I read in one of these threads a few days ago (i cant find it) someone said not to place the chin too low but instead to place it back
Has anyone else heard of this and why you should do it? Ive always heard to tuck it as deep as you can
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I read in one of these threads a few days ago (i cant find it) someone said not to place the chin too low but instead to place it back
Has anyone else heard of this and why you should do it? Ive always heard to tuck it as deep as you can
Hah! If the chin is backwards than your gonna get hit stepping forward. Try this in the mirror place your chin backwards, now try ducking. Get the point even better try rolling and slipping, bobbing and weaving or any way that you can move your head with the chin backwards. Now try it with the chin tucked in.Quote:
Originally Posted by infomer24
Dropping the chin more than 15 degrees any way restricts movement of what moves the body, plus gives the wrong signals to it, and posture.Quote:
Originally Posted by infomer24
Sounds like a Hong Kong housing scheme.
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Originally Posted by Andre
Its a chin ponzy.
Found an interesting and fascinating clip of Mike Tyson's defense in the past I had given unfactual info as to the placement of the head of Iron Mike.what confused me is that I thought in order for Mike to move his head laterally his chin needed to be straight up, yes with a slight bend forwards-however I have discovered that this was not the case that his head was actually buried into his chest and here are photos to prove that.the science of mike tyson and elements of peek-a-boo part II | www.SugarBoxing.com
My sincerest apologies to anyone who had previously and unfortunately listened to my unfactual advice from this moment on. I promise to this forum and its moderators that I will reference everything in the future.:)
Here's how Iran Barkley fought against one of the hardest punching ATG fighters Tommy Hearnshttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o8e0bel-eFQ 11:40
Speed Power and body awareness, cns and pns work more efficiently, with the oral cavity being in the right place, hope this helps :confused:,
Which is why he was stopped because both eyes were swollen shut... He sacrificed offence for defence thinking that if he kept his head down he'd evade most head punches and body shots...in the end he ate to many uppercuts and lost speed.but what else could have done differently since he couldn't match Toney's hand speed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrap
Havent seen the fight, but there was only one winner in that fight on paper.Quote:
Originally Posted by BCBUDWhich is why he was stopped because both eyes were swollen shut... He sacrificed offence for defence thinking that if he kept his head down he'd evade most head punches and body shots...in the end he ate to many uppercuts and lost speed.but what else could have done differently since he couldn't match Toney's hand speed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrap
How does one evade head blows on the inside if: they're slower or shorter?Quote:
Originally Posted by ScrapHavent seen the fight, but there was only one winner in that fight on paper.Quote:
Originally Posted by BCBUDWhich is why he was stopped because both eyes were swollen shut... He sacrificed offence for defence thinking that if he kept his head down he'd evade most head punches and body shots...in the end he ate to many uppercuts and lost speed.but what else could have done differently since he couldn't match Toney's hand speed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrap
Theres loads of waysQuote:
Originally Posted by BCBUDHow does one evade head blows on the inside if: they're slower or shorter?Quote:
Originally Posted by ScrapHavent seen the fight, but there was only one winner in that fight on paper.Quote:
Originally Posted by BCBUDWhich is why he was stopped because both eyes were swollen shut... He sacrificed offence for defence thinking that if he kept his head down he'd evade most head punches and body shots...in the end he ate to many uppercuts and lost speed.but what else could have done differently since he couldn't match Toney's hand speed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrap
Here's an old interview with Jake lamotta and Mike Tyson talking about how to gain advantage over the bigger man... Do you agree with them?https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Iz9yrOjEm5I 8:09Quote:
Originally Posted by ScrapTheres loads of waysQuote:
Originally Posted by BCBUDHow does one evade head blows on the inside if: they're slower or shorter?Quote:
Originally Posted by ScrapHavent seen the fight, but there was only one winner in that fight on paper.Quote:
Originally Posted by BCBUDWhich is why he was stopped because both eyes were swollen shut... He sacrificed offence for defence thinking that if he kept his head down he'd evade most head punches and body shots...in the end he ate to many uppercuts and lost speed.but what else could have done differently since he couldn't match Toney's hand speed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrap
Here's an old interview with Jake lamotta and Mike Tyson talking about how to gain advantage over the bigger man... Do you agree with them?https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Iz9yrOjEm5I 8:09[/QUOTE]
If you have the ability and skill set, most things can be achieved. If not, theres a problem.
If you have the ability and skill set, most things can be achieved. If not, theres a problem.[/QUOTE]here's a legend (giant killer)in the sport of boxing, listen to what his game plan that made him champ. pay close attn to what his says about posture!Smitty in the Ring at The Intl. Boxing Hall of Fame - YouTubeQuote:
Originally Posted by Scrap
Scrap was right keeping your chin up helps relax your back so if you keep your chin tucked down below 50° actually has the opposite effect T Nation | Little Known, Controversial Deadlift Tips
Never said keep the chin up, you keep it in.Quote:
Originally Posted by BCBUD
Right! Tucked in at 15 degrees. Meant keeping it tucked into your chest like I'm being taught now. Which doesn't relax the back.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScrapNever said keep the chin up, you keep it in.Quote:
Originally Posted by BCBUD
http://www.sugar boxing.com/the-science-of-mike-tyson-and-elements-of-peek-a-boo-part-ii/
Down restricts the airways and the mechanics of balance. Also you are waiting to get hit, not a good idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by BCBUDRight! Tucked in at 15 degrees. Meant keeping it tucked into your chest like I'm being taught now. Which doesn't relax the back.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScrapNever said keep the chin up, you keep it in.Quote:
Originally Posted by BCBUD
http://www.sugar boxing.com/the-science-of-mike-tyson-and-elements-of-peek-a-boo-part-ii/
I got hit by the uppercut the other day... No head is a bad idea... Will keeping my head down effect stamina and endurance in the later rounds?Quote:
Originally Posted by ScrapDown restricts the airways and the mechanics of balance. Also you are waiting to get hit, not a good idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by BCBUDRight! Tucked in at 15 degrees. Meant keeping it tucked into your chest like I'm being taught now. Which doesn't relax the back.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScrapNever said keep the chin up, you keep it in.Quote:
Originally Posted by BCBUD
http://www.sugar boxing.com/the-science-of-mike-tyson-and-elements-of-peek-a-boo-part-ii/
Chin position is one of the most important factors and 99.9% of people coaching fighters have got it wrong. if your chin isnt in the right place your shoulders arent primed for attacks and your hips arent in optimal position to punch or move with strength, speed or control. Chin position effects everything.
I could go into a great amount of detail asto why scrap is correct but i dont have time, easier to just say listen to what he says. Greats dont count Tyson could break posture without it effecting his punch power or mobility because he was tyson and he was skilled.
The average joe blogs cant do what tyson does and cant punch like tyson because of the reasons scrap points out, bad positioning makes it difficult. if joe blogs is shown good positioning he has half a chance of hitting with power like tyson, kink his posture like tyson did and uve made it too difficult for average joe, he doesnt have the motor unit recruitment capacity to do it. Tyson did.
Wayne can you explain to me why a top level coach would want his fighters to keep their heads down for, When they're coming in with their chin almost touching the chest and bobbing and weaving knowing that there's no power behind that? Why would a coach say no standing up straight keep your head down and get inside?Quote:
Originally Posted by WayneFlint
I would say its because a lot of trainers dont think about posture, maybe because they dont understand the potential to be had in terms of posture and its effects on strength, power and mobility.
They are trying to give the chin some cover from hooks, however there is too much lost in the tradeoff for my likeing.
You must think in the most basic terms also in boxing, bobbing around low down with your chin on the chest opens you up for uppercuts that can be thrown while your coming in.
Without sounding like a kiss ass the bare knacker of it is i have trained with all types of coaches at national level inmultiple combat sports since i was 6 and i have never met anyone who puts a fraction of the thought that scrap puts into his work.
That's it! I can already hear it you got hit square and proper because your chin was up.next time try and stick your chin into the chest!Quote:
Originally Posted by WayneFlint
This may work well for a diver but for the average person it doesn't. much better to move out on the backfoot and lean backwards, when dealing with the hooks.http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/...66_634x420.jpg