Anyone see this or am I late!?
http://youtu.be/fQmUyOWTwTw
I really used to dislike JC but have done a 360 with him.
Always liked froch.
Workrate would be too much for froch so he would need to knock him out...froch never ducked anyone.
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Anyone see this or am I late!?
http://youtu.be/fQmUyOWTwTw
I really used to dislike JC but have done a 360 with him.
Always liked froch.
Workrate would be too much for froch so he would need to knock him out...froch never ducked anyone.
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Froch wasn't quite as unbearable then, and he was bang on. Calzaghe would've won a wide points decision.
Frochs arm pits. Nerves there.
Froch is a beast. Joe may have been too fast n unorthodox though. Good match up. Would love to see the Froch who blasted out Bute fight Joe. Would honestly favor Carl.
Froch would be lucky to win a round or two.
Froch comes right out and says "if it had gone the distance, he would have got me on points, I'd have to chin him". No fighter says that if they are truly confident of beating someone. Calzaghe would have shut him out I think, maybe Froch would have caught him and made it a war in spots, but Joe was tough enough to outfight him if need be.
I remember this, he was an annoying little shit back then aswell.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
this is why I like Groves, he knuckled down and did the hard work to get a mandatory position.
I mean, Calzaghe was fighting for like over a decade in world title fights against your RJJs, B-Hops and Kesslers of the world.
Why would he ever have just handed Froch the nobody at that time a title shot?
i reckon calzaghe would win too
thing is tho in virtually all of frochs big fights people are saying he would lose
AA, Kesler, Bute, Taylor to name 4
could have been number 5 :)
Nah, Calzaghe would have been to quick and Andre Ward'd him.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
But the cheek of Froch to ever disrespect Groves who knocked people out to get his mandatory shot when Carl started his career on his knees shouting out Calzaghe,
This is a fair point. As much as I'm not a fan of Froch and I don't rate him particularly highly against the best, I have to give him credit that every time I think he'll lose, he always proves me wrong. Because of his fitness and his Granite chin, he is always in the fight no matter how far down he is on points. There is always a possibility of him turning round a fight in the 12th round.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
But against Calzaghe , that possibility is very, very,slim. Calzaghe used to do 12 rounds for fun and be strong at the end, he had no choice because with his Hand problems for most of his career, he couldn't finish anybody off. Wide points win and Froch knows it tbf.
Joe would have given Carl a boxing lesson, no if's or but or but's remember Joe was a tough SOB
himself, looking at both there carers Joe was a two weight Champion, undefeated and the No1
super middle. Regardless what Froch has done he never has been the No1 at the weight, he has
lost twice, yes a tough git, Carl is a very good fighter.! but Joe is a great one.;)
yes he would need----and he would!---knock his ass ooouutttt!Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
Calzoggy may have been a greater fighter. But Froch would club him out. Like Foreman clubbed the slickster Kenny Norton.
nah, joe didnt holdQuote:
Originally Posted by VendettosNah, Calzaghe would have been to quick and Andre Ward'd him.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
But the cheek of Froch to ever disrespect Groves who knocked people out to get his mandatory shot when Carl started his career on his knees shouting out Calzaghe,
Shut up and eat your Cake.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
If Robin Reid and Hopkins can beat Calzaghe, Froch has a chance. Bad style for Froch, if they fought 10 times he might win 3
What do you mean beat Calzage, Adam stop reading the Beano mate try Box Rec.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
The only guy I see beating Cal in his prime since the division started is Roy Jones.
Don't tell me you read the Dandy mate.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
I think the fight would be tough for Joe like the Bika fight. Froch would have to make it rough and tough. Froch had a bomb of a right hand and that would hurt Joe. You can never say for certain Joe would win but the chances are he would win most times.
Don't tell me you read the Beano as well.:vd:Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Robin reid fight was close but I feel that hopkins would have got the nod if he never mentioned the white boy comment..plus the rematch should have happened..!
Joe is a fantastic boxer but if the two andres can beat froch then I think that JC would edge it.
A prime roy jones is just fantasy but I would love to see how they would both deal with each others great boxing skills.
No Joe would win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bandoDon't tell me you read the Beano as well.:vd:Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Reid and Hopkins did not beat Joe.
Not James Toney? That would have been a great fight, but I'd see Calzaghe being led into right hands all night.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Not sure who this James Toney is who is always spoken of;). Did he even fight at 168? Kidding. He did pick up a trinket and manged to get by Barkley and Williams but he'd be eating straight lefts from Joe and would fall apart at the seams do to activity.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingNot James Toney? That would have been a great fight, but I'd see Calzaghe being led into right hands all night.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
While Hopkins schooled him at times, but Cal's work rate was too much and edged the fight his way.
Someone posted that JC style was unorthodox, that is how he beat Kessler and how he would've beatan Froch... and made it look easy.
The dream fight would've been a prime unorthodox RJJ vs unorthodox JC.
JC vs Froch wouldn't live up to the expectations...IMO.
only one person called andre has beaten frochQuote:
Originally Posted by imp
calzaghe v hopkins was easy to score and although close joe clearly won
Let them eat cake. Bwahaa or cornbread at a famous restaurant called Denny's bwahaQuote:
Originally Posted by Dia bandoShut up and eat your Cake.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Most of the fights referred to here were past Joe's prime. But either way he wins. But a past his prime Joe won't have the power to stop Froch coming forward so it will be closer.
As an aside, I often wonder how different Joe would have been as a fighter with a different trainer. I think much of his work with his dad was based on instinct rather than methodology. I think perhaps with his natural talents he could have been (even) better than he was.
I think it's swings and roundabouts as far as a different trainer goes. Yes , there are probably better/more knowledgeable trainers that Joe could've linked up with, and could probably have stretched him more and improved him, but on the other side , if you feel comfortable with somebody and don't like change too much, it can have a negative effect. for example , look at how many trainers Khan has gone through (not that Khan is in Joe's league mind you!)Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanman
I think the most telling factor wasn't so much that he was past his prime, I genuinely think he changed as a fighter when he started to get hand trouble. in his early days, he was fairly heavy handed, I mean , there aren't many who put Eubank on his ass. Although it can be said that Eubank was past his prime, his chin wasn't .
His "tippy tappy" style came when he started to have hand problems.
Absolutely. His hand problems prompted the change in style.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI think it's swings and roundabouts as far as a different trainer goes. Yes , there are probably better/more knowledgeable trainers that Joe could've linked up with, and could probably have stretched him more and improved him, but on the other side , if you feel comfortable with somebody and don't like change too much, it can have a negative effect. for example , look at how many trainers Khan has gone through (not that Khan is in Joe's league mind you!)Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanman
I think the most telling factor wasn't so much that he was past his prime, I genuinely think he changed as a fighter when he started to get hand trouble. in his early days, he was fairly heavy handed, I mean , there aren't many who put Eubank on his ass. Although it can be said that Eubank was past his prime, his chin wasn't .
His "tippy tappy" style came when he started to have hand problems.
He had his physical prime and he had his ring generalship prime and they didn't really overlap much if at all.
Which is a shame, but then again maybe he wouldn't have ever have developed that adaptability had he not been forced to.
Agreed. Mind you , what I do find strange is that I remember Joe in his early days (Before his hand problems) being a bit "Slappy". and when somebody punches like that, you wouldn't normally expect to get problems with their fist and knuckles , which is normally the hand problems you get.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanAbsolutely. His hand problems prompted the change in style.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraI think it's swings and roundabouts as far as a different trainer goes. Yes , there are probably better/more knowledgeable trainers that Joe could've linked up with, and could probably have stretched him more and improved him, but on the other side , if you feel comfortable with somebody and don't like change too much, it can have a negative effect. for example , look at how many trainers Khan has gone through (not that Khan is in Joe's league mind you!)Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanman
I think the most telling factor wasn't so much that he was past his prime, I genuinely think he changed as a fighter when he started to get hand trouble. in his early days, he was fairly heavy handed, I mean , there aren't many who put Eubank on his ass. Although it can be said that Eubank was past his prime, his chin wasn't .
His "tippy tappy" style came when he started to have hand problems.
He had his physical prime and he had his ring generalship prime and they didn't really overlap much if at all.
Which is a shame, but then again maybe he wouldn't have ever have developed that adaptability had he not been forced to.
Joe Cal-slappy: punches in bunches, awkward southpaw, super output and conditioning, slick off the back foot.....mehhhhh.....
Froch knocks his ass out with GLANCING BLOWS.
Calzaghe would beat Froch and make it look easy, Joe gave Kessler a boxing lesson Froch lost
and won one against Kessler, both very close fights.
Remember Joe has been on his ASS , and got up to win to be honest he would make Carl
look pretty average, and that's what Ward did.
Froch trades on being tough against good boxers he falls short, if you play his game your in
for a tough fight.
Sorry chaps heard all this BS time and time again, Joe Calzaghe is just to good for
Carl The Cock Froch.;)
Agree with everything except the bit about giving Kessler a boxing lesson. I was at that fight and it was probably the toughest fight Calzaghe ever had. What I will say is that was Kessler in his absolute prime. Even the Kessler that beat Froch (fairly easily) wasn't as good as the Kessler that lost to JC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
says it all really.
I scored froch Kessler 1 to froch, either way it definitely wasn't easyQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo CarneraAgree with everything except the bit about giving Kessler a boxing lesson. I was at that fight and it was probably the toughest fight Calzaghe ever had. What I will say is that was Kessler in his absolute prime. Even the Kessler that beat Froch (fairly easily) wasn't as good as the Kessler that lost to JC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
says it all really.
@Dia bando what the FROCH are you on about? King Carl would get beat for 6-8 rounds by the Happy Pappy-Slapper AND THEN HE WOULD DELIVER THE BLOW. YOu know, that FROCHING inevitable Hammer Blow from Sherwood Forest.
Like he always does.
He smoked Groves twice at his advanced age that he was, imagine how he would push Calzaghe all around the ring, it would be a 16 foot ring. 8 ounce gloves and Joe would be battered by even glancing blows. Froch would pound onn the shoulders and biceps. Joe's arms would slowly drop by the 8th round. Froch only would need to land about 5 or 6 wicked body shots, bringing the arms down further, then BOOOOM.
What has Groves done? He's done as much as he's going to.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Its easy to now say Froch would have done this that and the other but just using Kessler as an example. Froch struggled with and lost to Kessler who was coming off a loss to Ward. Calzaghe faced an unbeaten Kessler that was a unified champion and really figured him out to the point it was a masterclass.
Froch would get out hustled big time here and look as clueless as he did against Ward.
I think you are joking. Can you be serious Brock?Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust