She had it 114-114 in the Loma-Russell fight. WTF!!!!!!!!
C.J. Ross is a retired boxing judge who drew criticism for a series of questionable fighting decisions in high profile matchups, including Mayweather vs Canelo and Pacquiao vs Bradley.
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She had it 114-114 in the Loma-Russell fight. WTF!!!!!!!!
C.J. Ross is a retired boxing judge who drew criticism for a series of questionable fighting decisions in high profile matchups, including Mayweather vs Canelo and Pacquiao vs Bradley.
It takes drowning nearly to death as an infant and suffering severe brain damage to be as bad as C.J. Ross. That bitch is either blind or she was tied in with some nasty sort of fellas.
114 - 114 was a disgrace and quite frankly it pushes womens involvement in sport back by years
This is why women should not be involved in judging boxing matches, figure skating yes, boxing no.
There are male judges equally as bad as these women. Theres also a shitload of men on this forum who cannot score a fight for their lives, so it is not a sex thing. I do think judges should have some experience with boxing (eg former boxer/trainer etc themselves before they can even apply to become a judge. Im pretty sure CJ Ross had none.
Well.. from one decision I can't say yes or no, but Checking boxrec, she has a history of these kind of decisions. Scoring the fights closer than the other 2 judges in most of her fights. With the benefit of her husband's experience, she should definitely not be making these kind of gaffes.
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One thing I will say is it seems more and more common now for that one judge to go the other way, when you have a tough exciting fight. I dont know if: a.)they're paid for their vote and follow through no matter what the result so they can be approached again on another fight. b.)Are trying to keep the young names alive for the future of boxing or c.) trying to keep a shred of doubt there to justify rematch possibilities. Its probably none of the three or it could be all of the 3.
The more common explanation. She bit on the flashy shoe-shining by Russell, which had my thinking my TV was off or something when he exhaled like 6 times and threw 3 punches in those flurries. :confused:
Exactly, it has nothing to do with male/female. And moronic suggestions that it does serve no purpose other than to say "look, I'm a caveman who's never picked up a book".Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
She is a bit like Roy Hogson likes a DRAW.:vd:
Lisa Giampa is either incompetent or she was paid off by Al Haymon.
Russell hardly landed any clean effective punches. Lomachenko out-landed him in every round but one.
I scored it 118-110 for Lomachenko.
I havent seen the fight yet and just about to watch it now but u were as far off the 2 judges as Giampa wasQuote:
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I had it 117-111
114-114 was scoring via braille while drunk. But it has nothing to do with sex. The only sex here is yet another fighter nearly being fooked by suspect judging in a system with no accountability. I had 118-110
Maybe broads just don't know how to score fucking fights. Julie Lederman is good but she has it in here genes.
Remember Eugenia Williams scored the Holyfield/Lewis fight in Evander's favour way back in the day too.
That was the excuse Eugenia Williams used when Lennox for Holyfield the first time that she saw the back of the fighter and not the punches.
Chuck Giampa, Lisa's husband, works for The Ring magazine, which is owned by Golden Boy, Russell's promoter.
I gave Russell, 3 rounds, a case can be made for 4.
Boxing needs to change. They need to use technology so judges can make more informed calls. You have to remember judges get to see it from one angle once. Its not so easy. If a boxer has hs back to you at the other side of the ring and you cant see the punches land you cant score them.
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There it is.!!!!!!!!!!!
I just saw this:
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Someone in #boxing points out: Lisa Giampa, wife of Chuck Giampa, who works for Ring Magazine (owned by GBP) which had interest in Russell..
Maybe broads just don't know how to score fucking fights. Julie Lederman is good but she has it in here genes.
Remember Eugenia Williams scored the Holyfield/Lewis fight in Evander's favour way back in the day too.
That was the excuse Eugenia Williams used when Lennox for Holyfield the first time that she saw the back of the fighter and not the punches.
About 5 % of Judges are women and yet women are responsible for 90% of blown calls on a per person % basis. Harold's daughter is a better judge then he is but he's a paid lackey. I mean how is it Byrd still works after Holyfield/Lewis? Because its probably politically incorrect to fire her or any other women. It may sound sexist but imo women are simply not good boxing judges. Face in this world of "equality" at any cost we have to come to grips with the fact that there are things one sex is simply better at.
Giampa and any other hack judge regardless of sex ought to be taken to task immediately after the fight and I'm not sure why this does not happen routinely. These people operate cart blanche and answer to no one which is ridiculous considering what this sport is all about.
well cj ross scored floyd/canelo a draw which was definitely worse so he still beats lisa giampa as worse score. at least russell won some rounds. canelo maybe won one.
i do agree though that it seems like the women judges are always messing things up. yes, men judges do to but for how few women judges there are, i hear about them creating bad decisions all the time.
I agree Russell was not as poor as many are saying but the majority of rounds were clearly dominated by Lomachenko. I think given people's different interpretations of scoring you could quite easily give the young American 4 rounds but anything more than that and you are either delusional or working for an agenda other than the fair and transparent scoring of a public boxing match. You are right also to point out how antiquated and compromised being sat ringside in one position is but remember that VT editors and TV producers will use selective angles also, so a monitor and a ring side view would seem to be a sensible starting point. That and a truly neutral, unconnected set of judges.Quote:
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i hate the excuse that the judging might be bad because of their location. they may not see the punches from the angles that we see them. the problem with that theory is its so easily fixable if it were true. make ross and giampa watch their fights again and let them admit that by watching it again that their scoring was thrown off by their angle of the ring and that they now understand the error of their scoring. then the commissions or whoever deals with that stuff can ask the other judges their opinion of their seating arrangements and how it affects how the fight is scored.
it wouldnt take very long and if is really seen as a problem then fix it. if not, then fire the bad judges.
From being front row at a few fights I can say the angel does play a part. I have scored fights differently at fights and then after watching replay on tele, both amateur and pro fights. Another huge factor is crowd reaction etc. For me judges shouldnt be at ringside, they should be in separate rooms with a TV monitor.Quote:
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C.J. Ross is the Mt. Everest of boxing incompetence. But she's not entirely to be blamed for the Mayweather-Canelo scoring. Rumor has it she had been fondling herself to Canelo posters leading up to the fight, compounding that by consuming several pints of hard liquour before the fight, and finally... accidentally blinding herself in the ladies' room while applying her mascara and getting bumped from behind.
Besides... I'm sure she was paid handsomely before the fight by Canelo's cartel/ hype machine to make sure she did her damned best to give the fight to Canelo.
I made a mistake it was Eugene Williams not Byrd in Lewis/Holy and her excuse was that she was blocked for much of the fight and apparently blind completely in round 5.
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Yes, being blind seems a plausible excuse!
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Originally Posted by holmcall
C.J. Ross is the Mt. Everest of boxing incompetence. But she's not entirely to be blamed for the Mayweather-Canelo scoring. Rumor has it she had been fondling herself to Canelo posters leading up to the fight, compounding that by consuming several pints of hard liquour before the fight, and finally... accidentally blinding herself in the ladies' room while applying her mascara and getting bumped from behind.
Besides... I'm sure she was paid handsomely before the fight by Canelo's cartel/ hype machine to make sure she did her damned best to give the fight to Canelo.
Hmm. Rumor has it she is now living in a Mexican villa with Yori Boy Campas. Go figure.
Can you imagine what difference what be made if every shitty judge without tits received as much scrutiny and calling out :headscratch:
New rule, every crap judge without tits well, is a tit. Remember them and make threads about them ;D
Now, now my friend. The brush you are using here seems as large or larger in its stroke then the one actually being used in the complaint. Not every criticism of a women is sexist. Scientifically speaking there are both physical and cerebral differences between men and women. Our brains are wired differently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Equality is a nice concept and also physically and mentally impossible. Its my contention that women are terrible boxing judges and also that there is nothing they can do about it. Of course there are exceptions. There are simply things that one does better then the other and judging a boxing match is one of them. I also think about 10 different disciplines in Science would have my back on that. Nothing to do with vaginas and dicks.
Its most likely a brain function because women use both sides of the brain for many of the same functions men reserve a spot for. A product of evolution I suppose. I routinely call out hack judges and they are most definitely men as a rule but that's just based on the basic math.
Men dwarf women in the scum bag judge category and men are much more likely to be bought for their incompetence whereas women are simply not capable of the fixation needed. I think thats exactly what happened to Williams based on her own testimony. Its like she was guessing and it came ought a draw. I don't think a blank card has every been handed in. Can you imagine?;D Handing in 12 blank round cards to the official score keeper lol. Some of these Vegas good ole boys and production affiliated judges are probably handed job expectation memos once every 6 months.
I had to clarify because things can be taken and placed out of context. And ftr, overall I believe women are superior to men largely because they are more in touch with their emotions and I believe their brains have evolved more. Its not hard to predict a time when we are nothing but sperm producers. And I bet they still wont be able to judge a boxing match;)
The fact remains and is non-controvertible that Ross, Williams, and now Giampa have been inducted into the Blind Judges Hall of Shame (located in Texas) along with Gale Van Hoy, Duane Ford, Roger Tilleman, Pierluigi Poppi, Mikael Hook, Guillermo Perez, Calvin Claxon, Lawrence Layton, Ron McNair, Frank Lombardi an d many others.
Isn't it odd that you hear the same 5 or 6 names for every big fight?
Roth, Giampa, Ross, Hongtonkam (whatever), Byrd, Christodolou... ???
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Yes. Just confirms what a political morass this is. Choosing judges is one of the most political actions a Commission can make. Putrid.
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Good point. Boxing would do itself a lot of good if it were to concentrate its efforts on getting more and/or better judges. It can't be all that difficult to do. Other sports constantly evaluate their judges/refs/whatever, and weed out the riff-raff.... trying to make sure to have the very best out there. Competitive sports are tough enough without having to contend with incompetent judges.... but it's even more magnified in boxing. Think of the poor bastard who trains for months, leaves it all out in the ring, taking a good beating in the process.... only to get cheated out of a well-deserved decision by an incompetent and/or crooked judge.