RIP. Damn.
Robin Williams dead in apparent suicide - Arts & Entertainment - CBC News
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Sad news.
Brilliant and generous man.
Very sad news.
RIP Robin.
A tragedy. Goodbye. :(
That wass quite funny
American Idol Robin Williams as Russian Idol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOIUgPKPJPE
Robin Williams very sad a very funny guy RIP.
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he scored in the charity shield on sunday also
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Originally Posted by erics44
The Daily Mail reaching it's usual standards.
So sad that he could make so many people happy when he was so troubled himself. He had such a difficult time with substance abuse and depression.
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The Daily Mail reaching it's usual standards.
spooky tho eh!
This death is all over the news. His final weeks seem a mystery. Some say he finally went to rehab just to make sure he was okay, the others say he was drinking and went back. Then on coming out, no real sightings of him and then this. I wonder what pushed him over the edge. Anything else going on in his life? Health perhaps? The poor, poor man. :(
wonder if it was the prospect of having to make Mrs Doubtfire 2 ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
God knows. Crazy world
He was making 4 new movies, and I had noticed the news of him going to rehab and all...substance abuse and depression can sink you quickly. They are foes who are unrelenting and unforgiving
Although this story has played itself countless times it's still hard for me to fathom how all that money and fame doesn't dull the pains of depression and can still lead the wealthy to such despair. I've had some hard fought battles in life, can't say suicide never crossed my mind but I've seen what it can do to family and friends left behind. I've had a couple friends take there own life's and it is so utterly tragic. I hope Mr. Williams family takes some solace in laughter he brought to so many
It's complex Walrus. We are all unique and it is hard to know what is going on with someone we know so little about. It is hard to know what sets someone off. Funnily enough yesterday was a bad day for me. I had read too much news and was thinking about my homeland and how horrid it has become there and just the thought of that and a general malaise got to me and for the first time in a long time I had thoughts of harming myself. I didn't and was fine, but depression when it really takes you will just take you. It's just a shame that Williams had to go through this. He had got this far now, but he was hyper sensitive and damaged.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
Oh heaven forbid someone else gets talked about for 2 seconds :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfIt's complex Walrus. We are all unique and it is hard to know what is going on with someone we know so little about. It is hard to know what sets someone off. Funnily enough yesterday was a bad day for me. I had read too much news and was thinking about my homeland and how horrid it has become there and just the thought of that and a general malaise got to me and for the first time in a long time I had thoughts of harming myself. I didn't and was fine, but depression when it really takes you will just take you. It's just a shame that Williams had to go through this. He had got this far now, but he was hyper sensitive and damaged.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
I just can't come to grips with the overall acceptance/legitimization/glorification of suicide.
I understand what mental illness and depression are, but it's hard for me to not find it completely selfish and cowardly when a mind capable of rational thought - regardless of how troubled it is - decides to commit suicide, knowing full well the extensive, LASTING psychological damage you're going to inflict on your loved ones and people who depend on you.
When it's shown in the media, we are told to feel bad for the suicide "victim". We talk about suicide like it is an inevitable conclusion for a lost/troubled soul, and not a conscious decision. I call bullshit.
The whole world is so scared of being stigmatized as ignorant, unsympathetic, ect that we are forced to swallow a lot of bullshit because it's the popular thing to believe. No thanks. The real victims are his family and friends, who will live the rest of their lives with the pain of wondering "did I do enough? Could I have saved him? Did I not show him enough love? Was I not there for him when he needed me?", ect.
On that basis, I should mute and run to the covers. I was only trying to give some insight into how a truly depressed mind can work. Depression is universal. And is a condition created by the world that too many are forced to tolerate. Nothing more. Williams couldn't take it anymore. That was all I said.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongOh heaven forbid someone else gets talked about for 2 seconds :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfIt's complex Walrus. We are all unique and it is hard to know what is going on with someone we know so little about. It is hard to know what sets someone off. Funnily enough yesterday was a bad day for me. I had read too much news and was thinking about my homeland and how horrid it has become there and just the thought of that and a general malaise got to me and for the first time in a long time I had thoughts of harming myself. I didn't and was fine, but depression when it really takes you will just take you. It's just a shame that Williams had to go through this. He had got this far now, but he was hyper sensitive and damaged.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
I happen to believe that upbringing is the cause of most mental illness and thus suicide in the long run. We are actively making people ill. That is not self promoting, it is simply saying that there are many with bad childhoods.
That's mental illness for you though, people who are suffering from depression or other mental illnesses don't stop and think about how suicide can torture the people that love them...or about how it will affect them emotionally, psychologically. The depressed don't think of suicide as such a selfish gesture, but rather as the only way out. They feel like their only chance at stopping the downward spiral is to stop life itself....the only way to put the brakes on the world is by getting out of it.Quote:
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Suicide is the most selfish thing a person can do...it takes no guts to do that, it takes guts to wake up each day and live, face your adversity head on. That's brave, that takes courage...but we are mere mortals, we can break, and things like this happen. I hate that someone so funny, so caring, such a loving person thought that this was his only way....people would have given Robin anything, shirts right off their backs!
But part of the trouble with humans is that very seldom can we see ourselves the way our loved ones see us....this is all a shame.
Bullshit. You are speculating and know nothing. You can only take it on a case by case basis. And you are making too many guesses.
Plus the humanitarian Lyle has nothing in common with 'they deserve to die' Lyle.
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Humanitarian in regards to normal, everyday people not psycho nutjobs who teach their kids to saw heads off of people....pretty huge difference there miles if you cared to notice. Those people in the Islamic State believe in suicide as a means to kill innocent people AND get their way. Robin Williams was battling depression.
I know you're smarter than that miles
He was brilliant in Mork and Mindy loved him as a kid. Saw him do stand up and he was brilliant
Good morning Vietnam, Jumanji, Bicentennial man, Good Will Hunting – RIP legend.
We have arguably negotiated peace and being pretty tired that's enough for me.
Godnight, all.
He was a fantastic talent - a known joke thief, but a funny, talented guy none the less. Him committing suicide doesn't change my opinion that he was a comedic juggernaut, great actor, and by all accounts a warm, loving, overall good dude.
My thoughts on suicide are pretty concrete though. I 100% support the stuff Jack Kevorkian was doing. We all should have the right to decide whether or not we want to live anymore, and if you're terminally ill, in constant pain, ect I think there's nothing wrong with it and probably something I would avail of myself if I was in that situation.
People always say "well you didn't know what he/she was going through", "you should walk a mile in their shoes" and other cliches. FUCK THAT. I don't care what anyone is going through mentally, whether it is hard times or actual clinical depression. If you have a family and loved ones, you owe it to them to plough through and try to work your shit out.
I read a quote where someone compared a depressed person committing suicide to a person who jumps out of a burning building to their death because they can't handle the fire/smoke. I just don't see it that way and I don't care who thinks I'm ignorant. Man up and work your shit out.
Bollocks. Unless you have put 30 stitches in your arm or cut your neck, then who are you to judge? Maybe you just don't understand depression. It is very complex and emerges from all kinds of experiences. Unless you have the same scars, then you likely don't understand the mind that can commit suicide.Quote:
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By the way 'Hard times' and depression are in no way comparable.
Depression can get it's hooks in you and drag you to a level where you don't know your ass from your elbow...and it can happen in an instant. People who don't understand that need to be aware of it at least if for nothing else knowing how to react if someone they love is going through such a time.
Depression doesn't just attack the weak, it attacks people who assume they are strong, it attacks people who ARE strong, people with friends, people without friends, it doesn't discriminate.
Imagine the saddest you have ever been, turn that up a few hundred notches, and then heap on some anxiety and then put things just enough out of sync to where you have more arguments, more misunderstandings, you can't sleep, you have no energy, you can't focus, your mind races.....and to know that you may never come out of that state......it'll break you if you let it.
People can describe the feeling different ways, it's like drowning, it's like being crushed, it's like having a bad premonition that you can't stop...imagine your brain reenacting the throws of death an antelope goes through as a cheetah suffocates it or a crocodile drags it into the river.....those few seconds of struggle, panic, fear....that's what can run through someone's brain for days, weeks, months at a time.
It's not pleasant for those suffering with it, nor for those around that person....suicide is selfish, but think about the pain one has to go through to push them to that extreme...it's anguish
I've heard it all, I have no doubt depression is horrendous, but it'll never justify suicide to me.
There are tons of people living with depression, coping day to day. To accept suicide as a legit ending for someone suffering from depression is to claim that depression is a death sentence, which I think is a dangerous concept.
How am I ignorant, and where in my post did I say that hard times = depression?Quote:
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Suicide is never justifiable to other people...only to those battling demons like depression or substance abuse. Those people get worn down because "coping day to day" with depression or substance abuse is a battle, it's a battle to just "act normal" when you're dealing with depression.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
It is a battle man....and it can be very scary
Yeah? Do I also have to have lusted sexually for little kids to judge pedophiles? Do I have to have tried to murder someone before I can judge murderers?Quote:
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Do I have to study culinary arts before I can comment about the food I eat at a restaurant?
The whole "who are you to judge" thing that ALWAYS comes up is nonsense and is the biggest cop out.
No one is saying depression is a cake walk. I'm saying it doesn't justify suicide. Never. It's selfish and I don't care how much pain you are or you think you are in. Selfish, self-centered. The coward's way out.
No doubt, but at the end of the day the man who doesn't do what's right for his family, the man who intentionally inflicts emotional pain on them is the weak man.Quote:
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Originally Posted by BeanflickerNo doubt, but at the end of the day the man who doesn't do what's right for his family, the man who intentionally inflicts emotional pain on them is the weak man.Quote:
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Fair enough, I won't say that a man is weak overall because he was weak in the moment, but suicide = bitch move always (unless you're terminally ill or something along that lines).
I know a couple of people who have done it and ask the same thing because they had young children. I just think they were in a place that they could not get out from and most like regret what they did if they were well and thinking straight because they loved their kids.Quote:
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It just bugs me how people talk about suicide the same way we'd talk about it if he died in a car accident, like "oh, poor guy, of course this happened, it's a shame it happened to him", like it wasn't his choice. He chose to check out. He also chose to hang himself and slash his wrist in his house, so whatever unfortunate family member happened to stumble upon him would have that grizzly scene forever etched in their minds and cause even further mental anguish. And apparently he never left a suicide note to even try to explain his action.
It was an awful thing that he did, but apparently you're not allowed to say that any more because that just means you're ignorant about mental illness. Yeeeesh.
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Even if he did what good would it do? None of us were in his position, none of us felt his pain.Quote:
And apparently he never left a suicide note to even try to explain his action.
Depression is deeper and darker than you could imagine it is your mind attacking itself. It is the organ you depend on to keep you calm, to keep you "normal", and when it malfunctions it can drive you to do things you would not normally do. So by that rational you can say "Suicide is the cheap way out....it's a bitch move....IF you're in your right mind" .....if you are in your right mind suicide is fairly easy to avoid.
I don't wish to berate or belittle anyone, it's just having battled depression I want you to get more of a feel for how it is...it is as unbearable as nails on a chalkboard, it's as draining as a marathon, it is as constant as a toothache, it will wear you down and make you quit at life...it'll make you quit. And people do quit, and their families hurt, and wonder what happened....what can you tell them to make it better? Well people who have battled will attempt to define what it's like, and hopefully more people begin to understand and the more people who understand, the more available help will be or the willingness to help will be for others who are suffering depression.....that and studying depression is about all that can be done.
Suicide is selfish, but the pain that drives a person to that end....that's a very real thing.
I've acknowledged that it's terrible. Never once did I doubt the seriousness of depression or the anguish that it causes the person afflicted. I'm not another one of these dummies who says "WHAT DID HE HAVE TO BE SAD ABOUT??? HE'S RICH!!" It's not my cause or intention to diminish the adverse effects of mental illness.Quote:
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Even if he did what good would it do? None of us were in his position, none of us felt his pain.Quote:
And apparently he never left a suicide note to even try to explain his action.
Depression is deeper and darker than you could imagine it is your mind attacking itself. It is the organ you depend on to keep you calm, to keep you "normal", and when it malfunctions it can drive you to do things you would not normally do. So by that rational you can say "Suicide is the cheap way out....it's a bitch move....IF you're in your right mind" .....if you are in your right mind suicide is fairly easy to avoid.
I don't wish to berate or belittle anyone, it's just having battled depression I want you to get more of a feel for how it is...it is as unbearable as nails on a chalkboard, it's as draining as a marathon, it is as constant as a toothache, it will wear you down and make you quit at life...it'll make you quit. And people do quit, and their families hurt, and wonder what happened....what can you tell them to make it better? Well people who have battled will attempt to define what it's like, and hopefully more people begin to understand and the more people who understand, the more available help will be or the willingness to help will be for others who are suffering depression.....that and studying depression is about all that can be done.
Suicide is selfish, but the pain that drives a person to that end....that's a very real thing.
My problem has been and always will be with the act of committing suicide and transferring your pain onto your family and friends. It'll always be a selfish act and the "wrong decision" in my book. I don't believe it's a last resort or anybody had to kill themselves. I don't buy it as an inevitable conclusion: to me it will always be someone making the wrong choice in their darkest hour.
It's a selfish choice and it's the WRONG choice. The extent to which you are suffering mentally will never change that.
Yes it's the wrong choice, it's a selfish choice, but again those ideas aren't immediately going through the mind of a depressed person.
On another note, the media savages and jackals released a picture of Robin at an AA meeting....just despicable behavior to violate that trust. ABC also offered aerial views of Williams' FAMILY home directly after his suicide was reported....horrible.