Is Lisa Giampa as bad as C.J. Ross?

[Silkeyjoe]

I gave Russell, 3 rounds, a case can be made for 4.

Boxing needs to change. They need to use technology so judges can make more informed calls. You have to remember judges get to see it from one angle once. Its not so easy. If a boxer has hs back to you at the other side of the ring and you cant see the punches land you cant score them.

[IamInuit]

About 5 % of Judges are women and yet women are responsible for 90% of blown calls on a per person % basis. Harold's daughter is a better judge then he is but he's a paid lackey. I mean how is it Byrd still works after Holyfield/Lewis? Because its probably politically incorrect to fire her or any other women. It may sound sexist but imo women are simply not good boxing judges. Face in this world of "equality" at any cost we have to come to grips with the fact that there are things one sex is simply better at.

Giampa and any other hack judge regardless of sex ought to be taken to task immediately after the fight and I'm not sure why this does not happen routinely. These people operate cart blanche and answer to no one which is ridiculous considering what this sport is all about.

[powerpuncher]

well cj ross scored floyd/canelo a draw which was definitely worse so he still beats lisa giampa as worse score. at least russell won some rounds. canelo maybe won one.

i do agree though that it seems like the women judges are always messing things up. yes, men judges do to but for how few women judges there are, i hear about them creating bad decisions all the time.

[Beanz]

I gave Russell, 3 rounds, a case can be made for 4.

Boxing needs to change. They need to use technology so judges can make more informed calls. You have to remember judges get to see it from one angle once. Its not so easy. If a boxer has hs back to you at the other side of the ring and you cant see the punches land you cant score them.

I agree Russell was not as poor as many are saying but the majority of rounds were clearly dominated by Lomachenko. I think given people's different interpretations of scoring you could quite easily give the young American 4 rounds but anything more than that and you are either delusional or working for an agenda other than the fair and transparent scoring of a public boxing match. You are right also to point out how antiquated and compromised being sat ringside in one position is but remember that VT editors and TV producers will use selective angles also, so a monitor and a ring side view would seem to be a sensible starting point. That and a truly neutral, unconnected set of judges.

[powerpuncher]

i hate the excuse that the judging might be bad because of their location. they may not see the punches from the angles that we see them. the problem with that theory is its so easily fixable if it were true. make ross and giampa watch their fights again and let them admit that by watching it again that their scoring was thrown off by their angle of the ring and that they now understand the error of their scoring. then the commissions or whoever deals with that stuff can ask the other judges their opinion of their seating arrangements and how it affects how the fight is scored.

it wouldnt take very long and if is really seen as a problem then fix it. if not, then fire the bad judges.

[Silkeyjoe]

i hate the excuse that the judging might be bad because of their location. they may not see the punches from the angles that we see them. the problem with that theory is its so easily fixable if it were true. make ross and giampa watch their fights again and let them admit that by watching it again that their scoring was thrown off by their angle of the ring and that they now understand the error of their scoring. then the commissions or whoever deals with that stuff can ask the other judges their opinion of their seating arrangements and how it affects how the fight is scored.

it wouldnt take very long and if is really seen as a problem then fix it. if not, then fire the bad judges.

From being front row at a few fights I can say the angel does play a part. I have scored fights differently at fights and then after watching replay on tele, both amateur and pro fights. Another huge factor is crowd reaction etc. For me judges shouldnt be at ringside, they should be in separate rooms with a TV monitor.

[IamInuit]

I made a mistake it was Eugene Williams not Byrd in Lewis/Holy and her excuse was that she was blocked for much of the fight and apparently blind completely in round 5.

[holmcall]

I made a mistake it was Eugene Williams not Byrd in Lewis/Holy and her excuse was that she was blocked for much of the fight and apparently blind completely in round 5.

Yes, being blind seems a plausible excuse!

[ykdadamaja]

Isn't it odd that you hear the same 5 or 6 names for every big fight?

Roth, Giampa, Ross, Hongtonkam (whatever), Byrd, Christodolou...

[holmcall]

Isn't it odd that you hear the same 5 or 6 names for every big fight?

Roth, Giampa, Ross, Hongtonkam (whatever), Byrd, Christodolou...

Yes. Just confirms what a political morass this is. Choosing judges is one of the most political actions a Commission can make. Putrid.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Atf4POJaBI

[TitoFan]

Isn't it odd that you hear the same 5 or 6 names for every big fight?

Roth, Giampa, Ross, Hongtonkam (whatever), Byrd, Christodolou...

Good point. Boxing would do itself a lot of good if it were to concentrate its efforts on getting more and/or better judges. It can't be all that difficult to do. Other sports constantly evaluate their judges/refs/whatever, and weed out the riff-raff.... trying to make sure to have the very best out there. Competitive sports are tough enough without having to contend with incompetent judges.... but it's even more magnified in boxing. Think of the poor bastard who trains for months, leaves it all out in the ring, taking a good beating in the process.... only to get cheated out of a well-deserved decision by an incompetent and/or crooked judge.