All 200 passengers obviously dead. Terrible
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All 200 passengers obviously dead. Terrible
Do they know who blew it down?
This is insane. Oh and Israel launches into Gaza
Russia did this. How its not being called terrorism is boggling
It's crazy, There was a passenger who took a picture of the plane (MH17) before the take off and put it on Facebook, "this is what the planes looks like if we disappear"
That's insane. I used to fly this route from Ams to Kuala Lumpur, just at later times
I always thought when we flew over Afghanistan, what would stop some terrorists to launch a missile. Never expected it would be done from Ukraine
nvm what I wrote other than this is tragic whoever is responsible for itQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
We have friends who are going to the same conference on Aids that all the medical teams from onboard that flight were heading out here to go to. Some idiots will think this is the will of God instead of just some asswipes in uniforms with a missile. As if a God would put nasty thoughts into a human head to do something like this, but just watch some fuckwit claim it. Babies, women, kids and top medical people all gone in a blink.
Horrible. I saw a video on Youtube of the wreckage and also going through passports. Seeing the passports of young kids and teenagers was horrible to see. Such a senseless act of violence by a bunch of savages.
Apparently audio has been leaked now of Russian militants talking about shooting it down, basically they said they thought it was an enemy plane or full of spies and were surprised that it was a civilian plane.
A truly sickening act of mass murder, pricks playing god hope the bastards are brought to justice,
my heart goes out to all them poor family's, a sad day indeed.
Let's see what Dear Leader Obama has to say.....
"I 'lose my mind' if I have a bowl of chips and guacamole"
I am in awe of the brilliance of the man
Lyle, Obama has nothing to do with anything. It is quite clear now that he is the fall guy and will be hung out to dry, but he is not a Russian separatist. Just wait though, Miles and Kirkland will be along shortly to blame it on the west as though evil men only exist on one side of a man made political divide.
the sheer evil of this event ranks up there with all the rest of them in history. What on Earth does a Malaysian passenger jet---Boeing 777, that huge bird of power that I only rode on 1 time from San Francisco to Incheon, South Korea----what a monster that 777 is, -----WHAT ON EARTH DOES THAT HAVE TO DO TO FURTHER ANYBODY'S FUCKING AGENDA IN UKRAINE OR RUSSIA???
Oh I'm sorry.... what SHOULD one expect from the leader of the free world? But hey, if you and everyone else want to give him a pass that's not just fine that's change I can believe in!Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
When the fuck is anyone going to expect Obama to act like an adult?!?! How about you look up what Reagan said after that South Korean airliner went down... THAT was a leader!
Yeah. Why think about the horrible suffering the families of all on board must be undergoing right now? Why think about how the very notion of not being able to board a passenger plane without the fear of getting shot out of the sky?
Using it as yet another outlet for Obama hate is MUCH more important.
It is things like this that speak more about a person than all the eloquent, witty, authoritative posts ever could.
What happened, did Obama say something stupid about this?
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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Triggers are made to pull on and buttons are made to push mate. Small minds with big agendas.
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Originally Posted by Andre
Apparently.
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Originally Posted by El Kabong
Yup....spent all of 30 seconds on the topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
The Russians shoot down a passenger plane and he spends 30 seconds on it....but you know he's got more important things to do.
Your President is not the leader of the Free World and neither was Reagan. Reagan was a complete numpty who could not even learn his lines when he was an actor, The guy had to be led by a cast iron bitch woman in Thatcher to get anything done. Your claims seemed completely fabricated and outrageous when I first read them and now I know why. You have been hoodwinked by Fox News. Obama actually called the incident what it is, "an "outrage of unspeakable proportions" and Reagan actually took four days to respond to the Korean airliner tragedy, having to be coaxed from his ranch back to Washington.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongOh I'm sorry.... what SHOULD one expect from the leader of the free world? But hey, if you and everyone else want to give him a pass that's not just fine that's change I can believe in!Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
When the fuck is anyone going to expect Obama to act like an adult?!?! How about you look up what Reagan said after that South Korean airliner went down... THAT was a leader!
On Heels Of Tragic Plane Crash, Fox Rewrites Reagan's Legacy In Effort To Jab Obama | Blog | Media Matters for America
Hundreds of people are dead because some Idiots from Russia and the Ukraine shot at a plane in a civil war without using a Radar to identify it as a passenger airliner and not a plane full of troops or carrying a payload. That means the people who fired it and those who gave the orders to do so should be held culpable, right the way up to the Kremlin if it can be proved. It is not the fault of Obama or the West. The Dutch and other innocent civilians from around the world killed in this deserve that the truth be uncovered. That is no excuse to use efforts made in finding that truth, as a political football.
What he actually said first wasQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
"Before I begin, obviously the world is watching reports of a downed passenger jet near the Russia-Ukraine border. And it looks like it may be a terrible tragedy. Right now we’re working to determine whether there were American citizens on board. That is our first priority.''And I've directed my national security team to stay in close contact with the Ukrainian governemnt. The United States will offer any assistance we can to help determine what happened and why. And as a country, our thoughts and prayers are with all the families and passengers, wherever they call home. "
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Not such a snappy character destroying sound bite though is it? FFS it's really coming to something if I have to defend the US President.
It's bad taste to use this as a drum to beat an already well known tune.
Obama is not relevent here.
Putin on the other hand...
Looting the dead and carrying away selected corpses to god knows where. This isn't about the convenience of politics but everything to do with insanity and savagery of man.
So sickening, anyone more up to date on what these cavemen might have thought they were doing? Last I heard it looked like Russian Militia had stolen the missile from the Ukraine and didn't even realize they were firing on a civilian jet:-\ Would almost be nicer to think there was a greater conspiracy, in that something might be done about it.. But even then, who is about to make anything stick and go after Putin... NATO? :rolleyes:
Who will stand up to Putin? W didn't and now Obama isn't...this is my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanman
Lol whats Obama supposed to do invade? Nothing like ww3 to calm the planet down.
I'm glad GW is not at the helm or he'd invade Afghanistan.
What should he have said before he went off?Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongYup....spent all of 30 seconds on the topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
The Russians shoot down a passenger plane and he spends 30 seconds on it....but you know he's got more important things to do.
This will probably blow over and a couple of people will do ten years playing chess in some airconditioned compound over it and the Ruskies pay compensation.
I recon the other Malaysian jet that went down could be in the SW part of the China sea around where the Chinese navy were parading their new destroyers ,fishermen said they saw a flash in the sky then nothing :-\.
The evidence is mounting and pretty damning
Malaysia Airlines MH17 crash: Evidence mounting of pro-Russian link to attack - Europe - World - The Independent
Of Course the machine has swung into action
‘Anonymous International’ Leaks Kremlin’s Instructions to Russian TV · Global Voices
Don't kid yourself and think that the sheltering of Snowden means that Russia is some kind of champion of liberty
Russia cracks down on liberties as president Vladimir Putin’s popularity soars - World - The Boston Globe
We do not know for sure who shot down the plane. Russia has presented a case arguing the plane was being followed, it was flying over a war zone and government weapons had been moved. At the same time, rebels could have shot it down too. The truth is, we just don't know the answers and that is why the British and American media have been awful and out of control. 'It Putin....It Putin....Cameron: More sanctions!'. Are these people fucking serious? Yo Dave, did you forget Syria and Libya and your attempts for war there, ya cunt? 5 tr in debt, and fat Dave still thinks he matters. Pathetic.
There was no motivation or anything to gain by the rebels shooting down a plane. There is a lot to gain by the Ukrainies doing it and blaming the rebels. Let's not forget too that the BRICS proposed their alternative to the IMF a day before also. Basically the petrodollar is under attack and the role of the IMF is under attack. It is a very timely opportunity to demonise Putin, who is clearly a threat.
The problem for the absurd media and politicians now is that their lies don't work. People have plenty of other sources for news and they are credible sources. I honestly turn on the TV and just mock it constantly. It doesn't provide anything factual or useful. It simply says we need to deal with Putin. Very similar to Iraq.
Fuck them, they started a coup and then started killing people who wanted no part of it in the East. NATO has no right to be on Russias border and really America is trying to provoke a new Cuban missile crisis. The fact that they are collapsing economically, and don't even hide how they fund terrorists, nothing is beyond them. Right now the dollar is going down and the US elite are panicking.
Personally, I think we will discover that the Ukrainian government shot down the aircraft in an attempt to gain attention and sympathy and as a justification to wipe out the East who would be blamed. It is going to blow up in their faces and that US economic collapse is looking ever more likely.
Why should anyone stand up to Putin? He is behaving as he should. His middle class is growing, he has good relations with his friends, is starting a rival to the IMF.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWho will stand up to Putin? W didn't and now Obama isn't...this is my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanman
The man knows how to develop a society. Obama knows quite the opposite. Who were the communists supposed to be?
Yeah but isn't that making the assumption that they wanted to shoot down a civilian plane? In the leaked audio (not sure if that has been proven or disproven) they seemed very surprised that it was a civilian plane.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
A week before this one, pro-Russian militants shot down a Ukrainian military plane and bragged about it, took pics and videos.
No planes should have been flying over there. It was almost as though they were being fed there and with jets to get them there. We know both sides could have shot, but the government had more of these weapons and had moved them.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerYeah but isn't that making the assumption that they wanted to shoot down a civilian plane? In the leaked audio (not sure if that has been proven or disproven) they seemed very surprised that it was a civilian plane.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
A week before this one, pro-Russian militants shot down a Ukrainian military plane and bragged about it, took pics and videos.
You must always ask....who will gain from this? The guess about it says the Ukraine government, but when the facts come out that can change very easily. The Western tricks are always too obvious and it comes from a culture of employing dumb people who will just say the right things. They are decadent and sloppy. At least Russia plays in the real world, in terms of economy, military and diplomacy.
Yeah but again that assumes that someone planned it, when most evidence I've seen points to pro-Russian militants gunning down a civilian plane that they mistook for a Ukrainian military or supply plane, the same kind that they openly gunned down a week before MH17.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Not everything has to be a deep conspiracy.
That isn't evidence and why I want an independent enquiry.
When it comes to a bankrupt country (US), the need for new raw materials etc and the backing of a coup, well there is no conspiracy.
Some countries have a history of false flags (Bin Laden/Afghanistan/Gulf of Tonkin/Iraq) etc. The US is almost on its last legs economically and they are being bold.
However, it looks like nobody believes them anymore. Since 9/11 just lots of lies and illegal wars, torture and rendition. People don't like that weirdness.
It isn't conspiracy, but when the Brics say we are having our system, that is a serious threat. For the next few years they will try every lie to demonise Putin, but of course ignore the horrors of Wall Street and the military industrial complex.
It's humility time for the US. Russia had it in the early 90's. America now needs to go through the same process. They could emerge better or else become like Puerto Rico.
You seem to have a lot of emotional investment in it not being pro-Russian militants for whatever reason.
None of us know all the facts because we're not there and we're not directly involved. But when pro-Russian militants are shooting down planes and openly bragging about it a week before, and now they've openly shot down two more planes today... why is it so hard to believe the official line? That a civilian plane mistakenly wandered into the wrong airspace and the militants, who assumed it was a Ukrainian military plane (the kind they've openly been shooting out of the sky), opened fire on it. I just don't see what's so unbelievable about that account.
Don't get me wrong, you'll get no argument from me that the American government are a bunch of choir boys, but Putin deserves the negative press he has been getting.
Yes Chaps we live in a fucked up World, people on a civilian flight get blown out of the sky,
no excuses this is not right, I don't give a shit who what or why, they are a bunch of bad
bastards.
We are worse for making the weapons and selling it to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
Miles this is just nuts mate. There is so much wrong in this post it's like a Lyle post. I don't have the time to go through it but for fuck's sake. Like Beanflicker said what we're being told is what obviously happened. Unless you believe that the US somehow managed to get Ukrainian rebels to post on twitter saying they'd done it. Even Putin isn't blaming America because of just how fucking nuts it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Well I was half right. I apologise @Kirkland Laing. Miles get a grip mate, you are inverting truths in an attempt to redress the white washing and over simplification of Western News sources, but you must also acknowledge that in Russia you are very likely to have your liberty removed for protesting against the government, being Gay or playing a gig in a church. You simply undermine your own arguments when you blame one side exclusively for anything. The far right have a huge hold in Russia and that is not a good thing. Just because Cameron is a Bastard, Putin does not automatically get sainted overnight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz