Advice on the Proper stance from the GREATS
Here is what Wlad klitschko has to say about position of the shoulders.http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GlKuVxlaPcI 2:19
Wlad wants a balanced stance with the weight over the center.
@9:00 of the same video Lennox Lewis wants the weight over the center and the shoulders level. Hear how he like Wlad discourages unlevelled shoulders.today we see a lot of trainers having their fighters put the left shoulder up.according to these greats who could be classified as the greatest heavyweights of all time they want the shoulders level.
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Here is what Wlad klitschko has to say about position of the shoulders.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GlKuVxlaPcI 2:19
Wlad wants a balanced stance with the weight over the center.
@9:00 of the same video Lennox Lewis wants the weight over the center and the shoulders level. Hear how he like Wlad discourages unlevelled shoulders.today we see a lot of trainers having their fighters put the left shoulder up.according to these greats who could be classified as the greatest heavyweights of all time they want the shoulders level.
YOu have to understand that Klitchko are self taught guys. You can learn from whatever experts, but at the end of the day it is you who should make the decision what and what not to do.
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Honestly I think you should stop looking to all these different sources. You're just confusing yourself. Not everyone teaches boxing the same way, and not every great fighter makes a great teacher.
It great kindness and respect for my elders, might I ask for your credentials...and why should I stop isn't it all about symmetry and trigonometry and geospatial engineering.
Honestly I declare Scrap to be a geospatial engineer so I grant him the highest level of respect.
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I found this gem of Riddick Bowe telling us of his game plan to fight and beat Lennox Lewis. Most importantly look how level his shoulders are. Let's see it you spot it Bowe throwing the hook of the front foot.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J4I3VBUSgfc 11:00
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The faster and object travels the less air resistantance there is.when the shoulders are square and level a punch travels much faster and further.now if one shoulder was higher than the other say the left side was higher and the right shoulder was lower this would decrease the initial propulsion and velocity of a punch therefore there would be much greater drag.Ernie Shavers shoulders are level and squarehttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eevCxv2fGRY
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The faster and object travels the less air resistantance there is.when the shoulders are square and level a punch travels much faster and further.now if one shoulder was higher than the other say the left side was higher and the right shoulder was lower this would decrease the initial propulsion and velocity of a punch therefore there would be much greater drag.Ernie Shavers shoulders are level and squarehttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eevCxv2fGRY
:confused::rolleyes:;D
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The faster and object travels the less air resistantance there is.when the shoulders are square and level a punch travels much faster and further.now if one shoulder was higher than the other say the left side was higher and the right shoulder was lower this would decrease the initial propulsion and velocity of a punch therefore there would be much greater drag.Ernie Shavers shoulders are level and squarehttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eevCxv2fGRY
That's an interesting perspective. However, it is a bit naive, because this is only classical physics...
How about space-time curvature, fist-arm particle-wave duality, extremum of a Lagrangian for Higgs-fist and Sushi-roll interraction under the event horizon in subcritical temperatures of a ring consiting of neutrino particlas first minutes after the Big Bang?
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The faster and object travels the less air resistantance there is.when the shoulders are square and level a punch travels much faster and further.now if one shoulder was higher than the other say the left side was higher and the right shoulder was lower this would decrease the initial propulsion and velocity of a punch therefore there would be much greater drag.Ernie Shavers shoulders are level and squarehttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eevCxv2fGRY
That's an interesting perspective. However, it is a bit naive, because this is only classical physics...
How about space-time curvature, fist-arm particle-wave duality, extremum of a Lagrangian for Higgs-fist and Sushi-roll interraction under the event horizon in subcritical temperatures of a ring consiting of neutrino particlas first minutes after the Big Bang?
Haha talk nerdy to me jk... Doesn't the world spin laterally without having to start its motion from having the left side up and the right side down? I unceremoniously offer up one last nerdy brain fart. the shoulders are the spinning wheel of gyroscope.What makes my surmise axiomatic is angular momentum that which measures the amount of rotation taking into account is mass, shape and speed.
Now back to Lord of the Rings!
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NVSemin
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BCBUD
The faster and object travels the less air resistantance there is.when the shoulders are square and level a punch travels much faster and further.now if one shoulder was higher than the other say the left side was higher and the right shoulder was lower this would decrease the initial propulsion and velocity of a punch therefore there would be much greater drag.Ernie Shavers shoulders are level and squarehttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eevCxv2fGRY
That's an interesting perspective. However, it is a bit naive, because this is only classical physics...
How about space-time curvature, fist-arm particle-wave duality, extremum of a Lagrangian for Higgs-fist and Sushi-roll interraction under the event horizon in subcritical temperatures of a ring consiting of neutrino particlas first minutes after the Big Bang?
Haha talk nerdy to me jk... Doesn't the world spin laterally without having to start its motion from having the left side up and the right side down? I unceremoniously offer up one last nerdy brain fart. the shoulders are the spinning wheel of gyroscope.What makes my surmise axiomatic is angular momentum that which measures the amount of rotation taking into account is mass, shape and speed.
Now back to Lord of the Rings!
THat's what I call boxing porn :)
Look pal, seriously, I do not know, I am still trying to understand the formula, I got some variables, but I am very far from understanding the big picture. This is why I try to avoud bullshiting
Regarding your message, you may be right, but you have to understand that people do not think like you. You have to express yourself in a way that there is no ambiguity.
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The faster and object travels the less air resistantance there is.when the shoulders are square and level a punch travels much faster and further.now if one shoulder was higher than the other say the left side was higher and the right shoulder was lower this would decrease the initial propulsion and velocity of a punch therefore there would be much greater drag.Ernie Shavers shoulders are level and squarehttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eevCxv2fGRY
It's the exact opposite, more speed=more air resistance, hence terminal velocity. There is no logical way to draw your conclusions from a basic understanding of air resistance. Also Shavers' shoulders are uneven countless times in that one small highlight, like when throwing an overhand for example. Also, try slipping with your shoulders level, it doesn't work out.
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NVSemin
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BCBUD
The faster and object travels the less air resistantance there is.when the shoulders are square and level a punch travels much faster and further.now if one shoulder was higher than the other say the left side was higher and the right shoulder was lower this would decrease the initial propulsion and velocity of a punch therefore there would be much greater drag.Ernie Shavers shoulders are level and squarehttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eevCxv2fGRY
That's an interesting perspective. However, it is a bit naive, because this is only classical physics...
How about space-time curvature, fist-arm particle-wave duality, extremum of a Lagrangian for Higgs-fist and Sushi-roll interraction under the event horizon in subcritical temperatures of a ring consiting of neutrino particlas first minutes after the Big Bang?
Haha talk nerdy to me jk... Doesn't the world spin laterally without having to start its motion from having the left side up and the right side down? I unceremoniously offer up one last nerdy brain fart. the shoulders are the spinning wheel of gyroscope.What makes my surmise axiomatic is angular momentum that which measures the amount of rotation taking into account is mass, shape and speed.
Now back to Lord of the Rings!
The world is essentially a sphere. It doesn't have sides that can be up or down the way a body does. It also doesn't have something as simple as the gravity we experience to define which direction is "up" or down. Plus it's spinning while orbiting and moving in a vortex, but none of that shit is gonna make you punch harder. And you're trying to say the level of the shoulders significantly affects angular momentum?
There are so many fundamental errors in what you're saying and the conclusions you're drawing-- misunderstandings of physics, anatomy and boxing theory.
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NVSemin
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BCBUD
The faster and object travels the less air resistantance there is.when the shoulders are square and level a punch travels much faster and further.now if one shoulder was higher than the other say the left side was higher and the right shoulder was lower this would decrease the initial propulsion and velocity of a punch therefore there would be much greater drag.Ernie Shavers shoulders are level and squarehttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eevCxv2fGRY
That's an interesting perspective. However, it is a bit naive, because this is only classical physics...
How about space-time curvature, fist-arm particle-wave duality, extremum of a Lagrangian for Higgs-fist and Sushi-roll interraction under the event horizon in subcritical temperatures of a ring consiting of neutrino particlas first minutes after the Big Bang?
Now this guy is onto something!!!
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BCBUD
The faster and object travels the less air resistantance there is.when the shoulders are square and level a punch travels much faster and further.now if one shoulder was higher than the other say the left side was higher and the right shoulder was lower this would decrease the initial propulsion and velocity of a punch therefore there would be much greater drag.Ernie Shavers shoulders are level and squarehttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eevCxv2fGRY
It's the exact opposite, more speed=more air resistance, hence terminal velocity. There is no logical way to draw your conclusions from a basic understanding of air resistance. Also Shavers' shoulders are uneven countless times in that one small highlight, like when throwing an overhand for example. Also, try slipping with your shoulders level, it doesn't work out.
You're talking about a length of time...objects can travel faster until they reach their settling speed.Yes! Shaver's shoulders are level. Mike Tyson slipped punches with level shoulders.fact
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BCBUD
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NVSemin
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BCBUD
The faster and object travels the less air resistantance there is.when the shoulders are square and level a punch travels much faster and further.now if one shoulder was higher than the other say the left side was higher and the right shoulder was lower this would decrease the initial propulsion and velocity of a punch therefore there would be much greater drag.Ernie Shavers shoulders are level and squarehttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eevCxv2fGRY
That's an interesting perspective. However, it is a bit naive, because this is only classical physics...
How about space-time curvature, fist-arm particle-wave duality, extremum of a Lagrangian for Higgs-fist and Sushi-roll interraction under the event horizon in subcritical temperatures of a ring consiting of neutrino particlas first minutes after the Big Bang?
Haha talk nerdy to me jk... Doesn't the world spin laterally without having to start its motion from having the left side up and the right side down? I unceremoniously offer up one last nerdy brain fart. the shoulders are the spinning wheel of gyroscope.What makes my surmise axiomatic is angular momentum that which measures the amount of rotation taking into account is mass, shape and speed.
Now back to Lord of the Rings!
The world is essentially a sphere. It doesn't have sides that can be up or down the way a body does. It also doesn't have something as simple as the gravity we experience to define which direction is "up" or down. Plus it's spinning while orbiting and moving in a vortex, but none of that shit is gonna make you punch harder. And you're trying to say the level of the shoulders significantly affects angular momentum?
What I am saying is that the shoulders are like the spinning wheel on a gyroscope.
There are so many fundamental errors in what you're saying and the conclusions you're drawing-- misunderstandings of physics, anatomy and boxing theory.
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NVSemin
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BCBUD
The faster and object travels the less air resistantance there is.when the shoulders are square and level a punch travels much faster and further.now if one shoulder was higher than the other say the left side was higher and the right shoulder was lower this would decrease the initial propulsion and velocity of a punch therefore there would be much greater drag.Ernie Shavers shoulders are level and squarehttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eevCxv2fGRY
That's an interesting perspective. However, it is a bit naive, because this is only classical physics...
How about space-time curvature, fist-arm particle-wave duality, extremum of a Lagrangian for Higgs-fist and Sushi-roll interraction under the event horizon in subcritical temperatures of a ring consiting of neutrino particlas first minutes after the Big Bang?
Now this guy is onto something!!!
Bent or leaning objects don't have the initial propulsion that a level object does. That is why bullets are level!
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jms
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BCBUD
The faster and object travels the less air resistantance there is.when the shoulders are square and level a punch travels much faster and further.now if one shoulder was higher than the other say the left side was higher and the right shoulder was lower this would decrease the initial propulsion and velocity of a punch therefore there would be much greater drag.Ernie Shavers shoulders are level and squarehttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eevCxv2fGRY
It's the exact opposite, more speed=more air resistance, hence terminal velocity. There is no logical way to draw your conclusions from a basic understanding of air resistance. Also Shavers' shoulders are uneven countless times in that one small highlight, like when throwing an overhand for example. Also, try slipping with your shoulders level, it doesn't work out.
You're talking about a length of time...objects can travel faster until they reach their settling speed.Yes! Shaver's shoulders are level. Mike Tyson slipped punches with level shoulders.fact
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BCBUD
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NVSemin
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Originally Posted by
BCBUD
The faster and object travels the less air resistantance there is.when the shoulders are square and level a punch travels much faster and further.now if one shoulder was higher than the other say the left side was higher and the right shoulder was lower this would decrease the initial propulsion and velocity of a punch therefore there would be much greater drag.Ernie Shavers shoulders are level and squarehttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eevCxv2fGRY
That's an interesting perspective. However, it is a bit naive, because this is only classical physics...
How about space-time curvature, fist-arm particle-wave duality, extremum of a Lagrangian for Higgs-fist and Sushi-roll interraction under the event horizon in subcritical temperatures of a ring consiting of neutrino particlas first minutes after the Big Bang?
Haha talk nerdy to me jk... Doesn't the world spin laterally without having to start its motion from having the left side up and the right side down? I unceremoniously offer up one last nerdy brain fart. the shoulders are the spinning wheel of gyroscope.What makes my surmise axiomatic is angular momentum that which measures the amount of rotation taking into account is mass, shape and speed.
Now back to Lord of the Rings!
The world is essentially a sphere. It doesn't have sides that can be up or down the way a body does. It also doesn't have something as simple as the gravity we experience to define which direction is "up" or down. Plus it's spinning while orbiting and moving in a vortex, but none of that shit is gonna make you punch harder. And you're trying to say the level of the shoulders significantly affects angular momentum?
What I am saying is that the shoulders are like the spinning wheel on a gyroscope.
There are so many fundamental errors in what you're saying and the conclusions you're drawing-- misunderstandings of physics, anatomy and boxing theory.
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Originally Posted by
NVSemin
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Originally Posted by
BCBUD
The faster and object travels the less air resistantance there is.when the shoulders are square and level a punch travels much faster and further.now if one shoulder was higher than the other say the left side was higher and the right shoulder was lower this would decrease the initial propulsion and velocity of a punch therefore there would be much greater drag.Ernie Shavers shoulders are level and squarehttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eevCxv2fGRY
That's an interesting perspective. However, it is a bit naive, because this is only classical physics...
How about space-time curvature, fist-arm particle-wave duality, extremum of a Lagrangian for Higgs-fist and Sushi-roll interraction under the event horizon in subcritical temperatures of a ring consiting of neutrino particlas first minutes after the Big Bang?
Now this guy is onto something!!!
Bent or leaning objects don't have the initial propulsion that a level object does. That is why bullets are level!
Bullshit, watch Roy Jones rising snap jab off a lowered relaxed left shoulder and ask yourself why could'nt anyone get out of the way of this snapping rising jab? Dawn of realization: he was totally relaxed so he fired at will. The body is not a tube of metal the fist is not a bullet coming out of one.
Again; one thing, or one rule; cant apply to every situation. In fighting this is more so.
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Law of aerodynamics in why air flows faster over the foil of a wing of an airplane,is because the top wing is curved much like the human arm.this is axiomatic! In saying that when was the last time that you seen airplane with the left wing up and the right wing lowered?
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Law of aerodynamics in why air flows faster over the foil of a wing of an airplane,is because the top wing is curved much like the human arm.this is axiomatic! In saying that when was the last time that you seen airplane with the left wing up and the right wing lowered?
You have to seriously consider writing screen plays for the Big Bang series
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Law of aerodynamics in why air flows faster over the foil of a wing of an airplane,is because the top wing is curved much like the human arm.this is axiomatic! In saying that when was the last time that you seen airplane with the left wing up and the right wing lowered?
Ive seen a couple of planes fighting each other too, but it wasnt in a ring or in a stance.
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Law of aerodynamics in why air flows faster over the foil of a wing of an airplane,is because the top wing is curved much like the human arm.this is axiomatic! In saying that when was the last time that you seen airplane with the left wing up and the right wing lowered?
Ive seen a couple of planes fighting each other too, but it wasnt in a ring or in a stance.
Well! I guess that settles it!
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Math shapes everything around mehttp://discovermagazine.com/~/media/Images/Issues/2013/December/math-made-flesh.jpg
http://math-fail.com/images-old/boxing-math.png
It makes no sense to fight of the back leg since as we know pressure cannot appear from nowhere in order to push the hand you have to push into the ground from the opposite direction, I.e the back leg being straight while the front leg bent.With one shoulder up and one shoulder down you have violated a law of pressure which I'll spare you the details on.
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I get the feeling this place is being trolled :mad:. Had that feeling for a while. Think Ive had it.
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Andre
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BCBUD
Law of aerodynamics in why air flows faster over the foil of a wing of an airplane,is because the top wing is curved much like the human arm.this is axiomatic! In saying that when was the last time that you seen airplane with the left wing up and the right wing lowered?
Ive seen a couple of planes fighting each other too, but it wasnt in a ring or in a stance.
Well! I guess that settles it!
Yep, you are so close.
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Math shapes everything around mehttp://discovermagazine.com/~/media/Images/Issues/2013/December/math-made-flesh.jpg
http://math-fail.com/images-old/boxing-math.png
It makes no sense to fight of the back leg since as we know pressure cannot appear from nowhere in order to push the hand you have to push into the ground from the opposite direction, I.e the back leg being straight while the front leg bent.With one shoulder up and one shoulder down you have violated a law of pressure which I'll spare you the details on.
Maybe its a language problem. When i say fighting of the back foot, I actually mean on the backfoot with knee bent not straight. Straight back leg means the head is in the wrong place.
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I get the feeling this place is being trolled :mad:. Had that feeling for a while. Think Ive had it.
Been thinking the same thing.
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BCBUD
Math shapes everything around mehttp://discovermagazine.com/~/media/Images/Issues/2013/December/math-made-flesh.jpg
http://math-fail.com/images-old/boxing-math.png
It makes no sense to fight of the back leg since as we know pressure cannot appear from nowhere in order to push the hand you have to push into the ground from the opposite direction, I.e the back leg being straight while the front leg bent.With one shoulder up and one shoulder down you have violated a law of pressure which I'll spare you the details on.
Pressure? as in P=F/A? I'd like to see you try to explain that one.
