How good would you say it is? I think it's pretty good. Even without fighting everyone, he still has wins over:
Canelo
Hatton
Marquez
Guerrero
Judah
Hernandez
Corrales
Manfredy
Cotto
Castillo
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How good would you say it is? I think it's pretty good. Even without fighting everyone, he still has wins over:
Canelo
Hatton
Marquez
Guerrero
Judah
Hernandez
Corrales
Manfredy
Cotto
Castillo
It's a great resume. People are always going to nitpick, but at the end of the day Floyd has been a world champion since 1998 and has fought nothing but other champions and top 10 contenders since. And not only has he never lost, the fights there were competitive over the last 16 years you can count on one hand.
I would favor Floyd over Quillin at MW.
Not that great.
Bit overrated if you ask me.
Solid resume. Not as great as those trying to claim he is the GOAT, but definitely respectable. Not as weak as Roy Jones, who is another guy people try to say is the GOAT. I would've liked to have seen Floyd fight Kostya, Stevie Johnston, Paul Williams, Margarito, and Mosely earlier (Floyd tried but Shane turned it down) but u can't fight everyone and some of those guys were the reason the fight didn't happen. The one missed fight I blame him for is the Manny fight, but to be fair Manny had something to do with that as well. Overall Dloyd has beaten some decent competition and is an ATG.
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I've been following boxing and posting at boxing forums for 11 years and I've never heard or seen anybody ever claim Roy Jones was the greatest of all time.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeod
Max kellerman, during his last radio show prior to going to espn, said Roy was the goat. I used to chat on the espn forum n guys there would frequently say the same. So, maybe you've never heard that, but many have said it. The point of bringing Roy into the discussion, is that he faced weak competition.
James Toney, 44-0, was ranked number 2 P4P at the time Jones fought him. Jones was ranked number 3. Toney entered as a slight fav.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeod
This single win is far more impressive then any Floyd has.
Where can I find a clip of this radio show? Last thing I remember was Max Kellerman getting shit for accusing Roy of only having a great career because he faced weak opposition. Strange that he would change his tune and now call Roy the greatest ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeod
Roy's competition wasn't as good as Floyd's but it was a LOT better than people give him credit for.
There wasn't a James Toney in floyds division just like there wasn't a diego corrales etc in Roys division.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeJames Toney, 44-0, was ranked number 2 P4P at the time Jones fought him. Jones was ranked number 3. Toney entered as a slight fav.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeod
This single win is far more impressive then any Floyd has.
I love Roy.
But for longevity floyd has the better style..
Floyd could have fought Manny, JMM at the weight contracted, Hatton at light welter, Casamajor and Freitas. He also retired for a couple of years and he never fought abroad.
His biggest achievement is going up at light middle and beating Oscar and Canelo because that is his unnatural weight.
Why is it Floyd's fault those fights never happened? Other than the JMM one of course... do you REALLY think coming in on weight would have made a difference in the outcome? ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
The Ricky Hatton one always makes me laugh too, considering that Floyd isn't even a true WW anyway.
I've heard of weight cutting weakening fighters, but I've never heard the excuse that not having to cut weight weakened a fighter lol
Floyd haters will always go above and beyond the realms of logic.
If Floyd was not a true welter then why did he fight Hatton at welterweight? Floyd was a true welterweight that is the answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerWhy is it Floyd's fault those fights never happened? Other than the JMM one of course... do you REALLY think coming in on weight would have made a difference in the outcome? ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
The Ricky Hatton one always makes me laugh too, considering that Floyd isn't even a true WW anyway.
I've heard of weight cutting weakening fighters, but I've never heard the excuse that not having to cut weight weakened a fighter lol
Floyd haters will always go above and beyond the realms of logic.
Why do you get hurt when people critique Floyds resume?
Crucify me if to you want but.....
.....he needs that Manny fight.
It wouldn't make much difference now.Quote:
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Edit: I think Lara would get him more credit at this stage.
Tszyu at 140 would have been a nice addition :-X
You are right forgot that omission in Floyds career as Kostya Tszyu was clearly the man not Gatti. Remember Floyd blubbering like a little girl when he beat Arturo which was over the top from him.Quote:
Originally Posted by La Cucaracha
Floyd has 3 more fights for everyone to pick holes in.
He will never please everyone.
No boxer has ever pleased everyone.
True. Those holes look more like caves sometimes when he states he is the GOAT.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
I would have liked:
Dorin (undefeated belt holder) or Spadafora (undefeated belt holder) over Sosa and Ndou at 135 :D
Judah (who had beat Corley) Harris (undefated belt holder) and Tszyu (lineal champ) over Corley, Bruseles and Gatti at 140 ;)
Margarito and Spinks (before he lost to Judah) over Mitchell and Baldomir at 147 ;D
:-X
Baldomir, Gatti, Brussel sprout. These are prime reasons why I cannot take Floyd seriously and then there are the fights calling people out once or twice above their own weight class. Floyd has about 10 flaws in his record since becoming champ for the first time. He's not the only one, but Calzaghe doesn't claim to be the best ever. Mayweather is fraudulent in that regard. Even Khan did better with Maidana.
Yeah, obviously Floyd was good, nobody questions that, but just how good we'll never know because he avoided virtually all the best prime challenges from 2002 (post-Castillo) till 2011 (Victor Ortiz).
In those 8 years, the sole top prime dangerous guy he fought was Ricky Hatton.
During those 8 years, Floyd fought decent fighters, just not the elite fighters.
He probably would have beat most of those guys anyway, but speculating ain't doing.
Very true, his resume is a great one, but to be the GOAT he needs an undisputed one which would of included a prime Manny and a few others as mentioned.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterTrue. Those holes look more like caves sometimes when he states he is the GOAT.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
Even if almost everyone here thinks Margarito is shit when Floyd was offered 8 million to fight him (Floyd denied it) he was the most dangerous fighter in the division. That would have been a career high purse for him so it doesn't make much sense
Floyd got $8 million for fighting Baldimor who was the lineal welterweight champion at the time and Floyd was getting away from Arum. So I understand why Floyd would do what he did but never understood why he fought Judah who had already lost to Baldimor when he could have fought someone like Margarito or even Paul Williams.Quote:
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I don't get hurt. If someone says something stupid, I refute it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
When people say that Hatton was somehow diminished or not at his best because they fought at 147 instead of 140, that's stupid. It's completely idiotic when you put it up against common boxing knowledge.
And as far as Floyd being a true WW, that simply isn't true. He's a true WW in the sense that he is naturally 147, but that's not how boxing works due to weight cutting. A true WW is not a 147lb guy. A true WW is around or exceeding 160lbs. This has been shown with basically every "same day weight" statistic that HBO or another network has shown. Floyd is routinely out-weighed by upwards of 10lbs pretty much every time he fights.
He was outweighed by Ricky Hatton on fight day as well.
Most of his opponents were just fine until he schooled them.Quote:
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They were all either champs or top 10 fighters, so I don't know what your definition of "elite" is.
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So because he fought 3 questionable guys in 2005 and 2006, you can't take a guy seriously who's gone 18 years undefeated in the sport of boxing (including 16 years as a champ), has shown in-ring skills that are superior to anything we've seen since probably Sugar Ray Robinson, and drawn more money for boxing than anyone in the history of the sport?
And as far as Floyd calling out smaller guys... pretty much everyone Floyd fights is bigger than he is.
And do you know that back when Floyd was fighting at 130, he called out a 154 De La Hoya?
People ask me why I defend Floyd so much. I don't even like the guy, but he attracts a lot of ignorance.
Stop being a smart ass. Hatton really struggled at welterweight when he fought there before his fight with Floyd. Hatton best weight was light welter, he was the undisputed champion at the weight. If Floyd was not a welterweight then he would have fought him at light welter.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerI don't get hurt. If someone says something stupid, I refute it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
When people say that Hatton was somehow diminished or not at his best because they fought at 147 instead of 140, that's stupid. It's completely idiotic when you put it up against common boxing knowledge.
And as far as Floyd being a true WW, that simply isn't true. He's a true WW in the sense that he is naturally 147, but that's not how boxing works due to weight cutting. A true WW is not a 147lb guy. A true WW is around or exceeding 160lbs. This has been shown with basically every "same day weight" statistic that HBO or another network has shown. Floyd is routinely out-weighed by upwards of 10lbs pretty much every time he fights.
He was outweighed by Ricky Hatton on fight day as well.
Judah had 2 losses in his last 6 when Floyd fought him, including his last fight, a decision loss to BaldomirQuote:
Originally Posted by VG_Addict
Hatton was extremely overrated; he beat Tszyu, but it would have been different in America, I don't think he would have been able to fight the same way, but that was about it. I mean he beat an old Castillo, but not an impressive win for Floyd
Marquez was very undersized, came up 2 weight classes, and Floyd didn't even make weight. Garbage
Genaro Hernandez was a very impressive win. He doesn't get enough credit for that one.
Corrales was also a very big notch in his belt.
Cotto was a good win, but again, Floyd only fought him after multiple losses and 2 knockouts. He should have fought him before Margarito. can't use the money excuse with that one. Cotto has always been a draw.
Floyd's ultimate knock has been he ducked guys. Didn't fight Cotto or Mosley in their prime, never fought Tszyu, Paul Williams or Margarito. Didn't fight Pacquiao.
I think he could have won all those fights, but we'll never know.
cc # 2 to the new guy ;D Good break down. Except the Hatton not impressive win part. Floyds biggest fault there was picking up his ball and walking away for 2 years after ko. He lost momentum and a massive chance to sort out fellow players, cement legacy. I do think he came back on the cheap and bit of a "p4p" only grab with Marquez.
Here's the thing, and I agree with a lot of your points don't get me wrong, but the problem is people look at fights that never happened and automatically say "Well Floyd obviously ducked them". That simply isn't true. There's a lot of revisionist history that goes on.Quote:
Originally Posted by BillyWaltersJr
Cotto turned down a Mayweather fight when both guys were at 140.
Floyd called out Mosley CONSISTENTLY since 1999. It was Mosley who chose to move up in weight to fight DLH, and then he famously ducked Floyd once Floyd moved up. This has been documented. Another fact is that when Floyd fought Mosley, he was ranked higher than he had been since 2001 before Vernon Forrest and Winky Wright beat his ass twice each. He was never the man again until he whipped Margarito's (the #1 WW) ass, then he was on top again and Floyd fought him.
Most of these guys who people claim Floyd ducked or was afraid of, Floyd publicly called out.
It's all revisionist history. Before the Hatton fight, people said "ohh Floyd will never fight an elite pressure fighter like Hatton, he knows how much trouble he had against JLC and Hatton is a better pressure fighter than him, he won't be able to run from Hatton, Hatton's body work will wear Floyd down, ect."
Then Floyd wins: "Oh well Hatton sucked anyway. Actually it was the refs fault because he didn't let Ricky fight. Oh wait no it was because they fought at 147. If fat alcoholic Ricky was made to dehydrate himself to cut 7 more pounds, he would have performed better for some reason."
It's just silliness. Floyd is an asshole but give him his due, he is a brilliant boxer.
Its a record not a resume
a resume is something that gay people take to a dance audition
Floyd has a good criminal record too.Quote:
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Originally Posted by MasterFloyd has a good criminal record too.Quote:
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criminal record or resume?
Wtf are you talking about Eric is England have some weird shit for what resume is there. When you go to a job what do you call it if not a resume just wondering because in US it is pretty much what it is called. Do you people call your body of work records over there when you go to a job or something.