Quote Originally Posted by Beanflicker View Post
Quote Originally Posted by Gandalf View Post
There was no motivation or anything to gain by the rebels shooting down a plane.
Yeah but isn't that making the assumption that they wanted to shoot down a civilian plane? In the leaked audio (not sure if that has been proven or disproven) they seemed very surprised that it was a civilian plane.

A week before this one, pro-Russian militants shot down a Ukrainian military plane and bragged about it, took pics and videos.
No planes should have been flying over there. It was almost as though they were being fed there and with jets to get them there. We know both sides could have shot, but the government had more of these weapons and had moved them.

You must always ask....who will gain from this? The guess about it says the Ukraine government, but when the facts come out that can change very easily. The Western tricks are always too obvious and it comes from a culture of employing dumb people who will just say the right things. They are decadent and sloppy. At least Russia plays in the real world, in terms of economy, military and diplomacy.