barn burner.

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Originally Posted by powerpuncher

froch could make it into the HOF just because the HOF is a joke. he isnt really even that great of a fighter. he is a good fighter. he has shown that his grit can get him through some fights and has shown that he lacks some essential components to be great. again, ward beats him at least 9/10.

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Ward will get in too.

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Originally Posted by powerpuncher

froch could make it into the HOF just because the HOF is a joke. he isnt really even that great of a fighter. he is a good fighter. he has shown that his grit can get him through some fights and has shown that he lacks some essential components to be great. again, ward beats him at least 9/10.

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Froch now deserves a seat at the table though of the great British super middleweights, Benn, Eubank, Calzaghe etc. I'm not arguing he's the best, but he's at the table.

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Originally Posted by powerpuncher

froch could make it into the HOF just because the HOF is a joke. he isnt really even that great of a fighter. he is a good fighter. he has shown that his grit can get him through some fights and has shown that he lacks some essential components to be great. again, ward beats him at least 9/10.

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Froch now deserves a seat at the table though of the great British super middleweights, Benn, Eubank, Calzaghe etc. I'm not arguing he's the best, but he's at the table.

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thats fine but im just stating the fact that the general boxing HOF is a joke anyways so froch will most likely get in even though he in no way deserves it IMO. a lot of fighters in there done deserve to be in there.

Ward would win at least 7 times out of 10.

Ward has an abundance of practical mechanics that would keep Froch short of going through his usual motions.... Froch would really need to look at what he does with his feet, his use of range and levels (all of which are just to far back along the developmental line at this point) to have a notable chance of winning.

Having said that, I would like to see him get the rematch. I'm hoping he is/ has learned to listen to Rob McCracken who I think is a very good trainer and so maybe a rematch would be a bit more competitive than the last.

I will say now (as I have before) that I don't really care for ''if's and but's'', particularly where injuries are concerned, so the whole broken hand thing is a non point for me... Who's to say Ward wouldn't break two hands next time. That would only leave his head. Which would make it a much fairer fight ;D

He certainly can, now is the time to do it, he is at the very peak of his career, he wants to go out ona high and I think froch will beat him.