Lets not go to off topic..
Why did he stay?
What is wrong in starting up something like "Pacman Promotions" and making 3-4 times what you earnt with top rank?!
Why why why.
Oscar left.
Floyd left.
Cotto left.
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Lets not go to off topic..
Why did he stay?
What is wrong in starting up something like "Pacman Promotions" and making 3-4 times what you earnt with top rank?!
Why why why.
Oscar left.
Floyd left.
Cotto left.
My guess, (and it's only guess because I have absolutely no proof to back this up) is that Bob knows about the PED use and will out Manny if he ever leaves.
I just think other people are making too much money off him whilst he is with top rank and it suits them for him to stay there..Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
Manny isnt earning crumbs at top rank and he will retire with millions in the bank but surely for the last stage of your career why not take a risk and get as much money as you can like oscar and floyd have...
He is now with top rank until the end if 2016..do even the pac fans agree with this..?
If he leaves Top Rank and Arum exposes his steroid use then his reputation and public image is further tarnished and he can't make nearly as much money.Quote:
Originally Posted by impI just think other people are making too much money off him whilst he is with top rank and it suits them for him to stay there..Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
Manny isnt earning crumbs at top rank and he will retire with millions in the bank but surely for the last stage of your career why not take a risk and get as much money as you can like oscar and floyd have...
He is now with top rank until the end if 2016..do even the pac fans agree with this..?
He becomes a disgraced fighter. He becomes Lance Armstrong.
Wouldnt that incriminate bob arum as well?Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoIf he leaves Top Rank and Arum exposes his steroid use then his reputation and public image is further tarnished and he can't make nearly as much money.Quote:
Originally Posted by impI just think other people are making too much money off him whilst he is with top rank and it suits them for him to stay there..Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
Manny isnt earning crumbs at top rank and he will retire with millions in the bank but surely for the last stage of your career why not take a risk and get as much money as you can like oscar and floyd have...
He is now with top rank until the end if 2016..do even the pac fans agree with this..?
He becomes a disgraced fighter. He becomes Lance Armstrong.
Could be for drug reasons but I just think its the fact that bob arum has so many yes man to plant seeds in mannys head that he will always think that top rank is the best choice.
Bob wouldn't have to say it himself. He could have any number of "sources" reveal it.Quote:
Originally Posted by impWouldnt that incriminate bob arum as well?Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoIf he leaves Top Rank and Arum exposes his steroid use then his reputation and public image is further tarnished and he can't make nearly as much money.Quote:
Originally Posted by impI just think other people are making too much money off him whilst he is with top rank and it suits them for him to stay there..Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
Manny isnt earning crumbs at top rank and he will retire with millions in the bank but surely for the last stage of your career why not take a risk and get as much money as you can like oscar and floyd have...
He is now with top rank until the end if 2016..do even the pac fans agree with this..?
He becomes a disgraced fighter. He becomes Lance Armstrong.
Could be for drug reasons but I just think its the fact that bob arum has so many yes man to plant seeds in mannys head that he will always think that top rank is the best choice.
Fair play.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoBob wouldn't have to say it himself. He could have any number of "sources" reveal it.Quote:
Originally Posted by impWouldnt that incriminate bob arum as well?Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoIf he leaves Top Rank and Arum exposes his steroid use then his reputation and public image is further tarnished and he can't make nearly as much money.Quote:
Originally Posted by impI just think other people are making too much money off him whilst he is with top rank and it suits them for him to stay there..Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
Manny isnt earning crumbs at top rank and he will retire with millions in the bank but surely for the last stage of your career why not take a risk and get as much money as you can like oscar and floyd have...
He is now with top rank until the end if 2016..do even the pac fans agree with this..?
He becomes a disgraced fighter. He becomes Lance Armstrong.
Could be for drug reasons but I just think its the fact that bob arum has so many yes man to plant seeds in mannys head that he will always think that top rank is the best choice.
Whatever the reason its a shame because manny has lost out big time on the £££££
Yup.
Isn't it obvious? Pacquiao grew up street poor and Arum helped promote him into the richist and most popular sports figure in philippine history. One of Pacquiao's values is loyalty (faithful), but you can also put some stock in what he feels is his integrity. The other thing is, the man is not greedy. In Arum's case, Pacquiao is an easy sell. I know many people will look at his decision to stay with Arum as stupid, but you have to look at his criteria. His values are obviously more important to him than making more money.
HAhahaha!Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
Manny has cheated on his wife more than once.
I think Arum has some dirt on him, probably in regards to PEDs. There's no other explanation why you'd stay with a guy you hired a third party to investigate because he was stealing money from you.
Come on fat jonny!Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
This is not about comparing floyd with manny about values this is just about manny.
Floyd is a c&nt if he beat his wife and I would be the first to spit in his face.
Theres loads of tough guys with bad upbringings and single parent familes or poor situations.
It cant be his values because he never had any when he cheated on his wife or hating homosexuals or scarring his godly body with tattoos etc
How can anyone be loyal to a corrupt lawyer like bob arum.
Jeez..get out the violin!
He would make more money without bob arum and I want to know why or at least some decent theories why he stayed..
I dont think Pacquiao really cares too much. I mean the country elected the guy a congressman. The Philippines stop when he fights. Even when he is out of boxing he will be rich there and find a way to make money. Be it like George Forman with somethin as simple as a grill or something silly as a music career or get deeper into politics.
Could be that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maravilla2012
He is worshipped there.
Why not leave Bob, make more money AND be a big celebrity and be George Foreman and be a politician.Quote:
Originally Posted by impCould be that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maravilla2012
He is worshipped there.
He hired someone to investigate his finances because he was being ripped off (like other Top Rank fighters have accused Bob of), so he must care.
Well let me personally say manny doesnt come across as a bad person and I dont dislike him,
But please please can we leave all this bollocks about his great morals at the door.
We know as concrete facts he cheated on his wife numerous times.
We know as concrete facts he hired a third party to investigate his corrupt boss.
There are all the accusations of PED abuse including a back handed comment from his own bloody trainer.
He wouldnt exactly accept a facetime from graham norton and he covers his body in ungodly worldly body markings!
It doesnt make sense and so far the arguement for him staying is pretty damn weak..
It's a shame Momma Pacquaio's cross and voodoo ritual couldn't keep the thieving J** away.... ;D
Would it or could it be possible that Manny trusts Arum. Hell, maybe they even like each other. Why do people stick with the same bank, insurance company, food brands, and job?Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
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Originally Posted by beenKOed
Google: Manny VisionQwest
https://www.google.ca/search?q=manny...J42AyATA3oDYCQ
That is terrible.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoQuote:
Originally Posted by beenKOed
Google: Manny VisionQwest
https://www.google.ca/search?q=manny...J42AyATA3oDYCQ
No one can defend that.
Also...
Golden Boy sues Top Rank over Manny Pacquaio accounting - ESPN
He's a proven thief, a proven criminal, he admitted he owes Floyd money. That's his reputation: screwing people out of money, proven criminal activity, and constant dishonesty.
It's the PEDs. His poor background and supposed morality of faithfulness or whatever just might be a factor but I agree with the PEDs blackmail theory. Nothing else makes much sense to me.
Information can be skillfully leaked in a number of ways and Pac wouldn't have much of a political (or musical lol) career in the Philipines with so much dirt being flung at him.
Nothing on this earth would stop pac from having a politcal career in the philipines...no matter how many times he cheats on his wife.Quote:
Originally Posted by goti71
He is worshipped over there!
I'm not sure a smear campaign would do him any good back home where he is currently worshipped. (A cheating politician? We've got enough of those already).Quote:
Originally Posted by impNothing on this earth would stop pac from having a politcal career in the philipines...no matter how many times he cheats on his wife.Quote:
Originally Posted by goti71
He is worshipped over there!
I do agree though that cheating on his wife wouldn't be an issue for all the delinquents who take the day off when he fights.;D (A macho politician? Your seat is waiting, Sir).
Yeah I think if anything came out that would discredit his accomplishments in the ring, it would be very damaging for him politically too.
Manny stays with Bob because he is at the end of his career and he is content to see out his contract with him. He must believe he does not have the people who can make him rich and successful without Arum.
I think it's fair to compare a PED exposed and disgraced Manny to Lance Armstrong. Armstrong was a hero to millions around the world for his incredible achievements in the world of cycling as well as for the multi multi multi millions of dollars ($600 million) his Livestrong campaign had raised. He is now a leper. Considered ultimate scum by most. He lost all credit for his cycling achievements and Livestrong has disowned him. Manny's reputation would drop just as far and just as fast.
I do not think it is the PED allegations otherwise he would also be complicit. Most people suspect it but it is not proven. He is not on it now so it is not an issue.
Don't take this as, I'm defending the guy or his culture for the life style, mistakes and sins.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoHAhahaha!Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
Manny has cheated on his wife more than once.
Ok so My Bad, I guess it not that obvious to some and you obviously don't know philippine culture very well. He didn't abandon his wife and at least publicly reconciled his womanizing ways. It is not uncommon for successful men in the philippines to have a mistress and often the wife knows. So it's don't ask don't tell. I've heard wife's talking about the issue (trying to calm the temper) that they should be happy because she's the wife that he comes home to. That it is a mans nature and you have to let them get out there. (I don't agree, I'm just saying this is the attitude I've been exposed to there.) Many guys get together for a night out (drinking and bar girls) and don't make it home that evening. It is accepted. It dosn't mean there are not problems. It's just part of the culture. I worked in a company that had an office in the Philippines and the US divorce rate, with the married men sent there, was over 80%. If you have money, the girls are very agressive at chasing you.
People aren't perfect and typical fail at trying to be. If those ring girls were putting it in my face and telling me they wouldn't tell my wife, I doubt I could resist and for sure wouldn't want to resist if I thought, I could get away with it. He's just a freaking man, that wears his heart on his sleeve. The question is why did he say with Arum, while others as an example, left and earned more money?
So your faithful only because you couldn't get away with it. That's sad. I feel sad not for you but for your wife. I'm sure she deserves better.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyDon't take this as, I'm defending the guy or his culture for the life style, mistakes and sins.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoHAhahaha!Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
Manny has cheated on his wife more than once.
Ok so My Bad, I guess it not that obvious to some and you obviously don't know philippine culture very well. He didn't abandon his wife and at least publicly reconciled his womanizing ways. It is not uncommon for successful men in the philippines to have a mistress and often the wife knows. So it's don't ask don't tell. I've heard wife's talking about the issue (trying to calm the temper) that they should be happy because she's the wife that he comes home to. That it is a mans nature and you have to let them get out there. (I don't agree, I'm just saying this is the attitude I've been exposed to there.) Many guys get together for a night out (drinking and bar girls) and don't make it home that evening. It is accepted. It dosn't mean there are not problems. It's just part of the culture. I worked in a company that had an office in the Philippines and the US divorce rate, with the married men sent there, was over 80%. If you have money, the girls are very agressive at chasing you.
People aren't perfect and typical fail at trying to be. If those ring girls were putting it in my face and telling me they wouldn't tell my wife, I doubt I could resist and for sure wouldn't want to resist if I thought, I could get away with it. He's just a freaking man, that wears his heart on his sleeve. The question is why did he say with Arum, while others as an example, left and earned more money?
Think this about sums it up. Doesn't seem all that complicated, you stick with what you know maybe and he is already in idol worship outside of the sport. Bouncing around calling out Mayweather on Footlocker commercials and banking millions by beating up kids stuck in cages on ppv. If it ain't broke..Quote:
Originally Posted by Maravilla2012
You jumping to conclusions dude. We aren't talking about me. You have no clue. One way or the other. Any "man" that says he would be faithful in a situation where he is tempted by a bueatiful woman and could get away with it and wouldn't, is 999 times out of a 1000 a lier or has something else wrong him or is possibly still infatuated with his new bride.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonSo your faithful only because you couldn't get away with it. That's sad. I feel sad not for you but for your wife. I'm sure she deserves better.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyDon't take this as, I'm defending the guy or his culture for the life style, mistakes and sins.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless roccoHAhahaha!Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
Manny has cheated on his wife more than once.
Ok so My Bad, I guess it not that obvious to some and you obviously don't know philippine culture very well. He didn't abandon his wife and at least publicly reconciled his womanizing ways. It is not uncommon for successful men in the philippines to have a mistress and often the wife knows. So it's don't ask don't tell. I've heard wife's talking about the issue (trying to calm the temper) that they should be happy because she's the wife that he comes home to. That it is a mans nature and you have to let them get out there. (I don't agree, I'm just saying this is the attitude I've been exposed to there.) Many guys get together for a night out (drinking and bar girls) and don't make it home that evening. It is accepted. It dosn't mean there are not problems. It's just part of the culture. I worked in a company that had an office in the Philippines and the US divorce rate, with the married men sent there, was over 80%. If you have money, the girls are very agressive at chasing you.
People aren't perfect and typical fail at trying to be. If those ring girls were putting it in my face and telling me they wouldn't tell my wife, I doubt I could resist and for sure wouldn't want to resist if I thought, I could get away with it. He's just a freaking man, that wears his heart on his sleeve. The question is why did he say with Arum, while others as an example, left and earned more money?
I keep seeing all these allegations about Paquaio & Ped's. Where is any proof he has ever used Ped's. These days it seems that if there is a fighter challenging your fav fighter & you have doubts your fighter can beat him, you start Ped's rumors about him. Vicious allegations with no credible back up is wrong. Of the two I'd think Floyd would be more suspect of using than Manny though I sincerely hope neither of them are
Baseless accusations can ruin a fighters career eg Antonio Margarito. No one has ever produced proof he ever cheated but his good name was sullied
I think Manny stays with Arum because he is happy with him & the way his career is going
Cheating is bad enough but when a prof boxer beats his babies Mamma in front of his kids he really does have to be a scumbag coward
Well, of course there's no proof: someone would either have had to physically been there to see Manny using PEDs, or he would have to test positive.Quote:
Originally Posted by C.J.Rock
The problem with that is the drug testing up until recently has been a complete joke and has generally failed to catch the majority of cheaters. I've said it before, the majority of drug users don't get caught with tests, they get caught after the fact when either someone rats them out (Lance Armstrong, numerous MLB players), or the FBI raids a steroid ring and finds their name on receipts (Holyfield, Mosley, and many many more).
So when you couple the fact that drug testing has been woefully unreliable in catching cheats, and you see a guy jump multiple weight classes and seemingly get stronger, then turn down (an estimated) 100 million dollar fight because you don't want to take a more advanced drug test, and allegedly your camp inquires a) what the penalty of a positive test would be and b) if a positive test could be kept a secret for the integrity of boxing.... I think any rational mind is going to get suspicious. None of that is proof-positive that Manny was taking PED's, but you can't blame people for being suspicious.
I don't disagree, but that's exactly what Sugar Ray Robinson did numerous times, as well as many other great boxers, so you're calling a lot of revered guys a "scumbag coward" when you say that.Quote:
Originally Posted by C.J.Rock