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Fight made for Vegas next May. 154 weight limit and GGG cannot weigh more then 162 morning of fight. Who wins and how?
I think its very tough to call and dont think moving down in weight would have much effect on GGG. In saying that Floyd figures out everybody.
Although he is a small 160, I think draining himself down to 154 would really hurt GGG.
Mayweather wants no part of him at 160. I believe Quillin actually wants to fight him though.
I think GGG can make 154 pretty easy, but I would advise him against agreeing to the 162lb day of the fight stipulation. This would be the best fight possible to me. Floyd's speed and mobility vs GGG's relentless pressure and much bigger punch. I can see Floyd out speeding him and getting the decision behind pot shots and some really uncomfortable moments. I also think that GGG can seriously hurt Floyd with either hand, even if he catches him high on the head. Great fight, but not really fair to ask Floyd to take that monster on.
How is GG a small MW????Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
He's 5'10
Funny how ya'll can claim Golovkin is a small MW..... but can't bring yourselves to admit Floyd is a small WW.
That shit is just weird.
If we were talking the Floyd of 4-5 years ago, I'd take him all day vs Golovkin.
Right now, I don't think Floyd has the legs to escape GGG.
I agree. I think its a close to pick em fight. I think Id back either at odds against but would be pushed to back either at odds on. Maybe slightly favor Floyd as we dont know how GGGs power is at 154 and have never seen him against anyone remotely as good as floydQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
If GGG wasn't dead at 154 it would be interesting. Floyd is clearly a welterweight, he never even weighs in above 150 for the light-middle dances. If they fought at a catchweight like 157, Floyd would obviously be the much smaller man so I'd back GGG to muller him.
Yeah GGG is just too big and relentless. You need young legs to keep that guy off you and some decent power to keep him honest. Floyd doesn't have the legs to do it anymore and he certainly doesn't have the power to keep GGG honest.
I think you need to be able to outdo him on distance and footwork to beat him. GGG doesn't waste much energy moving around the ring so if the game plan is stick and move while moving away, there's a good chance that after 5 or 6 rounds, fatigue could set in. I think the key to beating GGG is a combination of smothering his power and sticking and moving. We don't know his inside game at this point. That's why I would probably only favor Ward or Hopkins against him between 160 and 175. Maybe a big puncher at above him like Froch, Kovalev or Stevenson too, but I'm less sure of that. Mayweather has the skill set to smother his power as well, but is he big enough to do it? Make no mistake about it--GGG is a solid sized middleweight. Strong, makes 160 easily, good height and reach. He's a problem for everyone at 160.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
I'm glad you said GG is a solid sized middleweight....as opposed to all the other guys claiming he's small MW that should really by at 154..lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratI think you need to be able to outdo him on distance and footwork to beat him. GGG doesn't waste much energy moving around the ring so if the game plan is stick and move while moving away, there's a good chance that after 5 or 6 rounds, fatigue could set in. I think the key to beating GGG is a combination of smothering his power and sticking and moving. We don't know his inside game at this point. That's why I would probably only favor Ward or Hopkins against him between 160 and 175. Maybe a big puncher at above him like Froch, Kovalev or Stevenson too, but I'm less sure of that. Mayweather has the skill set to smother his power as well, but is he big enough to do it? Make no mistake about it--GGG is a solid sized middleweight. Strong, makes 160 easily, good height and reach. He's a problem for everyone at 160.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
There isn't a lot at 160....A division where Geale is considered "world class" is a weak division.
Broner got crucified for fighting in a dead LW class.
"Time for him to challenge himself"
"That coward should move up and take some risks"
If Broner is a coward at 24 after moving from 130 to 147...i hate to see what GG is.
Cyclone you seem to be blinded, that GGG would not beat Floyd to be honest Mayweather would
not fight him, remember Floyd hand picks his opponents.
Floyd in his prime would not fight GGG, the thing is he would get sparked and he no's it, far to
dangerous and Floyd is not stupid is he.
You want to be middle Champ, the limit 160lbs not 157 no advantage for the smaller guy all
this BS, it's Middle weight perhaps we should make new weight for Mr Mayweather, I no
we can call it Floyd weight, and the only way you can fight Floyd is you Must come in weight
drained.;)
Manny Pacquiao vs GGG!
😃
GG isn't stupid either...that's why he's ignoring Andre Ward.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
Ward is the reason GG's trainer stopped saying he'll fight anybody from 154 to 168
He singlehandedly shut that shit up.
Unlike Mayweather
GG has never fought a REIGNING CHAMPION.
Floyd has been doing that since he was 21.
Golovkin still has the VACANT title he got off shot to hell Jr MW Kassim Ouma.
A Golovkin fan looks like a troll trying to insult Floyd's resume.;D
Mayweather fights bigger guys in higher divisions
GG....not so much.....no AT ALL.
Golovkin will never dare to be great..it's not in his genes.
He's 32 and still hasn't fought a bigger man..
Mayweather has been fighting bigger guys since he was 21.
the sound of crickets.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3
Your talents are wasted on us, may I suggest you try ESB were they would love your wit and charmQuote:
Originally Posted by cyclonethe sound of crickets.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3
I wonder do you annoy your parents as well as us.!!!!!!!!:bashtroll4cx4::bashtroll4cx4:
I sort of have the feeling that deep down, most of us realize logically that a fight with GGG is just wrong for Floyd.
First off I will say that GGG is putting up some impressive wins. He is obviously powerful for his size. That's great. But how would it be justice for Floyd to fight a bigger stronger guy when we all know Floyd's punch power is topped out at 154. He is just able to keep guys at this weight honest and the rest he gets by on skill and reflexes. His last.. how many opponents have out weighed him? 154 is it. Just gotta be realistic. I'm sure many want to see him lose but we need not go overboard because of that. Let him lose in a fair fight against an opponent who actually belongs at 154.
Whats fair? Is making someone come in at 152 for a fight at 154 fair? Is avoiding young up comers like Thurman and Porter while picking on plodders who have been beaten easily before fair? Maidanas first fight at welter was 2012 while Floyds was in 2006 and has been at 154 before before Maidana was at 147.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3
Could Floyd even make 140 again?
GGG would lose at 154lb, I think he would be weight drained.
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Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe</p>Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3
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<p>Whats fair? Is making someone come in at 152 for a fight at 154 fair? Is avoiding young up comers like Thurman and Porter while picking on plodders who have been beaten easily before fair? Maidanas first fight at welter was 2012 while Floyds was in 2006 and has been at 154 before before Maidana was at 147.</p>
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<p>Could Floyd even make 140 again?
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???
Is Floyd avoiding those guys? Or is it just that they haven't worked their way up yet?
The other things you mentioned still don't negate the point I'm making.
Floyd didn't make Canelito come in at 152Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeWhats fair? Is making someone come in at 152 for a fight at 154 fair? Is avoiding young up comers like Thurman and Porter while picking on plodders who have been beaten easily before fair? Maidanas first fight at welter was 2012 while Floyds was in 2006 and has been at 154 before before Maidana was at 147.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3
Could Floyd even make 140 again?
Canelo MADE THE OFFER...it was HIS idea...not Floyd's.
I don't hear Canelo bitching about it.
Was if fair Oscar MADE Floyd move up and weigh no less than 150lbs.
Was that fair?
Was it fair for Manny to MAKE Margarito fight him at 150 for a fake 154lb title
Was it fair for Manny to drain Cotto..?
You are so far up Floyds ass you can't see the truth because you are covered in shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by cycloneFloyd didn't make Canelito come in at 152Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeWhats fair? Is making someone come in at 152 for a fight at 154 fair? Is avoiding young up comers like Thurman and Porter while picking on plodders who have been beaten easily before fair? Maidanas first fight at welter was 2012 while Floyds was in 2006 and has been at 154 before before Maidana was at 147.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3
Could Floyd even make 140 again?
Canelo MADE THE OFFER...it was HIS idea...not Floyd's.
I don't hear Canelo bitching about it.
Was if fair Oscar MADE Floyd move up and weigh no less than 150lbs.
Was that fair?
Was it fair for Manny to MAKE Margarito fight him at 150 for a fake 154lb title
Was it fair for Manny to drain Cotto..?
Canelo did not offer to go down to below light middleweight limit, Floyd insisted it happen otherwise there would be no fight.
You can't reason with a Floyd hater.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3<p></p>Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe</p>Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3
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<p>Whats fair? Is making someone come in at 152 for a fight at 154 fair? Is avoiding young up comers like Thurman and Porter while picking on plodders who have been beaten easily before fair? Maidanas first fight at welter was 2012 while Floyds was in 2006 and has been at 154 before before Maidana was at 147.</p>
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<p>Could Floyd even make 140 again?
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???
Is Floyd avoiding those guys? Or is it just that they haven't worked their way up yet?
The other things you mentioned still don't negate the point I'm making.
They want Floyd to move up AGAIN to fight GG but don't want Golovkin to up ONCE to fight Ward.
I can see if Ward were at 175 or Cruiser..but he's just one division away.
As an Ethnic Khazak Golovkin is related to the Mongols, direct descendants of the most famous Mongol, Genghis Khan. Fighting and specifically things like World domination and greatness is most definitely in his Genes. The fact that you would never dare to make a single post without mentioning FMJ, or somebodies race, or the hatred of American fighters, suggests that greatness, even in the very small context of this particular boxing forum, will always remain very firmly outside of your own grasp.Quote:
Originally Posted by cycloneGG isn't stupid either...that's why he's ignoring Andre Ward.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
Ward is the reason GG's trainer stopped saying he'll fight anybody from 154 to 168
He singlehandedly shut that shit up.
Unlike Mayweather
GG has never fought a REIGNING CHAMPION.
Floyd has been doing that since he was 21.
Golovkin still has the VACANT title he got off shot to hell Jr MW Kassim Ouma.
A Golovkin fan looks like a troll trying to insult Floyd's resume.;D
Mayweather fights bigger guys in higher divisions
GG....not so much.....no AT ALL.
Golovkin will never dare to be great..it's not in his genes.
He's 32 and still hasn't fought a bigger man..
Mayweather has been fighting bigger guys since he was 21.
You simply put, cannot reason at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by cycloneYou can't reason with a Floyd hater.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3<p></p>Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe</p>Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3
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<p>Whats fair? Is making someone come in at 152 for a fight at 154 fair? Is avoiding young up comers like Thurman and Porter while picking on plodders who have been beaten easily before fair? Maidanas first fight at welter was 2012 while Floyds was in 2006 and has been at 154 before before Maidana was at 147.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Could Floyd even make 140 again?
<p>&nbsp;</p>
???
Is Floyd avoiding those guys? Or is it just that they haven't worked their way up yet?
The other things you mentioned still don't negate the point I'm making.
They want Floyd to move up AGAIN to fight GG but don't want Golovkin to up ONCE to fight Ward.
I can see if Ward were at 175 or Cruiser..but he's just one division away.
I think no one hates Floyd, THEY HATE YOU ! what is it with you.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:ver18:Quote:
Originally Posted by cycloneYou can't reason with a Floyd hater.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3<p></p>Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe</p>Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3
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<p>Whats fair? Is making someone come in at 152 for a fight at 154 fair? Is avoiding young up comers like Thurman and Porter while picking on plodders who have been beaten easily before fair? Maidanas first fight at welter was 2012 while Floyds was in 2006 and has been at 154 before before Maidana was at 147.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Could Floyd even make 140 again?
<p>&nbsp;</p>
???
Is Floyd avoiding those guys? Or is it just that they haven't worked their way up yet?
The other things you mentioned still don't negate the point I'm making.
They want Floyd to move up AGAIN to fight GG but don't want Golovkin to up ONCE to fight Ward.
I can see if Ward were at 175 or Cruiser..but he's just one division away.
No it wasnt fair. 154 title should be fought at anything up to 154. I have the same feeling towards manny as I do Floyd except that I dont think Manny is anywhere near the best ever, Floyd could be if he had the balls to challenge himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by cycloneFloyd didn't make Canelito come in at 152Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeWhats fair? Is making someone come in at 152 for a fight at 154 fair? Is avoiding young up comers like Thurman and Porter while picking on plodders who have been beaten easily before fair? Maidanas first fight at welter was 2012 while Floyds was in 2006 and has been at 154 before before Maidana was at 147.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3
Could Floyd even make 140 again?
Canelo MADE THE OFFER...it was HIS idea...not Floyd's.
I don't hear Canelo bitching about it.
Was if fair Oscar MADE Floyd move up and weigh no less than 150lbs.
Was that fair?
Was it fair for Manny to MAKE Margarito fight him at 150 for a fake 154lb title
Was it fair for Manny to drain Cotto..?
Where has anyone on this forum said Floyd should move up to fight GG? Ive suggested they fight at 154, the weight class Floyd fought in for the 1st time 7 years ago. And if not him, at least fight a good up and comer people think have a chance agaisnt him. Thurman, Porter rather than a plodder he already beat a few months ago,Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzYou simply put, cannot reason at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by cycloneYou can't reason with a Floyd hater.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3<p></p>Quote:
Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe</p>Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3
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<p>Whats fair? Is making someone come in at 152 for a fight at 154 fair? Is avoiding young up comers like Thurman and Porter while picking on plodders who have been beaten easily before fair? Maidanas first fight at welter was 2012 while Floyds was in 2006 and has been at 154 before before Maidana was at 147.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>Could Floyd even make 140 again?
<p>&nbsp;</p>
???
Is Floyd avoiding those guys? Or is it just that they haven't worked their way up yet?
The other things you mentioned still don't negate the point I'm making.
They want Floyd to move up AGAIN to fight GG but don't want Golovkin to up ONCE to fight Ward.
I can see if Ward were at 175 or Cruiser..but he's just one division away.
Golovkin to me is a much bigger, slightly more controlled version of Lucas Mattysse. A self styled boxer-puncher who would happily brawl if things weren't entirely to plan.
This is the wrong style to face Floyd with but when your hands are as heavy as Golovkin's hands are then you a very real equaliser.
I think Golovkin is just to powerful for Floyd.
To me, GGG is much more skilled than Lucas. He has great foot work, cuts off the ring extremely well, has a ramrod jab(which will bother Floyd), a huge punch with both hands, and is very effective at parrying shots. Floyd is much faster, so it would be interesting to see Floyd use n create angles to pot shot GGG from the outside. This is one fight where Floyd would HAVE to stay off the ropes.
Give it a rest. If Canelo didn't want the fight...he shouldn't have agreed to the catch weight. Floyd is really just a small welterweight...while Canelo has had no business to be at 154 for a few years now (Alvarez was 172 on the night of the Trout fight). 152 was more than fair.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeWhats fair? Is making someone come in at 152 for a fight at 154 fair? Is avoiding young up comers like Thurman and Porter while picking on plodders who have been beaten easily before fair? Maidanas first fight at welter was 2012 while Floyds was in 2006 and has been at 154 before before Maidana was at 147.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3
Could Floyd even make 140 again?
Floyd would struggle to make Welterweight now. And dont give me that shit. Its like saying, if those 5 year old chinese kids dont want to work in sweat shop for 2 cent a day they shouldnt take the job. Floyd has the money so makes the decisions, is that fair? No but its the way of the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by zhubinGive it a rest. If Canelo didn't want the fight...he shouldn't have agreed to the catch weight. Floyd is really just a small welterweight...while Canelo has had no business to be at 154 for a few years now (Alvarez was 172 on the night of the Trout fight). 152 was more than fair.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeWhats fair? Is making someone come in at 152 for a fight at 154 fair? Is avoiding young up comers like Thurman and Porter while picking on plodders who have been beaten easily before fair? Maidanas first fight at welter was 2012 while Floyds was in 2006 and has been at 154 before before Maidana was at 147.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3
Could Floyd even make 140 again?
Im just pointing out that Floyd wont take on a challenge. He wont fight at other fighters prefered weights. Its pathetic and its why he is not and never will be TBE.
Floyd would struggle to make WW now?! WTF you talking about?! "Floyd has the money so makes the decisions, is that fair? No but its the way of the world." And your point? Floyd is in that position because he worked to get there...he earned his money and position. You make it seem like being a smart business man in a brutal business is to be looked down upon. And then you try to hide being a Floyd hater by making an analogy to a sweat shop?! Canelo Alvarez made the biggest pay day of his career against Floyd. If he cared so much about pride and being "fair"...his ass could have walked away from the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeFloyd would struggle to make Welterweight now. And dont give me that shit. Its like saying, if those 5 year old chinese kids dont want to work in sweat shop for 2 cent a day they shouldnt take the job. Floyd has the money so makes the decisions, is that fair? No but its the way of the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by zhubinGive it a rest. If Canelo didn't want the fight...he shouldn't have agreed to the catch weight. Floyd is really just a small welterweight...while Canelo has had no business to be at 154 for a few years now (Alvarez was 172 on the night of the Trout fight). 152 was more than fair.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeWhats fair? Is making someone come in at 152 for a fight at 154 fair? Is avoiding young up comers like Thurman and Porter while picking on plodders who have been beaten easily before fair? Maidanas first fight at welter was 2012 while Floyds was in 2006 and has been at 154 before before Maidana was at 147.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3
Could Floyd even make 140 again?
Im just pointing out that Floyd wont take on a challenge. He wont fight at other fighters prefered weights. Its pathetic and its why he is not and never will be TBE.
Fair the wrong way to describe. Id fight Floyd at whatever weight for the money they get paid. But it does nothing for his legacy. I dont hate Floyd and if you read my posts youd see that I think he could be one of the best ever but because he doesnt test himself he wont be.
IMO opinion he would have beat Canelo at 154 without the catchweight BS but he didnt and it makes people ask the question if he could have or not. Same with Marquez, yes he beat Marquez easy but instead of fighting at welter he made a catchweight and then came in above that catchweight. This is against a guy who never came in above the lightweight limit before. The Marquez fight makes me think he couldnt make Welter again. He couldnt make it back in 2009 andit doesnt get easier as you get older.
Floyd certainly doesnt need the mo0ney and if he was really going for legacy hed be fighting harder opponents. THats my opinion and it certainly isnt me hating. I wouldnt be forking out to go to his fight this year if I did, I want to go see one of the best fighter of this generation.