What he did tonight was "atrocious." Mike punch was already being thrown when Dock said "break." To screw a guy in the last round like that with a questionable call is just plain wrong. And Max and Weisfeld be dammed. :mad: :mad:
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What he did tonight was "atrocious." Mike punch was already being thrown when Dock said "break." To screw a guy in the last round like that with a questionable call is just plain wrong. And Max and Weisfeld be dammed. :mad: :mad:
I think a warning would have sufficed for that incident, but if I was officiating I would have docked Perez already for spoiling, holding, and leaning. One punch and then wading in huffing and puffing is not boxing and people deserve better. These are not 72 rounders anymore. Fight your 12, do it clean, and you've done your job. Perez didn't do his job.
If you looked at just the punch in a vacuum maybe it could have been let go. But it came after a clear and intentional butt. Which was preceded only moments before by a clear and intentional butt. Which was preceded by round after round of Perez using his head, pushing Jennings head down, holding and generally spoiling because he didn't want to box.Quote:
Originally Posted by holmcall
He deserved what he got. If he had the will to train he probably would have boxed circles around Jennings. But instead he did everything he could to avoid a boxing match.
Precisely Watson.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonIf you looked at just the punch in a vacuum maybe it could have been let go. But it came after a clear and intentional butt. Which was preceded only moments before by a clear and intentional butt. Which was preceded by round after round of Perez using his head, pushing Jennings head down, holding and generally spoiling because he didn't want to box.Quote:
Originally Posted by holmcall
He deserved what he got. If he had the will to train he probably would have boxed circles around Jennings. But instead he did everything he could to avoid a boxing match.
Chubster blatantly head butt Jennings then threw a punch on the break, after being dirty all night.
He lost the fight outright IMO anyway as he did jack shit the second half of the fight or the last 1/3 of the fight.
The ref made up for all of those non-calls on the holding that Perez got away with. It was an atrocious foul and he deserved to be penalized- all things considered.
The ref has in his discretion to penalize a fighter when he/she feels that the foul flies in the face of the rules, blatantly and without regard or discretion. That headbutt and punch on the ropes when the ref said to break was a clear violation, slap in the face and worth the point deduction- as Perez had lost all composure and the foul was as a result of that loss of composure.
All this fight tells us is Jennings really isnt that good.
No, it didn't. It told us that he was/is who we said he was- a top contender.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
Perez is no slouch. There is a reason why Perez was rated as high as he was. Jennings just slightly separated himself from the rest of the competition- those ranked in the #3 spot in the HW division and below.
My HW rankings today, in the top 5 are:
Wlad- Champ
Pulev- 1 contender
Jennings- 2 contender
Wilder- 3 contender
And then everyone else is where you put them... you can put Perez somewhere between 4 and 7, depending on how much you like Fury, Takam, Arreola and the rest of the other top ten guys.
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Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
Can you imagine Stiverne, Wilder or Klit against him?
And that Perez is devolving as a fighter! If Perez was in shape the fight would have been his easily. After 3 rounds I was thinking, Perez looks tired, is that possible? If you can't even bother to get in shape, you should get out of boxing! Forget the dirty fighting, that fat, out of shape turkey should have been DQed for trying to impersonate a fighter!Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
Honestly, I can't figure out how some of these guys think. Did Perez really think he was giving a good performance, that boxing fans thought the fight was exciting, or that the fans would want to see him fight again?
I'm not really defending Jennings, because he could have and should have done much better, but how can anyone look good against a fat, clinging leach like Perez?
Some of us thought this might be the fight of the night. Man, how can we be so wrong about some fighters?!
Maybe Perez has a medical problem? I know for sure that he is not improving. It really was a pathetic performance. Do you reckon the Abdusalamov fight could be his problem?
The Abdusalamov fight could be his problem? But he needs to get in better shape.
Perez has more than a problem with the breakfast buffet. He literally looked aimless on top of physically lethargic and at times pretty uncoordinated. He mauled, hugged and fouled and half the time Jennings was fending off a wet blanket. Jennings rarely was able to get distance but when managed he was showing solid combinations and snapping Perez engine block of a head around. He def needs to sit down on that jab more and less pawing it, I don't think this one was a clear negative indicator against Jennings or what he isn't, but def more on what Perez is not and is unwilling or able to be. I still think Jennings does very well vs a Wilder and guys who come traditional stand up clean boxing for boxing, not that smother spoil blow kisses and phone it in garbage.
Wilder takes him out IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Perez is behaving like Oldaner Solis, another fat, lazy, talented Cuban.
It was a close fight and the score cards should have reflected it. Perez looked better than Jennings in spots, and I agreed with the announcers, he looked like a different fighter in the second half of the fight than he was in the first half of the fight. Jennings also looked good in spots last night too. How about Povetkin - Jennings?
That's a bet I hope we get the opportunity to make. Ha, Solis! I started seeing shadows of the comeback version..the one who fought Chambers..of Sam Peter :-X in the second half of the fight. Just blahh.Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkWilder takes him out IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Perez is behaving like Oldaner Solis, another fat, lazy, talented Cuban.
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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Rat, IMO Povetkin would rip Jennings a new a-hole. Jennings is a gangly, spidery type of guy with not much power. He was not exactly breathing easy at the end last night. He has great reach and knows how to use it close in and that's unusual, but aside from The Rebel, I don't think he has ever been tested. Not impressed at all. Stiverne would KO him. Not as convinced about Wilder because he never has been tested and if Jennings takes him into the late rounds, I think its bye bye for Wilder. IF.
I just don't know how the smaller Jennings with the shorter reach would box the 6'7 Wilder from the outside without eating that huge right hand early.Quote:
Originally Posted by holmcallQuote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Rat, IMO Povetkin would rip Jennings a new a-hole. Jennings is a gangly, spidery type of guy with not much power. He was not exactly breathing easy at the end last night. He has great reach and knows how to use it close in and that's unusual, but aside from The Rebel, I don't think he has ever been tested. Not impressed at all. Stiverne would KO him. Not as convinced about Wilder because he never has been tested and if Jennings takes him into the late rounds, I think its bye bye for Wilder. IF.
Yea cant see Jennings lasting with Wilder. Looked very average last night to me against a good fighter but a lazy fighter who looked very tired in the 2nd half of the fight. Id say Wilder would get Jennings out of there in the 1st half of the fight. Stiverne would be a more interesting fight but I think Stiverne would stop him late.Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkI just don't know how the smaller Jennings with the shorter reach would box the 6'7 Wilder from the outside without eating that huge right hand early.Quote:
Originally Posted by holmcallQuote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Rat, IMO Povetkin would rip Jennings a new a-hole. Jennings is a gangly, spidery type of guy with not much power. He was not exactly breathing easy at the end last night. He has great reach and knows how to use it close in and that's unusual, but aside from The Rebel, I don't think he has ever been tested. Not impressed at all. Stiverne would KO him. Not as convinced about Wilder because he never has been tested and if Jennings takes him into the late rounds, I think its bye bye for Wilder. IF.
Who said he'd box? Wilder hasn't shown at all he can maintain reach off the jab he has shown, nor the balance and has yet to be significantly countered with even a so so punch??? We're talking about a guy who has. not. gone. beyond 4 rounds..ever! Wilder is banking everything he has on bombing guys out in first couple rounds and I think he has cocooned himself into a false confidence that is going to blow up in his face. Jennings has shown more and faced better in his last 3 fights than Wilder has in his entire career and its boggling to see him so easily dismissed.Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkI just don't know how the smaller Jennings with the shorter reach would box the 6'7 Wilder from the outside without eating that huge right hand early.Quote:
Originally Posted by holmcallQuote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Rat, IMO Povetkin would rip Jennings a new a-hole. Jennings is a gangly, spidery type of guy with not much power. He was not exactly breathing easy at the end last night. He has great reach and knows how to use it close in and that's unusual, but aside from The Rebel, I don't think he has ever been tested. Not impressed at all. Stiverne would KO him. Not as convinced about Wilder because he never has been tested and if Jennings takes him into the late rounds, I think its bye bye for Wilder. IF.
One punch KO power trumps all when your opponent is hittable.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliWho said he'd box? Wilder hasn't shown at all he can maintain reach off the jab he has shown, nor the balance and has yet to be significantly countered with even a so so punch??? We're talking about a guy who has. not. gone. beyond 4 rounds..ever! Wilder is banking everything he has on bombing guys out in first couple rounds and I think he has cocooned himself into a false confidence that is going to blow up in his face. Jennings has shown more and faced better in his last 3 fights than Wilder has in his entire career and its boggling to see him so easily dismissed.Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkI just don't know how the smaller Jennings with the shorter reach would box the 6'7 Wilder from the outside without eating that huge right hand early.Quote:
Originally Posted by holmcallQuote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Rat, IMO Povetkin would rip Jennings a new a-hole. Jennings is a gangly, spidery type of guy with not much power. He was not exactly breathing easy at the end last night. He has great reach and knows how to use it close in and that's unusual, but aside from The Rebel, I don't think he has ever been tested. Not impressed at all. Stiverne would KO him. Not as convinced about Wilder because he never has been tested and if Jennings takes him into the late rounds, I think its bye bye for Wilder. IF.
Jennings is and lacks major firepower of his own.
He may be a better overall fighter than Wilder.
Randall Bailey and Julian Jackson knocked out plenty of guys who were better overall boxers than they were.
Well Jackson was Jackson, a cut above all mentioned. I rank his one & done power as some of the best the sport has seen and Wilders by almost design and fully expected.Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkOne punch KO power trumps all when your opponent is hittable.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliWho said he'd box? Wilder hasn't shown at all he can maintain reach off the jab he has shown, nor the balance and has yet to be significantly countered with even a so so punch??? We're talking about a guy who has. not. gone. beyond 4 rounds..ever! Wilder is banking everything he has on bombing guys out in first couple rounds and I think he has cocooned himself into a false confidence that is going to blow up in his face. Jennings has shown more and faced better in his last 3 fights than Wilder has in his entire career and its boggling to see him so easily dismissed.Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkI just don't know how the smaller Jennings with the shorter reach would box the 6'7 Wilder from the outside without eating that huge right hand early.Quote:
Originally Posted by holmcallQuote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Rat, IMO Povetkin would rip Jennings a new a-hole. Jennings is a gangly, spidery type of guy with not much power. He was not exactly breathing easy at the end last night. He has great reach and knows how to use it close in and that's unusual, but aside from The Rebel, I don't think he has ever been tested. Not impressed at all. Stiverne would KO him. Not as convinced about Wilder because he never has been tested and if Jennings takes him into the late rounds, I think its bye bye for Wilder. IF.
Jennings is and lacks major firepower of his own.
He may be a better overall fighter than Wilder.
Randall Bailey and Julian Jackson knocked out plenty of guys who were better overall boxers than they were.
I can't see Jennings taking a few shots and proving he can come back to win on a higher level as a negative while also giving a pass to Wilder who has not proven anything of the sort, not faced counters and only blitzed those he was fully expected to. Jennings can put his shots together and power can be overstated and intoxicating. You and I can list phone books on previous undefeated who came in on hyped power #'s and crumbled when guys boxed better and punched back. Morrison, Briggs, Stewart, Tshabalalawhatever his name was. Some power is really only as proven and as good as those you ko with it. I think anyway.
You could be right. I hope not though. I see excitement and promise in Wilder.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliWell Jackson was Jackson, a cut above all mentioned. I rank his one & done power as some of the best the sport has seen and Wilders by almost design and fully expected.Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkOne punch KO power trumps all when your opponent is hittable.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliWho said he'd box? Wilder hasn't shown at all he can maintain reach off the jab he has shown, nor the balance and has yet to be significantly countered with even a so so punch??? We're talking about a guy who has. not. gone. beyond 4 rounds..ever! Wilder is banking everything he has on bombing guys out in first couple rounds and I think he has cocooned himself into a false confidence that is going to blow up in his face. Jennings has shown more and faced better in his last 3 fights than Wilder has in his entire career and its boggling to see him so easily dismissed.Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkI just don't know how the smaller Jennings with the shorter reach would box the 6'7 Wilder from the outside without eating that huge right hand early.Quote:
Originally Posted by holmcallQuote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Rat, IMO Povetkin would rip Jennings a new a-hole. Jennings is a gangly, spidery type of guy with not much power. He was not exactly breathing easy at the end last night. He has great reach and knows how to use it close in and that's unusual, but aside from The Rebel, I don't think he has ever been tested. Not impressed at all. Stiverne would KO him. Not as convinced about Wilder because he never has been tested and if Jennings takes him into the late rounds, I think its bye bye for Wilder. IF.
Jennings is and lacks major firepower of his own.
He may be a better overall fighter than Wilder.
Randall Bailey and Julian Jackson knocked out plenty of guys who were better overall boxers than they were.
I can't see Jennings taking a few shots and proving he can come back to win on a higher level as a negative while also giving a pass to Wilder who has not proven anything of the sort, not faced counters and only blitzed those he was fully expected to. Jennings can put his shots together and power can be overstated and intoxicating. You and I can list phone books on previous undefeated who came in on hyped power #'s and crumbled when guys boxed better and punched back. Morrison, Briggs, Stewart, Tshabalalawhatever his name was. Some power is really only as proven and as good as those you ko with it. I think anyway.
Jennings is good and a contender, but I don't ever see him being the champ.
Jennings confirmed himself a solid lower half contender in this fight :) and the best thing is he will improve and learn from this outing ;)
I had Jennings ahead by 2 at the end so the point deduction didn't affect my card, but it was close. Perez has no one to blame but himself, he intentionally headbutted and threw a punch on the break :-\ dude is a lazy fighter ;)
I think it was a cheap shot and questionable given the timing and circumstances. Kind of greasy imo.
Having said that Perez is lucky on the one hand that he never lost a point for all of those Hockey shoulders/door openers he threw and was warned about.
Its the timing of the call that does not sit well with me.
It looked to me that the ref was breaking them because of the use of the head, then when the punch followed I think the ref had had enough of the rough housing :)Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
I think the ref finally said that's it! What can you say? It's a judgement call by the ref, and the ref was closer to the action than we were.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
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Originally Posted by La CucarachaIt looked to me that the ref was breaking them because of the use of the head, then when the punch followed I think the ref had had enough of the rough housing :)Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Yeah punch was on its way imo at the exact same time. Maybe I can find a slow gif and he was going forward but Jennings was on the ropes which stopped his momentum but not Mikes. Mike underachieved again just like @Fenster said he would and appears to have a fuel issue and should have never found himself in a position of a point making the difference. I just think it stinks a little because that point gave him an L rather then a draw.
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Originally Posted by beenKOedI think the ref finally said that's it! What can you say? It's a judgement call by the ref, and the ref was closer to the action than we were.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Nah I dont see it that way as stated above but its all good.
Mike sucked the other night. He was a lazy bstard in the ring and didn't deserve a decision. The fact the the took a point means nothing to the overall fight. Mike lost. His trainer should have told him that ever punch landed would get him a cheeseburger. Might have got some motivation out of his lazy ass then.