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Cotto should face a legit 160 lb fighter or drop down says GGG's Trainer
Golovkin's Trainer: Cotto Should Face 160-Pounder or Drop - Boxing News
After @JazzWolf revealed that Box Rec has Cotto facing Chavez Jr in December on the http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...vkin-face.html
thread, do you think Cotto should be allowed to dodge Golovkin and fight a guy who has not fought at 160 for years for the right to wear the lineal middleweight belt ?
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Re: Cotto should face a legit 160 lb fighter or drop down says GGG's Trainer
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Greenbeanz
Its a strange one for me. Youd have to expect Chavez will be far too big and strong for Cotto. I was convinced it would be Alvarez v Cotto for the MW title next so Im just happy that that hasnt happened.
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Re: Cotto should face a legit 160 lb fighter or drop down says GGG's Trainer
I somewhat agree if Cotto is attempting to face Bradley at a catch-weight fight at 155 or making Junior face him at 160. If Cotto wants to take another fight at 160 to grow into the weight and then face GGG next year. Fair enough.
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Re: Cotto should face a legit 160 lb fighter or drop down says GGG's Trainer
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Greenbeanz
Talk about hypocrisy.
Was Rosado a legit MW??
Nope
Was Ishiida a legit MW
Nope
Was Ouma's washed-up ass a legit MW??
Nope
Cotto just got to MW and doesn't even need GG.
He can fight Canelito get paid large...and leave golovkin to fight the dreaded Sam Soliman for peanuts.
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Re: Cotto should face a legit 160 lb fighter or drop down says GGG's Trainer
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cyclone
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Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
Talk about hypocrisy.
Was Rosado a legit MW??
Nope
Was Ishiida a legit MW
Nope
Was Ouma's washed-up ass a legit MW??
Nope
Cotto just got to MW and doesn't even need GG.
He can fight Canelito get paid large...and leave golovkin to fight the dreaded Sam Soliman for peanuts.
Yet you criticise GGG for being avoided
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Re: Cotto should face a legit 160 lb fighter or drop down says GGG's Trainer
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Silkeyjoe
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cyclone
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Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
Talk about hypocrisy.
Was Rosado a legit MW??
Nope
Was Ishiida a legit MW
Nope
Was Ouma's washed-up ass a legit MW??
Nope
Cotto just got to MW and doesn't even need GG.
He can fight Canelito get paid large...and leave golovkin to fight the dreaded Sam Soliman for peanuts.
Yet you criticise GGG for being avoided
GG has been a pro for EIGHT years...
where was he when Pavlik was champ?
Or Abraham...ect ect ect.
You mean to tell me EVERYBODY for the past EIGHT years has been avoiding this guy??
C'mon now nutthugger.Ward isn't avoiding him..thats for damn sure.
Andre is the reason GG's people stopped talking that we'll fight anybody shit.
He's willing to fight smaller guys...but the bigger ones....not so much.
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Re: Cotto should face a legit 160 lb fighter or drop down says GGG's Trainer
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Originally Posted by
cyclone
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Originally Posted by
Silkeyjoe
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Originally Posted by
cyclone
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Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
Talk about hypocrisy.
Was Rosado a legit MW??
Nope
Was Ishiida a legit MW
Nope
Was Ouma's washed-up ass a legit MW??
Nope
Cotto just got to MW and doesn't even need GG.
He can fight Canelito get paid large...and leave golovkin to fight the dreaded Sam Soliman for peanuts.
Yet you criticise GGG for being avoided
GG has been a pro for EIGHT years...
where was he when Pavlik was champ?
Or Abraham...ect ect ect.
You mean to tell me EVERYBODY for the past EIGHT years has been avoiding this guy??
C'mon now nutthugger.Ward isn't avoiding him..thats for damn sure.
Andre is the reason GG's people stopped talking that we'll fight anybody shit.
He's willing to fight smaller guys...but the bigger ones....not so much.
Wards not in his weight class. Its the same reason Floyds ducked Ward.
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Re: Cotto should face a legit 160 lb fighter or drop down says GGG's Trainer
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Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
Boxrec is always fast out of the gate. I agree with 3g but he cannot act as if a middleweight champion being challenged by a smaller man is unprecedented. After all, Cotto himself is no middleweight. As a Cotto fan I wish he would have retired after Martinez and I certainly don't want him to hold the title hostage but he cant even if he wanted to. Its the WBC lets not forget.
Cotto must have an optional because he is considering opponents. Now who knows who that might be. I'm hoping he fights David Lemieux (for selfish reasons) or another top 5 guy but I suspect at this stage in his career he wont. He's going to cash out and who can blame him. They are not going to fight this Krazy Kazak. I have a feeling he will work with Bob and then Oscar. He could fight Bradley and I must say that the possible sound of hearing "and the new lineal and Wbc champion Tim Bradley" makes my blood curdle. Or he could go with the Alvarez fight with the optional since Alvarez is going to 160 anyway.
Because unless Rubio was willing to take step aside money he would be in the mandatory position after Cotto's optional. So Cotto could fight his optional and then Alvarez could pay off Rubio and they could do it in May.
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Re: Cotto should face a legit 160 lb fighter or drop down says GGG's Trainer
Guys just need to pick a division and defend what they claim, legitamitly. Its exhausting following all of the catchweight charades. Cotto coming off beating 'the man' just has to be expected to aim higher than Tim Bradley for crying out loud! Haven't heard mention of Chavez v Cotto but again Cotto will be outweighed easily by 20+ lbs and 1 box of Cookie Crisps at the opening bell in a agreed go at 160. But Arum is salivating at the stand by Mexico- Puerto Rico rivalry.
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Re: Cotto should face a legit 160 lb fighter or drop down says GGG's Trainer
Cotto can do what he likes, he beat the man so he is entitled to a voluntary defence and Junior is decent enough.
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Re: Cotto should face a legit 160 lb fighter or drop down says GGG's Trainer
I've no issues with a Cotto/Chavez fight, but the winner should fight Golovkin.
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Cotto is nuts if he fights Chavez Jr.
That's a short 154 lber vs a huge 168 lber.
He'd have virtually no chance of winning. It would be like Margarito vs. Cotto all over again minus the plaster wraps.
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Re: Cotto should face a legit 160 lb fighter or drop down says GGG's Trainer
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Hulk
Cotto is nuts if he fights Chavez Jr.
That's a short 154 lber vs a huge 168 lber.
He'd have virtually no chance of winning. It would be like Margarito vs. Cotto all over again minus the plaster wraps.
Yeah it's amazing how quickly perspectives are lost in boxing. Talk about a weight difference at fight time. Junior could easily outweigh Cotto by 30-35 pounds by fight time. Junior has the height and frame to fight at light heavy, whereas Cotto is pushing his body's boundaries fighting at 160.
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Re: Cotto should face a legit 160 lb fighter or drop down says GGG's Trainer
GGG is now the biggest name in boxing, if Cotto, Alvarez, Quillin or anybody else wants a massive payday and capture the hearts and minds of every boxing fan on the planet then stop fucking around and get in the ring with GGG. The Middleweight division has lacked a real super champion with charisma since the days of Hagler, nobody mention Hopkins please, he was a very good ordinary fighter, but awkward to watch. It was uncomfortable watching Hopkins. Not so GGG, this guy is a monster, he talks like Borat and punches like Tyson....high five!
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Re: Cotto should face a legit 160 lb fighter or drop down says GGG's Trainer
I feel like every fight Cotto in is a catch weight or at a weight his opponents is not used to.
Can someone write me a list of his last 5 and the weights please?
Can't find shit online.
I ask because I don't pay Cotto any real attention, he annoys me.
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Re: Cotto should face a legit 160 lb fighter or drop down says GGG's Trainer
Let's see.....
Cotto vs Delvin Rodriguez: at Jr. Middle, Delvin's natural weight. Cotto - 153.2, Delvin - 154
Cotto vs Austin Trout: at Jr. Middle, Trout's natural weight. Cotto - 153.6, Trout - 154
Cotto vs Floyd Mayweather: at Jr. Middle. Floyd also fought Canelo at this weight... anyone giving HIM shit? Cotto - 154, Floyd - 151
Cotto vs Margacheato II: at 153 catchweight, easily made by Cheato without his wraps. Cotto - 152.3, Cheato - 152.5
Cotto vs Ricardo Mayorga: at Jr. Middle, where Mayorga finished HIS career. Cotto - 154, Mayorga - 154
Anything else I can help you with?
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Re: Cotto should face a legit 160 lb fighter or drop down says GGG's Trainer
i heard that chavez vs froch is in talks so i doubt that cotto is fighting chavez. i dont think that he is fighting ggg either. he will probably fight canelo next.
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Re: Cotto should face a legit 160 lb fighter or drop down says GGG's Trainer
Cotto's needs to stop ducking Alvarez already. If he feels the need to duck him again than he should fight Golovkin
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Re: Cotto should face a legit 160 lb fighter or drop down says GGG's Trainer
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Originally Posted by
THE THIRD MAN
GGG is now the biggest name in boxing, if Cotto, Alvarez, Quillin or anybody else wants a massive payday and capture the hearts and minds of every boxing fan on the planet then stop fucking around and get in the ring with GGG. The Middleweight division has lacked a real super champion with charisma since the days of Hagler, nobody mention Hopkins please, he was a very good ordinary fighter, but awkward to watch. It was uncomfortable watching Hopkins. Not so GGG, this guy is a monster, he talks like Borat and punches like Tyson....high five!
The biggest name in boxing??? Lol I have seen GGG fight twice at the SMALL room at MSG which only holds about 2,000 people, and in this last fight with Geale he fought in the big room but they had to close the ENTIRE top section because they could not sell enough tickets and it was completely empty. Say what you want about Cotto but he is a WAY bigger draw than GGG, Cotto sells out the big room at MSG everytime.
As far as JCC jr while he is not on anyone's p4p list he is a huge draw in the mexican community and Cotto vs Chavez would be a big money fight. GGG appears to be a special talent but he has to raise his level of opposition before I can truly pass judgement, I mean Macklin and Geale are average at best. So b4 I jump out the window on the GGG express I would like to see him fight some real competition. I've seen alot of fighters look great against average competition but everything changes when they are in there with a real boxer, look at Donaire, Broner, and Chavez jr...all 3 were undefeated and all 3 lost badly when they raised their level of competition and fought real fighters.
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Re: Cotto should face a legit 160 lb fighter or drop down says GGG's Trainer
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Violent Demise
Cotto's needs to stop ducking Alvarez already. If he feels the need to duck him again than he should fight Golovkin
Canelo hasn't been worth fighting yet.
His embarrassing showing against Floyd didn't do him any favors.
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Re: Cotto should face a legit 160 lb fighter or drop down says GGG's Trainer
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TitoFan
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Violent Demise
Cotto's needs to stop ducking Alvarez already. If he feels the need to duck him again than he should fight Golovkin
Canelo hasn't been worth fighting yet.
His embarrassing showing against Floyd didn't do him any favors.
But Delvin Rodriguez was, right?
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Re: Cotto should face a legit 160 lb fighter or drop down says GGG's Trainer
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Originally Posted by
Vendettos
I feel like every fight Cotto in is a catch weight or at a weight his opponents is not used to.
Can someone write me a list of his last 5 and the weights please?
Can't find shit online.
I ask because I don't pay Cotto any real attention, he annoys me.
yeah ill write you a list of that if you can write me a list of the last 10 world title fights that were fought between 2 fighters of the same nationality that were previously unbeaten and had never fought in a world title fight before
and were both wearing the same colour gloves and shorts
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Re: Cotto should face a legit 160 lb fighter or drop down says GGG's Trainer
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521Joe
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Originally Posted by
THE THIRD MAN
GGG is now the biggest name in boxing, if Cotto, Alvarez, Quillin or anybody else wants a massive payday and capture the hearts and minds of every boxing fan on the planet then stop fucking around and get in the ring with GGG. The Middleweight division has lacked a real super champion with charisma since the days of Hagler, nobody mention Hopkins please, he was a very good ordinary fighter, but awkward to watch. It was uncomfortable watching Hopkins. Not so GGG, this guy is a monster, he talks like Borat and punches like Tyson....high five!
The biggest name in boxing??? Lol I have seen GGG fight twice at the SMALL room at MSG which only holds about 2,000 people, and in this last fight with Geale he fought in the big room but they had to close the ENTIRE top section because they could not sell enough tickets and it was completely empty. Say what you want about Cotto but he is a WAY bigger draw than GGG, Cotto sells out the big room at MSG everytime.
As far as JCC jr while he is not on anyone's p4p list he is a huge draw in the mexican community and Cotto vs Chavez would be a big money fight. GGG appears to be a special talent but he has to raise his level of opposition before I can truly pass judgement, I mean Macklin and Geale are average at best. So b4 I jump out the window on the GGG express I would like to see him fight some real competition. I've seen alot of fighters look great against average competition but everything changes when they are in there with a real boxer, look at Donaire, Broner, and Chavez jr...all 3 were undefeated and all 3 lost badly when they raised their level of competition and fought real fighters.
Who are the top boxers at 160? For my money right now, it's Cotto and GGG and Kid Chocolate. As boxing fans, don't we always complain about the best fighting the best? Let's see it then.
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Re: Cotto should face a legit 160 lb fighter or drop down says GGG's Trainer
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Originally Posted by
Rantcatrat
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Originally Posted by
521Joe
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Originally Posted by
THE THIRD MAN
GGG is now the biggest name in boxing, if Cotto, Alvarez, Quillin or anybody else wants a massive payday and capture the hearts and minds of every boxing fan on the planet then stop fucking around and get in the ring with GGG. The Middleweight division has lacked a real super champion with charisma since the days of Hagler, nobody mention Hopkins please, he was a very good ordinary fighter, but awkward to watch. It was uncomfortable watching Hopkins. Not so GGG, this guy is a monster, he talks like Borat and punches like Tyson....high five!
The biggest name in boxing??? Lol I have seen GGG fight twice at the SMALL room at MSG which only holds about 2,000 people, and in this last fight with Geale he fought in the big room but they had to close the ENTIRE top section because they could not sell enough tickets and it was completely empty. Say what you want about Cotto but he is a WAY bigger draw than GGG, Cotto sells out the big room at MSG everytime.
As far as JCC jr while he is not on anyone's p4p list he is a huge draw in the mexican community and Cotto vs Chavez would be a big money fight. GGG appears to be a special talent but he has to raise his level of opposition before I can truly pass judgement, I mean Macklin and Geale are average at best. So b4 I jump out the window on the GGG express I would like to see him fight some real competition. I've seen alot of fighters look great against average competition but everything changes when they are in there with a real boxer, look at Donaire, Broner, and Chavez jr...all 3 were undefeated and all 3 lost badly when they raised their level of competition and fought real fighters.
Who are the top boxers at 160? For my money right now, it's Cotto and GGG and Kid Chocolate. As boxing fans, don't we always complain about the best fighting the best? Let's see it then.
I think Canelo and Cotto are gonna fight, so GGG and Quillin should fight and the winners should face each other. I would really like to see Ward come down to 160 and throw a monkey wrench in the mix but I don't think that will happen.
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Re: Cotto should face a legit 160 lb fighter or drop down says GGG's Trainer
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Originally Posted by
521Joe
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Originally Posted by
Rantcatrat
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Originally Posted by
521Joe
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Originally Posted by
THE THIRD MAN
GGG is now the biggest name in boxing, if Cotto, Alvarez, Quillin or anybody else wants a massive payday and capture the hearts and minds of every boxing fan on the planet then stop fucking around and get in the ring with GGG. The Middleweight division has lacked a real super champion with charisma since the days of Hagler, nobody mention Hopkins please, he was a very good ordinary fighter, but awkward to watch. It was uncomfortable watching Hopkins. Not so GGG, this guy is a monster, he talks like Borat and punches like Tyson....high five!
The biggest name in boxing??? Lol I have seen GGG fight twice at the SMALL room at MSG which only holds about 2,000 people, and in this last fight with Geale he fought in the big room but they had to close the ENTIRE top section because they could not sell enough tickets and it was completely empty. Say what you want about Cotto but he is a WAY bigger draw than GGG, Cotto sells out the big room at MSG everytime.
As far as JCC jr while he is not on anyone's p4p list he is a huge draw in the mexican community and Cotto vs Chavez would be a big money fight. GGG appears to be a special talent but he has to raise his level of opposition before I can truly pass judgement, I mean Macklin and Geale are average at best. So b4 I jump out the window on the GGG express I would like to see him fight some real competition. I've seen alot of fighters look great against average competition but everything changes when they are in there with a real boxer, look at Donaire, Broner, and Chavez jr...all 3 were undefeated and all 3 lost badly when they raised their level of competition and fought real fighters.
Who are the top boxers at 160? For my money right now, it's Cotto and GGG and Kid Chocolate. As boxing fans, don't we always complain about the best fighting the best? Let's see it then.
I think Canelo and Cotto are gonna fight, so GGG and Quillin should fight and the winners should face each other. I would really like to see Ward come down to 160 and throw a monkey wrench in the mix but I don't think that will happen.
GGG could also wipe out Soliman and collect that trinket.
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
521Joe
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Originally Posted by
Rantcatrat
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Originally Posted by
521Joe
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Originally Posted by
THE THIRD MAN
GGG is now the biggest name in boxing, if Cotto, Alvarez, Quillin or anybody else wants a massive payday and capture the hearts and minds of every boxing fan on the planet then stop fucking around and get in the ring with GGG. The Middleweight division has lacked a real super champion with charisma since the days of Hagler, nobody mention Hopkins please, he was a very good ordinary fighter, but awkward to watch. It was uncomfortable watching Hopkins. Not so GGG, this guy is a monster, he talks like Borat and punches like Tyson....high five!
The biggest name in boxing??? Lol I have seen GGG fight twice at the SMALL room at MSG which only holds about 2,000 people, and in this last fight with Geale he fought in the big room but they had to close the ENTIRE top section because they could not sell enough tickets and it was completely empty. Say what you want about Cotto but he is a WAY bigger draw than GGG, Cotto sells out the big room at MSG everytime.
As far as JCC jr while he is not on anyone's p4p list he is a huge draw in the mexican community and Cotto vs Chavez would be a big money fight. GGG appears to be a special talent but he has to raise his level of opposition before I can truly pass judgement, I mean Macklin and Geale are average at best. So b4 I jump out the window on the GGG express I would like to see him fight some real competition. I've seen alot of fighters look great against average competition but everything changes when they are in there with a real boxer, look at Donaire, Broner, and Chavez jr...all 3 were undefeated and all 3 lost badly when they raised their level of competition and fought real fighters.
Who are the top boxers at 160? For my money right now, it's Cotto and GGG and Kid Chocolate. As boxing fans, don't we always complain about the best fighting the best? Let's see it then.
I think Canelo and Cotto are gonna fight, so GGG and Quillin should fight and the winners should face each other. I would really like to see Ward come down to 160 and throw a monkey wrench in the mix but I don't think that will happen.
GGG could also wipe out Soliman and collect that trinket.
Yea u right and he probably will(if Solomon accepts) since it's there for the taking. But he's really gonna have to raise his level of opposition soon if he truly wants to be respected. And I do believe he will rise to the occasion, but we have seen many fighters with inflated records get exposed when they fight world class opposition.
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Re: Cotto should face a legit 160 lb fighter or drop down says GGG's Trainer
GGG has wiped out good competition and unifying the title is not a bad thing. Cotto is just too small, I think Quillen would beat Miguel.
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Re: Cotto should face a legit 160 lb fighter or drop down says GGG's Trainer
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Master
GGG has wiped out good competition and unifying the title is not a bad thing. Cotto is just too small, I think Quillen would beat Miguel.
Who u got Canelo vs Cotto?
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521Joe
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Originally Posted by
Master
GGG has wiped out good competition and unifying the title is not a bad thing. Cotto is just too small, I think Quillen would beat Miguel.
Who u got Canelo vs Cotto?
That is tough before Cotto wiped out Sergio I would have said Canelo. I still say Saul would beat Cotto. Although if they fought I would support Cotto.
