What do people think of Hauser's article on Haymon's next moves?
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What do people think of Hauser's article on Haymon's next moves?
I think the last paragraph sums it up quite nicely. Boxing is pretty self-destructive in that regard. I love the sport of boxing, but abhor the business side and couldn't care less about the inside politics except that they're ruining boxing much like corrupt/inept judges are. The power struggles in boxing will continue to get in the way of good fights, and will continue to alienate fans.
Great article.
I think in the near future we'll be watching the Al Haymon boxing league in America.
A guest appearance on Hoarders and then his own reality tv show.
I think he's good for boxing. He's gotten better fights done for his fighters then TR and GBP combined. I can see him starting a Welterweight tournament after Floyd retires to determine the best Welterweight in the world. He has Danny ,Thurman, Porter ,Broner ,Matthysse and more.
I'm torn on how to view Haymon's takeover of boxing. On the one hand, he's good for boxers and there are too many great boxers that we seen suffer greatly later in life, not just from the physical effects of boxing but destitute and without any resources to keep them afloat. Haymon got guys like Andre Berto and Adrian Broner more money than arguably their talent warranted. On the other hand, how many of his fighters are paid handsomely without having to face any challenges or languish without fighting anyone of note. Look at Garcia and Quillin now. How many fights are we missing because Haymon is the advisor?
From a selfish perspective, I want the best fights, but from a perspective of what's best for the boxers, I want the boxers to be best off. It's a somewhat tough call.
I bet he signs Rigo right after his last fight under Arum in China.
Yes, but look at who they are facing now: Garcia faced Herrera and now faces Salka (who?) when he could face Peterson. Broner and Matthysse aren't facing each other when they could be. Porter and Thurman aren't facing each other when they could be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maravilla2012
Good for the fighters but bad for the fans?
I dont think its bad for anyone. Maybe he's trying keep them all winning so that Floyd has plenty of options for he's next fight Porter is fighting Brook which is a good fight. Dont forget that Hayman did get Garcia vs Matthysse made. He makes good fights for he's fighters and fans. Gives them tough fights then an easy one afterwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratYes, but look at who they are facing now: Garcia faced Herrera and now faces Salka (who?) when he could face Peterson. Broner and Matthysse aren't facing each other when they could be. Porter and Thurman aren't facing each other when they could be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maravilla2012
Good for the fighters but bad for the fans?
I'd prefer to see good fights regularly. Are you excited about Garcia-Salka? Garcia had this great win and now? Peterson had the dynamic win over the Canadian guy and now what? Same for Thurman? Quillin other than N'Jikam? Think about all the names at or around that weight class signed to Haymon and what fights you would like to see and what fights we're getting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maravilla2012I dont think its bad for anyone. Maybe he's trying keep them all winning so that Floyd has plenty of options for he's next fight Porter is fighting Brook which is a good fight. Dont forget that Hayman did get Garcia vs Matthysse made. He makes good fights for he's fighters and fans. Gives them tough fights then an easy one afterwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratYes, but look at who they are facing now: Garcia faced Herrera and now faces Salka (who?) when he could face Peterson. Broner and Matthysse aren't facing each other when they could be. Porter and Thurman aren't facing each other when they could be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maravilla2012
Good for the fighters but bad for the fans?
Haymon is going to get Richard Schaefer to head his new promotional team and make majority of the fights. I say that because Al is not going to let personal reasons stop the money from coming because Dick don't like the Old Dick, or the man that like Dick ;D All of which is going to be use by Mayweather's money after his last fight.
3 owner promotional/advisor/manager team
Haha, a good one and a dark possibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I doubt if Hayman even knows how things are going to play out, there are so many variables, I don't see how he could.
I'm pretty sure he is going to be spending a lot of time and money in court.
If I was Hayman, I'd lay out the money for some military grade body armor too. There is a lot of money in boxing, enough for everyone so when someone comes along wanting to do it "his way", he can expect some stiff resistance.
I know one thing for sure, Hayman doesn't have enough money to buy everyone off.
We'll see how it plays out. Boxing is so fucked up in some ways, that sometimes I'd like to see someone like Hayman come along and straighten the the whole thing out. lol
Who would you trust with that kind of power?
they are stay busy fights in my opinion at the same time Haymon is not very well liked. Arum doesn't want to work with him and Mayweathers promotion doesn't have a license yet. You gotta remember he's an advisor not a promoter so now that their out of GBP its tough to get the fights they need. I think these fights are just till the promotion thing is sorted out. Even Floyd who said he wouldn't do business with Oscar without Richard is getting he's next fight done by GBP. They need a promoter behind them and are yet to have one.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratI'd prefer to see good fights regularly. Are you excited about Garcia-Salka? Garcia had this great win and now? Peterson had the dynamic win over the Canadian guy and now what? Same for Thurman? Quillin other than N'Jikam? Think about all the names at or around that weight class signed to Haymon and what fights you would like to see and what fights we're getting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maravilla2012I dont think its bad for anyone. Maybe he's trying keep them all winning so that Floyd has plenty of options for he's next fight Porter is fighting Brook which is a good fight. Dont forget that Hayman did get Garcia vs Matthysse made. He makes good fights for he's fighters and fans. Gives them tough fights then an easy one afterwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratYes, but look at who they are facing now: Garcia faced Herrera and now faces Salka (who?) when he could face Peterson. Broner and Matthysse aren't facing each other when they could be. Porter and Thurman aren't facing each other when they could be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maravilla2012
Good for the fighters but bad for the fans?
That guy would make Dana White blush.
Another promoter who will build his own empire and not make the best fight out there because he will not work with other promoters. Great. :)
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Originally Posted by Master
Thank you M! That was exactly my point earlier. Lost in all the debate about fighter X and fighter Y and who is promoting who.... is the bigger picture. Who the hell needs another big dog in the yard fighting over the same bone?? Boxing loses in the overall scheme of things.
Anybody that reads Hauser is a trick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Look at all the trash GGG fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratYes, but look at who they are facing now: Garcia faced Herrera and now faces Salka (who?) when he could face Peterson. Broner and Matthysse aren't facing each other when they could be. Porter and Thurman aren't facing each other when they could be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maravilla2012
Good for the fighters but bad for the fans?
Is he with Haymon???
Manny is fighting ALGERI.
He must be with Haymon too.
Haymon is not a promoter...trick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
What is wrong with ya'll????????????
So seems like that genius cylone posted three posts in a row but I luckily don't have to read em since he's blocked but let me guess it was something like
"racist racist against the black man if haymon was white you all would be kissing his ass and saying how great he is, oh and GGG sucks, garry russell would move up and whip his ass"
Promoters are all the same, remember when GBP came on the scene a few years ago and was going to fix what's wrong with boxing...Haymon must have some extreme business savvy to go from being a sucessful dude in the music world to basically having half the top fighters in his corner...I have to agree with Rant lately he's not making the big ones, nor has he really been known for it hell berto was headlining cards on hbo against volunteer firefighters and kindergarten teachers...
that is pretty much what he said without the Russell part lolQuote:
Originally Posted by armin
Not sure where this idea Haymon won't work with some promoters comes from but it isn't based in truth. Haymon doesn't like matching his guys up so he has to work with promoters. Matching his guys is a last resort or he does it in an everybody wins scenario. Promoters refusing to work with him isn't his fault. Just because they are stuck with mob taught methods and he's bringing new revenue streams he can offer fighters better deals. The old guard uses the "you don't have a choice method" and Al uses the "this is their deal, this is what I can offer you" method. Promoters don't want to offer a fair deal or think of new ways to generate money so they don't like Al. But they hurt themselves if they freeze him out.
I'm rather certain Al is just as evil as anyone else making money in the sport but his fighters get a larger percentage of the money they earn. Sometimes Al doesn't even take a cut. That's better than the rest.
I don't even see why Al has to be evil.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Fighters of all races are lined-up around the block to sign with him.
Haymon believes in taking a small amount from a lot of fighters as opposed to raping the shit out of a few.
He looks out for his guys...even if you lose,he still gets you good fights.
Look at Trout.
1)who gives a shit about race? It's about competitionQuote:
Originally Posted by cycloneI don't even see why Al has to be evil.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Fighters of all races are lined-up around the block to sign with him.
Haymon believes in taking a small amount from a lot of fighters as opposed to raping the shit out of a few.
He looks out for his guys...even if you lose,he still gets you good fights.
Look at Trout.
2)let's not act like he takes a small cut for charitable reasons. He takes a smaller cut because he finds other revenue streams. He's still getting his
I didn't say he wasn't getting his fella'..Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson1)who gives a shit about race? It's about competitionQuote:
Originally Posted by cycloneI don't even see why Al has to be evil.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Fighters of all races are lined-up around the block to sign with him.
Haymon believes in taking a small amount from a lot of fighters as opposed to raping the shit out of a few.
He looks out for his guys...even if you lose,he still gets you good fights.
Look at Trout.
2)let's not act like he takes a small cut for charitable reasons. He takes a smaller cut because he finds other revenue streams. He's still getting his
Calm your ass down.
You are the one that said sometimes he doesn't take anything.
I don't need to calm down. Making everything about race gets old.Quote:
Originally Posted by cycloneI didn't say he wasn't getting his fella'..Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson1)who gives a shit about race? It's about competitionQuote:
Originally Posted by cycloneI don't even see why Al has to be evil.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Fighters of all races are lined-up around the block to sign with him.
Haymon believes in taking a small amount from a lot of fighters as opposed to raping the shit out of a few.
He looks out for his guys...even if you lose,he still gets you good fights.
Look at Trout.
2)let's not act like he takes a small cut for charitable reasons. He takes a smaller cut because he finds other revenue streams. He's still getting his
Calm your ass down.
You are the one that said sometimes he doesn't take anything.
I should have been more clear when I said sometimes he doesn't take a cut, I meant sometimes he doesn't take a cut of the purse.
I said Haymon can't be that evil(as you claimed) if figthers of all races want to sign with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonI don't need to calm down. Making everything about race gets old.Quote:
Originally Posted by cycloneI didn't say he wasn't getting his fella'..Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson1)who gives a shit about race? It's about competitionQuote:
Originally Posted by cycloneI don't even see why Al has to be evil.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Fighters of all races are lined-up around the block to sign with him.
Haymon believes in taking a small amount from a lot of fighters as opposed to raping the shit out of a few.
He looks out for his guys...even if you lose,he still gets you good fights.
Look at Trout.
2)let's not act like he takes a small cut for charitable reasons. He takes a smaller cut because he finds other revenue streams. He's still getting his
Calm your ass down.
You are the one that said sometimes he doesn't take anything.
I should have been more clear when I said sometimes he doesn't take a cut, I meant sometimes he doesn't take a cut of the purse.
If that's what you call making it about race you must be sitting on Rush Limbaugh's lap or some shit.
Once again, I'm not sure what your point is. First, one wrong doesn't make a right, but at least you agree that Garcia-Salka is a farce and that Quillin hasn't languished since beating N'Jikam. I'm glad we're on the same page. Second, Haymon has practically the entire junior welterweight and welterweight division under his banner so there is nothing stopping him from making better fights between his fighters there.Quote:
Originally Posted by cycloneLook at all the trash GGG fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratYes, but look at who they are facing now: Garcia faced Herrera and now faces Salka (who?) when he could face Peterson. Broner and Matthysse aren't facing each other when they could be. Porter and Thurman aren't facing each other when they could be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maravilla2012
Good for the fighters but bad for the fans?
Is he with Haymon???
Manny is fighting ALGERI.
He must be with Haymon too.
Champs have fought easy defenses long before Al Haymon....look at tito's title defenses...look at GG's title defenses if you want a good laught.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratOnce again, I'm not sure what your point is. First, one wrong doesn't make a right, but at least you agree that Garcia-Salka is a farce and that Quillin hasn't languished since beating N'Jikam. I'm glad we're on the same page. Second, Haymon has practically the entire junior welterweight and welterweight division under his banner so there is nothing stopping him from making better fights between his fighters there.Quote:
Originally Posted by cycloneLook at all the trash GGG fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratYes, but look at who they are facing now: Garcia faced Herrera and now faces Salka (who?) when he could face Peterson. Broner and Matthysse aren't facing each other when they could be. Porter and Thurman aren't facing each other when they could be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maravilla2012
Good for the fighters but bad for the fans?
Is he with Haymon???
Manny is fighting ALGERI.
He must be with Haymon too.
Two wrongs don't make a right.....true....just don't whine when a Haymon fighter takes an easy fight.
Hell
I've heard some of you motherfucker say "__________ deserves and easy fight"..
or
"it's just a stay busy fight"
Give Garcia the same room you give GG....at least Garcia isn't 32 fucking years old.
GGG isn't getting seven-figure paydays.
Right. And Haymon is the new boxing behemoth. It makes sense to discuss the good and bad of his recent rise and what's next for him. We should be no less scrutinizing of him than we were of Tex Richard, Don King, Bob Arum or Richard Schaefer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster