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Eubank Jr. lost last night. What in the world was he doing in the corner in the early rounds? WTH? What arrogance.... and dressed in a suit to boot? GTHOOH!!!
Eubank came on strong in the latter stages, but Saunders was already ahead on points and was in a position to lose a few rounds if he split from round 6 to 12, or even won 2 of the last 6 rounds.
Terrible strategy. Plus, Eubank looked taken aback by the spotlight just a little bit. Good win for Saunders, because I did not think he had it- but has more pedigree than I gave him credit for.
Eubank Jr. let that one slip away. He will regret it for the rest of his life. He had all the tools to win, but just started too late and wasn't working hard enough.
The Eubank from round 6 and on, if he had poured that on in round 2, at least, he would have won that easily if he had kept up the pressure.
But, like the other Chris, Algieri, his trainer didn't let him out of his cage early enough.
DISSAPOINTED IN THE EUBANK CLAN!!!
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Why will he regret this for the rest of his life? If Saunders goes onto win a world title he will have only lost to a world class fighter in his first step up, and lost in a very close fight. Saunders has also said if he wins he will defent it against Eubank. By that logic Eubank has got himself into title contention without doing anything. Not much to regret there.
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It's so weird being on a British boxing forum because these names get thrown around like they're relevant haha.
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Originally Posted by
ykdadamaja
Eubank Jr. lost last night. What in the world was he doing in the corner in the early rounds? WTH? What arrogance.... and dressed in a suit to boot? GTHOOH!!!
Eubank came on strong in the latter stages, but Saunders was already ahead on points and was in a position to lose a few rounds if he split from round 6 to 12, or even won 2 of the last 6 rounds.
Terrible strategy. Plus, Eubank looked taken aback by the spotlight just a little bit. Good win for Saunders, because I did not think he had it- but has more pedigree than I gave him credit for.
Eubank Jr. let that one slip away. He will regret it for the rest of his life. He had all the tools to win, but just started too late and wasn't working hard enough.
The Eubank from round 6 and on, if he had poured that on in round 2, at least, he would have won that easily if he had kept up the pressure.
But, like the other Chris, Algieri, his trainer didn't let him out of his cage early enough.
DISSAPOINTED IN THE EUBANK CLAN!!!
I had 116-115 for Eubank.
But in no way would I say that Saunders did not deserve to win. It was a close fight, very close fight. Saunders amatuer pedigree got him through, he was pecking and poking and more accurate.
Eubank Jnr seemed obsessed with the uppercut but really good fight.
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I smell Frank Warren's dirty little mits all over this. The excuse to downplay the Eubank loss was there prior- if he loses, he will have lost to a world class fighter.
Does anyone REALLY think that Saunders has a chance to beat any top MW out there- Golovkin, Murray, Koborov, Quillen or Cotto??
Eubank still has up to go, but he lost a fight when he did not need to. Eubank Sr. should stay out of his corner.
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It's so weird being on a British boxing forum because these names get thrown around like they're relevant haha.
Being on a British forum they are relevant you massive Canadian tool.
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Originally Posted by
ykdadamaja
I smell Frank Warren's dirty little mits all over this. The excuse to downplay the Eubank loss was there prior- if he loses, he will have lost to a world class fighter.
Does anyone REALLY think that Saunders has a chance to beat any top MW out there- Golovkin, Murray, Koborov, Quillen or Cotto??
Eubank still has up to go, but he lost a fight when he did not need to. Eubank Sr. should stay out of his corner.
Saunders could beat Korobov who isnt that good. Murray would be a very close fight with Murray slight fav. Golovkin would destroy him. He could beat Quillin if he can handle his power. Cotto is an interesting fight but id say Cotto is too good for him but given his age and not being a natural MW it could be tough for him. Ive said for a while that I though Saunders was the best in England and that was a while back when Macklin, Barker and MUrray were all seen as a class ahead of him.
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Silkeyjoe
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Originally Posted by
ykdadamaja
I smell Frank Warren's dirty little mits all over this. The excuse to downplay the Eubank loss was there prior- if he loses, he will have lost to a world class fighter.
Does anyone REALLY think that Saunders has a chance to beat any top MW out there- Golovkin, Murray, Koborov, Quillen or Cotto??
Eubank still has up to go, but he lost a fight when he did not need to. Eubank Sr. should stay out of his corner.
Saunders could beat Korobov who isnt that good. Murray would be a very close fight with Murray slight fav. Golovkin would destroy him. He could beat Quillin if he can handle his power. Cotto is an interesting fight but id say Cotto is too good for him but given his age and not being a natural MW it could be tough for him. Ive said for a while that I though Saunders was the best in England and that was a while back when Macklin, Barker and MUrray were all seen as a class ahead of him.
I see Macklin and Barker giving him a good scrap he may win on points. I see him being outpointed by Koborov, who is a far better boxer than Eubank.
I see him knocked out by everyone else you mentioned. Cold stopped!
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Originally Posted by
ykdadamaja
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Originally Posted by
Silkeyjoe
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Originally Posted by
ykdadamaja
I smell Frank Warren's dirty little mits all over this. The excuse to downplay the Eubank loss was there prior- if he loses, he will have lost to a world class fighter.
Does anyone REALLY think that Saunders has a chance to beat any top MW out there- Golovkin, Murray, Koborov, Quillen or Cotto??
Eubank still has up to go, but he lost a fight when he did not need to. Eubank Sr. should stay out of his corner.
Saunders could beat Korobov who isnt that good. Murray would be a very close fight with Murray slight fav. Golovkin would destroy him. He could beat Quillin if he can handle his power. Cotto is an interesting fight but id say Cotto is too good for him but given his age and not being a natural MW it could be tough for him. Ive said for a while that I though Saunders was the best in England and that was a while back when Macklin, Barker and MUrray were all seen as a class ahead of him.
I see Macklin and Barker giving him a good scrap he may win on points. I see him being outpointed by Koborov, who is a far better boxer than Eubank.
I see him knocked out by everyone else you mentioned. Cold stopped!
Quillin was outboxed by Ndam and Rosado and neither are as good a boxer as Saunders. Korobov was poor in his last fight against a far lesser opponent then Saunders. Saunders would likely be fav against Lee and Lee isnt that big a dog v Korobov. He needs more fights at European level before making the step up to world level in my opinion but I do think he is capable of getting a world title
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Greenbeanz
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Originally Posted by
Beanflicker
It's so weird being on a British boxing forum because these names get thrown around like they're relevant haha.
Being on a British forum they are relevant you massive Canadian tool.
Hey, if your country gets this excited about two guys who aren't even top 20 in their divisions, good for you guys. ;D
Relevant? Yeah, I guess if have nothing else to hang onto. I'm not really convinced that GGG, Cotto, Quillin, or hell, even Jermain Taylor are shaking in their boots because of these two bums.
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Right I just watched that fight again with no sound and I honestly think the wrong guy won the fight. You obviously can't say it's a terrible decision because it was a close fight and a SD. Can some one please tell me what was Saunders best round ? I gave him 4 of the 1st 5 rounds but the 1st 5 rounds were very close Saunders might just of edged 4 of them but didn't see him dominate 1 single round last night, the rounds jr won were clear wins IMO of course. Also the 12th was a joke why did the ref jump in and give jr a telling off just as Saunders was in serious trouble ? Anyway seen the fight two times now and both times think eubank won but he was the challenger and there is that BS saying you got to rip the title from the champion but if there's a rematch I expect jr to be a big favourite
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I watched it again and thought Billy Joe won but could make a case for the draw. Jr was simply much bigger/stronger but utterly clueless about what to do. If he gets a proper trainer I'd back Jr to improve past Billy Joe and win a rematch.
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Eubank won.
Its such a shame he has to live with a loss now but if they do rematch Chris will start where he left off. More relaxed and letting his hands go in combinations.
Saunders maybe won two rounds after the 4th. He lost the 5th and 6th and 12th for sure. It should have been a draw if anything.
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I was trading it last night and still have my scorecard on me. I gave Saunders the 1st 5 and the 10th and 11th. Rounds 4,5,6,11 were close. I had it 115-113 to Saunders. I feel the people awarding Eubanks the fight are scoring rounds for Eubanks for simply throwing punches.
Id also like to point out when I score fights Im generous to the fighter we have laid so I was generous to Eubank here.
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Beanflicker
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Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
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Originally Posted by
Beanflicker
It's so weird being on a British boxing forum because these names get thrown around like they're relevant haha.
Being on a British forum they are relevant you massive Canadian tool.
Hey, if your country gets this excited about two guys who aren't even top 20 in their divisions, good for you guys. ;D
Relevant? Yeah, I guess if have nothing else to hang onto. I'm not really convinced that GGG, Cotto, Quillin, or hell, even Jermain Taylor are shaking in their boots because of these two bums.
This is just stupid. What country's fans dont get excited when two of their prospects fight?
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Senior did look a tool in the ring. I am beginning to think he wants the limelight. Junior should tell him to sit in the crowd.
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Beanflicker
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Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
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Originally Posted by
Beanflicker
It's so weird being on a British boxing forum because these names get thrown around like they're relevant haha.
Being on a British forum they are relevant you massive Canadian tool.
Hey, if your country gets this excited about two guys who aren't even top 20 in their divisions, good for you guys. ;D
Relevant? Yeah, I guess if have nothing else to hang onto. I'm not really convinced that GGG, Cotto, Quillin, or hell, even Jermain Taylor are shaking in their boots because of these two bums.
We have a very deep love and historic link with prizefighting in this country and the fact that you do not understand this shows that obviously in your own country, you do not. What kind of shallow and vacuous fan of a sport is only interested in the top echelon of fighters at world level? The Lonsdale, Common wealth and European belts are as interesting and valid reasons to match opponents as any of the other "world" trinkets and a case could be made to say that the British Lonsdale Belt outstrips in importance even these. Yesterday in successfully defending (and thereby winning the right to own) the Lonsdale belt for the third time Saunders made History in becoming the first traveller (gypsy) fighter to do so. Bearing in mind the huge part travelling booth and other bare knuckle fighters played in establishing the sport then that is a pretty significant event. Add to the mix the brash, cocky but untested son of an even more arrogant and eccentric former world class fighter and it is not difficult to see the appeal.
If you are so enamoured by America that you really think Quillen and Taylor are leagues above these two then you are simply deluded and grasping for reasons to once again slag off and dismiss this country. Calling them bums just confirms your ignorance.
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Master
Senior did look a tool in the ring. I am beginning to think he wants the limelight. Junior should tell him to sit in the crowd.
You are right it's not helping his son. He is not terrible but he hardly needs even more pressure at this early stage of his career, and with his stupid statements and peacock strutting, his old man has piled it on him.
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Greenbeanz
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Originally Posted by
Master
Senior did look a tool in the ring. I am beginning to think he wants the limelight. Junior should tell him to sit in the crowd.
You are right it's not helping his son. He is not terrible but he hardly needs even more pressure at this early stage of his career, and with his stupid statements and peacock strutting, his old man has piled it on him.
Agreed. I have a soft spot for dad but he isn't helping. It was all a bit silly and it seems to have rubbed off.
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I think I had it 7-5 for BJS but remember saying the draw is quite possible. But I was quite drunk.
I don't think it's a stretch to score it for Eubank.
If Eubank gets his head down from here, works hard, stops the posturing and silly pot shots I'd back him to win in a rematch.
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Despite the BBC's complete lack of attention to boxing which borders on disgraceful Ben Dirs is someone that usually hits the right tone - whilst not claiming to be well versed in the technical nuances. This article is a pretty fair summary of where Eubank finds himself.
BBC Sport - Billy Joe Saunders brings Chris Eubank Jr back to earth
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ryanman
Despite the BBC's complete lack of attention to boxing which borders on disgraceful Ben Dirs is someone that usually hits the right tone - whilst not claiming to be well versed in the technical nuances. This article is a pretty fair summary of where Eubank finds himself.
BBC Sport - Billy Joe Saunders brings Chris Eubank Jr back to earth
Lol I stopped reading after it said Saunders gave eubank jr a boxing lesson if anything Saunders lived upto his name average joe. He's very lucky eubank jr is still a little green
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I think billy joe done very well.
I would love to see the compubox numbers.
8-4 or 7-5 to billy joe.
We know that eubank jr is green but his corner were appalling and should have told him to get his finger out early.
All this jumping ken and ryu uppercuts and bending down so low he kissed the floor was pathetic.
Eubank jr was out smarted and outboxed and the rematch will be the same or worse if billy joe lays of the beers!
The real losers are eubank sr team who watched the wrong fight and gave jr these taxi drivers as opposition.
Regardless of whether you like billy joe or not the better boxer beats the better fighter everyday and his elusive movements frustated jr to a new degree and they both gassed in the last round but stood on their feet until the end..
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g3org3
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Originally Posted by
ryanman
Despite the BBC's complete lack of attention to boxing which borders on disgraceful Ben Dirs is someone that usually hits the right tone - whilst not claiming to be well versed in the technical nuances. This article is a pretty fair summary of where Eubank finds himself.
BBC Sport - Billy Joe Saunders brings Chris Eubank Jr back to earth
Lol I stopped reading after it said Saunders gave eubank jr a boxing lesson if anything Saunders lived upto his name average joe. He's very lucky eubank jr is still a little green
I think it said a lesson in the first few rounds.
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Originally Posted by
ryanman
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Originally Posted by
g3org3
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Originally Posted by
ryanman
Despite the BBC's complete lack of attention to boxing which borders on disgraceful Ben Dirs is someone that usually hits the right tone - whilst not claiming to be well versed in the technical nuances. This article is a pretty fair summary of where Eubank finds himself.
BBC Sport - Billy Joe Saunders brings Chris Eubank Jr back to earth
Lol I stopped reading after it said Saunders gave eubank jr a boxing lesson if anything Saunders lived upto his name average joe. He's very lucky eubank jr is still a little green
I think it said a lesson in the first few rounds.
Said 1st half of the fight. Lol I must be watching a completly different fight there was not 1 single round in that fight Saunders dominated or gave out a boxing lesson. Honestly can't believe the hype this guys getting very average fighter highly doubt he beats any world class fighter out there unless there way over the hill.
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Infact can any1 on this forum point out a big round Saunders won ? Because I want to go rematch that round. Just 1 round ?
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Originally Posted by
Master
Senior did look a tool in the ring. I am beginning to think he wants the limelight. Junior should tell him to sit in the crowd.
No it was all a brilliant masterplan, Eubank snr was taking the pressure of Jr by hogging the limelight, it was nothing to do with him trying to relive past glories through his son.
I feel sorry for Jr because it was obvious he was being handled badly.
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g3org3
Infact can any1 on this forum point out a big round Saunders won ? Because I want to go rematch that round. Just 1 round ?
Point out a big round jr had as well then? To make it fair like
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Originally Posted by
g3org3
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Originally Posted by
ryanman
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Originally Posted by
g3org3
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Originally Posted by
ryanman
Despite the BBC's complete lack of attention to boxing which borders on disgraceful Ben Dirs is someone that usually hits the right tone - whilst not claiming to be well versed in the technical nuances. This article is a pretty fair summary of where Eubank finds himself.
BBC Sport - Billy Joe Saunders brings Chris Eubank Jr back to earth
Lol I stopped reading after it said Saunders gave eubank jr a boxing lesson if anything Saunders lived upto his name average joe. He's very lucky eubank jr is still a little green
I think it said a lesson in the first few rounds.
Said 1st half of the fight. Lol I must be watching a completly different fight there was not 1 single round in that fight Saunders dominated or gave out a boxing lesson. Honestly can't believe the hype this guys getting very average fighter highly doubt he beats any world class fighter out there unless there way over the hill.
I think Eubank could have won and I'd back him in a rematch, but he didn't start fighting til round 6.
In that regard it was a lesson. Lesson being to win rounds you have to throw punches.
By the way the article is positive about Eubank mostly. Basically saying he is green, didn't start fighting til round 6, had his dad clowning around yet still nearly got the win against a more experienced guy.
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I've just watched it and I have to say Eubank should have fought from round 1 , instead of being macho , he was making a point that BJS wasn't hurting him .
I don't rate BJS at all , but I did smile when the scorecards where announced because both Eubank SR and JR are both tiresome cunts.
Put both in with GGG on the same night for me .
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Fenster
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Originally Posted by
g3org3
Infact can any1 on this forum point out a big round Saunders won ? Because I want to go rematch that round. Just 1 round ?
Point out a big round jr had as well then? To make it fair like
12 th could make a case for a 10-8 round Saunders was out of it at 1 point before the ref stopped the action. So what round did Saunders dominate ?
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Eubank didn't win .
The End.
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Dark Lord Al
Eubank didn't win .
The End.
One judge thought he did.
I was thinking about split decisions last night. If one judge thinks you have won its unfair that you get a loss.
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ross
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Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
Eubank didn't win .
The End.
One judge thought he did.
I was thinking about split decisions last night. If one judge thinks you have won its unfair that you get a loss.
Calzaghe-Hopkins was a SD. Who won?
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Fenster
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Originally Posted by
ross
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Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
Eubank didn't win .
The End.
One judge thought he did.
I was thinking about split decisions last night. If one judge thinks you have won its unfair that you get a loss.
Calzaghe-Hopkins was a SD. Who won?
Eubank didn't need to crawl around on the floor looking for respite. Hopkins didn't finish the fight knocking Calzaghe all over the shop. Hopkins was fighting in front of his countrymen in his country.
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It was a close fight but the result is a Eubank loss.
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Originally Posted by
g3org3
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
g3org3
Infact can any1 on this forum point out a big round Saunders won ? Because I want to go rematch that round. Just 1 round ?
Point out a big round jr had as well then? To make it fair like
12 th could make a case for a 10-8 round Saunders was out of it at 1 point before the ref stopped the action. So what round did Saunders dominate ?
10-8 round? Come on. The 12th round of Hopkins-Kovalev should have been a 10-6 then. I've watched the fight twice and didn't notice Billy Joe ever turned into a defensless drunk.
I don't think there was many "dominate" rounds. If "dominate" means one was wiping the floor with the other.
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
g3org3
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
g3org3
Infact can any1 on this forum point out a big round Saunders won ? Because I want to go rematch that round. Just 1 round ?
Point out a big round jr had as well then? To make it fair like
12 th could make a case for a 10-8 round Saunders was out of it at 1 point before the ref stopped the action. So what round did Saunders dominate ?
10-8 round? Come on. The 12th round of Hopkins-Kovalev should have been a 10-6 then. I've watched the fight twice and didn't notice Billy Joe ever turned into a defensless drunk.
I don't think there was many "dominate" rounds. If "dominate" means one was wiping the floor with the other.
I scored the 12th 10-9 but u could make a point for 10-8 had bjs hurt twice. All I'm saying is it was a close fight I feel eubank won and I didn't see 1 single round Saunders looked good in, every round he won was a close round he just edge his rounds but eubank took his rounds clearly.
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Originally Posted by
ross
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
ross
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Originally Posted by
Dark Lord Al
Eubank didn't win .
The End.
One judge thought he did.
I was thinking about split decisions last night. If one judge thinks you have won its unfair that you get a loss.
Calzaghe-Hopkins was a SD. Who won?
Eubank didn't need to crawl around on the floor looking for respite. Hopkins didn't finish the fight knocking Calzaghe all over the shop. Hopkins was fighting in front of his countrymen in his country.
That didn't matter to the judge that scored it for Hopkins. So by your rationale it's unfair that Hopkins lost to Calzaghe. You set the criteria not me. Fact.
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g3org3
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
g3org3
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
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Originally Posted by
g3org3
Infact can any1 on this forum point out a big round Saunders won ? Because I want to go rematch that round. Just 1 round ?
Point out a big round jr had as well then? To make it fair like
12 th could make a case for a 10-8 round Saunders was out of it at 1 point before the ref stopped the action. So what round did Saunders dominate ?
10-8 round? Come on. The 12th round of Hopkins-Kovalev should have been a 10-6 then. I've watched the fight twice and didn't notice Billy Joe ever turned into a defensless drunk.
I don't think there was many "dominate" rounds. If "dominate" means one was wiping the floor with the other.
I scored the 12th 10-9 but u could make a point for 10-8 had bjs hurt twice. All I'm saying is it was a close fight I feel eubank won and I didn't see 1 single round Saunders looked good in, every round he won was a close round he just edge his rounds but eubank took his rounds clearly.
I agree it was a close fight. On second viewing I could give Eubank a draw. I didn't think either fighter was ever in serious trouble though.
