Joshua v Johnson - Capital Punishment @ London's O2 Arena 31/01/15

Confirmed :cool:

Capital Punishment | Matchroom Boxing

That's the main event? I would have assumed it would be sharing another bill, not really much of a fight in itself. Good for Joshua to be fighting a guy who should go 12 and is sound defensively, but that's about all this is.

Shit card I agree and it should be a decent test but I think AJ will bang him out inside the distance :) if he does then we do have a potential title holder coming through, Johnson isn't exactly a big hitter which is def what AJ needs after this or at least someone to hit him back hard.
Be interesting to see how many he can pull into the O2 arena... end of January when cash can be tight for most people and a poor undercard :/
Its a good test anyway and I'm curious to see if his punches are as destructive as I hope ;)

I disagree. This is a decent card imo. I think Johnson gets blasted out early which will add hype to the AJ train. Estrada v Mitchell is a very good fight. Estrada gave Figueroa hell for the 1st 6 rounds and I dont think if he does that to Mitchell he could stop him early. The rumour is Ryder is fighting Heiland who just beat Macklin and given their styles that could be a war. The other fights arent big names but the majority are fun fighters so all in all I see this as an entertaining card. Its not like its PPV or anything.

That's a better card so far than what they served up last Saturday.

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That's a better card so far than what they served up last Saturday.

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I was thinking last weeks card, would be good but it was shit.

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That's a better card so far than what they served up last Saturday.

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I was thinking last weeks card, would be good but it was shit.

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Every fight was ridiculously lobsided bar the main event. I rarely get excited about a fight where the fav is shorter than 10s on

Just glad it is not PPV.

So nearly 8000 tickets already sold and the first press conference tom.

Hearn seems to want to get AJ in their with Fury in 2015 and he's mentioned it in several interviews so far this week.

Makes financial sense all day long and will happen I'm sure.

Correction.... press conference is today

Just read this article from Steve Bunce. He's basically calling Eddie/Matchroom a cunt for making this match. Clearly thinks it's much too soon and a stupid risk to take.


Anthony Joshua exposed - fight with Kevin Johnson will reveal how good he really is, says Steve Bunc | Boxing Features | ESPN.co.uk

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Just read this article from Steve Bunce. He's basically calling Eddie/Matchroom a cunt for making this match. Clearly thinks it's much too soon and a stupid risk to take.


Anthony Joshua exposed - fight with Kevin Johnson will reveal how good he really is, says Steve Bunc | Boxing Features | ESPN.co.uk

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Johnson, who lost his WBC title bout with Vitali Klitschko on points in 2009, is arguably the best heavyweight in the last 25 years never to have won a world heavyweight title and there is some good competition.

im not sure i agree with that

Johnson is proper pie and mash, he'll definitely give it to Joshua in the build-up, which will be more interesting than the actual fight. Everyone else who Joshua has fought has been all nicey-nicey.

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Just read this article from Steve Bunce. He's basically calling Eddie/Matchroom a cunt for making this match. Clearly thinks it's much too soon and a stupid risk to take.


Anthony Joshua exposed - fight with Kevin Johnson will reveal how good he really is, says Steve Bunc | Boxing Features | ESPN.co.uk

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Johnson, who lost his WBC title bout with Vitali Klitschko on points in 2009, is arguably the best heavyweight in the last 25 years never to have won a world heavyweight title and there is some good competition.

im not sure i agree with that

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I smiled when I read that bit.

Arguably is such a weasel word when it comes to writing. It gives the writer a huge amount of leeway in terms of being able to back up what they say. Arguably, Anthony Joshua is already showing signs that he is better than Klitschko. The fact is, you can argue just about anything, and picking and choosing stats is easy. I could ignore the level of opponent and argue that Joshua is knocking out everyone in his path while Klitschko is having a much more difficult time with his opponents.

In fact, I am arguably the best super flyweight boxer never to have fought in the super flyweight division.

Anyhow, another step in the right direction for Joshua, and Johnson is another rung on the ladder that he will need to get past. I don't see any evidence in recent fights that Johnson can really trouble him, but he may stick around for longer than some of Joshua's opponents.

Hearns not gonna risk his biggest cash cow (apart from Froch) unless he's sure he's gonna win.

If I'm honest in bored of seeing AJ go 1 - 2 rounds and he's clearly ready for a considerable step up in opponent so fuck it put him in with someone who's never been stopped and lets see if he can stop him.

I think he can and will and I think pretty much inside 6-7 after he's rearranged his face a bit.

Time to unleash him I say.

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Hearns not gonna risk his biggest cash cow (apart from Froch) unless he's sure he's gonna win.

If I'm honest in bored of seeing AJ go 1 - 2 rounds and he's clearly ready for a considerable step up in opponent so fuck it put him in with someone who's never been stopped and lets see if he can stop him.

I think he can and will and I think pretty much inside 6-7 after he's rearranged his face a bit.

Time to unleash him I say.

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Pretty much agree with all of this. But I can't help thinking we're looking at this the wrong way. Yes, AJ needs rounds, but he doesn't just need someone he can hit for 10 or 12 rounds, he needs somebody who's gonna hit him back .........and hard. if he still bowls them over , then so be it. He needs a chin check (which I personally think he will pass with flying colours!). Otherwise , he'll have a similar problem to Eubank jr. Very Strong, Very talented, great potential, but untried as he goes up the levels and not working out how to cope with the problems he'll come across.
I think after Johnson, he needs a much bigger step again, and I think he's up to it. It's not an easy job for Eddie Hearn, but with all his recent calling out of Tyson Fury, I think he understands where AJ is.
I'm not usually a knee jerk type, but This guy could change the face of the Heavyweight division completely!

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hearns not gonna risk his biggest cash cow (apart from froch) unless he's sure he's gonna win.

If i'm honest in bored of seeing aj go 1 - 2 rounds and he's clearly ready for a considerable step up in opponent so fuck it put him in with someone who's never been stopped and lets see if he can stop him.

I think he can and will and i think pretty much inside 6-7 after he's rearranged his face a bit.

Time to unleash him i say.

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pretty much agree with all of this. But i can't help thinking we're looking at this the wrong way. Yes, aj needs rounds, but he doesn't just need someone he can hit for 10 or 12 rounds, he needs somebody who's gonna hit him back .........and hard. If he still bowls them over , then so be it. He needs a chin check (which i personally think he will pass with flying colours!). Otherwise , he'll have a similar problem to eubank jr. Very strong, very talented, great potential, but untried as he goes up the levels and not working out how to cope with the problems he'll come across.
I think after johnson, he needs a much bigger step again, and i think he's up to it. It's not an easy job for eddie hearn, but with all his recent calling out of tyson fury, i think he understands where aj is.
I'm not usually a knee jerk type, but this guy could change the face of the heavyweight division completely!

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worldwide!

I've gone all in with Joshua. I think he's gonna be the business. I think the stamina worries and what not will turnout to be no problem at all.

I think right now he would KO Chisora inside 2 rounds. He would KO Fury. He would KO Price inside 2 minutes. Wilder wouldn't make it to the 2nd round. Stiverne is gonna get chinned out by Wilder. Big Daddy Browne would get a hiding.

(I apologise in advance Mr Joshua)

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I've gone all in with Joshua. I think he's gonna be the business. I think the stamina worries and what not will turnout to be no problem at all.

I think right now he would KO Chisora inside 2 rounds. He would KO Fury. He would KO Price inside 2 minutes. Wilder wouldn't make it to the 2nd round. Stiverne is gonna get chinned out by Wilder. Big Daddy Browne would get a hiding.

(I apologise in advance Mr Joshua)

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Did you see Boylesports were evens his fight with Johnson not to go the distance? Bet of the year for me :D

I wouldnt have such confidence in him yet blasting out all the guys mentioned above.

For me it's a risk that has to be taken, there's no option but to take it. When you take it that's up to you but once you've chinned out 10 plodders is there any real value in chinning out another 10?


If you're an 11 stone bloke there are hundreds of fighters out there of all varieties and flavours to test every aspect of a fighters makeup. For blokes at the top and bottom end of the weight scale the pickings become slimmer and you've got to at some point make the leap.


There are two stepping stones for the young fighters in Johnson and Thompson who are separate from the heard of plodders. Both blokes will extend you in some way shape or form, if you've got half a clue (Fury.......did I just say that?) it'll be in rounds boxed only but if you want to be a twat about it (Price) you'll get your chin/metal checked.


I think Joshua beats Johnson in the same way Fury did. Don't give him a sniff and he'll become compliant pretty quickly. If he chins him out after 6 dominant and active rounds that'd be perfect.

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I've gone all in with Joshua. I think he's gonna be the business. I think the stamina worries and what not will turnout to be no problem at all.

I think right now he would KO Chisora inside 2 rounds. He would KO Fury. He would KO Price inside 2 minutes. Wilder wouldn't make it to the 2nd round. Stiverne is gonna get chinned out by Wilder. Big Daddy Browne would get a hiding.

(I apologise in advance Mr Joshua)

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he'll fight chiz after jonno

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Originally Posted by Fenster

I've gone all in with Joshua. I think he's gonna be the business. I think the stamina worries and what not will turnout to be no problem at all.

I think right now he would KO Chisora inside 2 rounds. He would KO Fury. He would KO Price inside

2 minutes. Wilder wouldn't make it to

the 2nd round. Stiverne is gonna get chinned out by Wilder. Big Daddy Browne would get a hiding.

(I apologise in advance Mr Joshua)

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he'll fight chiz after jonno

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And Fury after that.

Johnson offered AJ a bet that he can't KO him, 50% of his purse to charity if he failed but Joshua refused.

He's got some mouth on him and is already playing mind games, AJ seemed to just keep his cool and not get sucked in...... yet ;)

Its a stupid risk. People were concerned about whether Eubank Jr could do 12 after fighting nobodies but t least he had been 8 before. Joshua is going from journeyman who couldn't take him 3 whole rounds to someone who is a proven tough man over 12.

Hearn is getting carried away. Plenty of other opponents he could be graduating up with. 3 to 12 rounds is a big gamble;)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x7-156i_C5E

Johnson's views

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y9_4BOWZOY4

Joshua's views

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0uLLS3uRd8E

Dillian Whyte's views, which is interesting he said Johnson had the better of both of him and Joshua in sparring in the kiltshko camp. Johnson has been in training since July and isn't taken this on short notice and he's got a trainer now. So this should be the best Johnson to date apparently.

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x7-156i_C5E

Johnson's views

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y9_4BOWZOY4

Joshua's views

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0uLLS3uRd8E

Dillian Whyte's views, which is interesting he said Johnson had the better of both of him and Joshua in sparring in the kiltshko camp. Johnson has been in training since July and isn't taken this on short notice and he's got a trainer now. So this should be the best Johnson to date apparently.

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I read the same the other day ;) Johnson is deadly serious about this one.

Don't agree with you Ross .... if AJ is the real deal then this should not be a problem for him....I mean didn't Chisora put Johnson on his ass once ?

This imo could be over in a matter of rounds ;)

I love the fact that Joshua is having this kind of fight so early in his career.

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Its a stupid risk. People were concerned about whether Eubank Jr could do 12 after fighting nobodies but t least he had been 8 before. Joshua is going from journeyman who couldn't take him 3 whole rounds to someone who is a proven tough man over 12.

Hearn is getting carried away. Plenty of other opponents he could be graduating up with. 3 to 12 rounds is a big gamble;)

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I dont see this as a risk at all. I cant see any way Johnson can beat Joshua. If Joshua doesnt get him out of there in 2 or 3 he will just have to take his foot off the gas and cruise to a points win. Johnson hasnt the one punch power to cause an upset here. Id almost suggest a weaker boxer like Abell or someone who has a decent punch is a bigger risk than Johnson.

I agree. The only danger to me is Joshua doing a Price and blowing up. I think he's got a bit more about him than that. Make no mistake he'll be looking to stop him but he'll allow it to come, not force it.

I think Ross knows (as we all do) that AJ would put Fury away inside a few rounds ;)

Infact I don't think Fury would make it past 4 rounds.

Bang bang bang..... game over.

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I think Ross knows (as we all do) that AJ would put Fury away inside a few rounds ;)

Infact I don't think Fury would make it past 4 rounds.

Bang bang bang..... game over.

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I think AJ will beat Fury a year or 2 down the line, but roght now Id favour Fury.

Until Joshua beats somebody who's actually good I don't think he would simply take fury out or even beat him. This kind of fight is a decent marker for that though, not any of the previous ten.

I'd have to make Fury favourite too. I don't doubt Joshua could spark him but then again I don't doubt David Price could spark him, I'd still back Fury to beat Price.

Ffs fellas....seriously???

Don't think Furys any good because Del Boy didn't turn up on Sat.

Fury is still untested dog shit who has cleverly swerved his way to where he's at
..he's fought nobody and was put on his back by a Cruiserweight non puncher.

Don't get sucked into this BS Fury Hype.

AJ would destroy him in a few rounds on sheer power alone.

Someone please enlighten me on just how Fury keeps a young, huge , fast and seriously aggresive cunt of a man off him for more than 45 seconds.

Is he gonna out fox an Olympic Champion with a southpaw stance maybe? :) because he in no way in a million years has anything to stop Joshua landing huge punches inside or out.


Really is a no contest even tom imo.

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Ffs fellas....seriously???

Don't think Furys any good because Del Boy didn't turn up on Sat.

Fury is still untested dog shit who has cleverly swerved his way to where he's at
..he's fought nobody and was put on his back by a Cruiserweight non puncher.

Don't get sucked into this BS Fury Hype.

AJ would destroy him in a few rounds on sheer power alone.

Someone please enlighten me on just how Fury keeps a young, huge , fast and seriously aggresive cunt of a man off him for more than 45 seconds.

Is he gonna out fox an Olympic Champion with a southpaw stance maybe? :) because he in no way in a million years has anything to stop Joshua landing huge punches inside or out.


Really is a no contest even tom imo.

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He's done that against stiffs, if he does it against ranked contenders that's a different story. Aj is talented I'm not saying he's not, but you look at Cunningham post Fury and he's had three solid wins at heavy, one of which he knocked out a 300 pound Samoan. Nobody has ever stopped Cunningham and Fury did, cunnigham has fought quality fighters at cruiserweight and he got up off the floor vs Mansour twice who's a massive puncher...Mansour might have had knock out of the year lasts time out. Chisora is a top rated heavyweight and Fury just schooled him, nobody has done that either. Fury is better than you think IMO.

You could be right but all that you said can be applied to Joshua too. He hasnt fought anyone half decent. In the amateurs he was beaten IMO by a cuban boxer who out jabbed him. While the Cuban is better technically then Fury, Fury will still have the reach advantage and a good jab could set him up for the win.

We have no idea as to how Joshua reacts to getting hit and while Fury doesnt have the best chin, he clearly has heart and wont go into a shell. I dont think Johnson will tell us much about how hed fair against Fury either. It would be a great matchup if it could happen soon but I cant see it happening in the next few years.

David Price would be a great test for Joshua but cant see them putting him in with Price for a long time either.

I love the fact that AJ has arrived in these chats :)

I love the fact that AJ has arrived in these chats :)

Huge star in the making... I'm sold on this ;)

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I love the fact that AJ has arrived in these chats :)

Huge star in the making... I'm sold on this ;)

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I just hope hes not treated like Deontay Wilder

How can he be?

This is a huge step up after 10 fights.... Wilder has long been in double figures and faced no one and nothing at all.

Completely different paths