Which fighter sparkled this weekend? I say Andy Lee
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Which fighter sparkled this weekend? I say Andy Lee
I'd have to say Mares. I always like the kid, he always shows heart. Can't wait to see him back in against Gonzales.
I'm still kissed off about Bradley and Herrera score cards. Both those guys got screwed. I guess Bradley can't complain as he has received a lot of gifts along the way. On a side note, Bradley should not move up to 154, I don't think it would be good for his health.
Khan.
Stayed focused and boxed devons ears off!
Khan is undefeated with virgil and I always knew they were made for each other.
Roach had khan and pac who are two of the fastest boxers in the divison but couldnt evolve or teach them shit about patience or defense.
Yeah, Manny has had a shit career, thank God for Floyd or boxing should just pack it upQuote:
Originally Posted by imp
I'd have to agree with Mares.
-Bradley was supposed to outbox his opponent and even though the scorecards were bizarre, Bradley didn't look all that special.
- With Lee having a knack for landing those Hail Mary punches, it's impressive but you have to wonder how many times that will save his a$$ and pull him out of the fire.
- Thurman was a snoozer for all his talk.
-I was excited about the Khan/ Alexander fight to see if Khan had sharpened his skills further, but I think he kind of regressed actually and lost some of the footwork he used against Collazo. He went back to jousting and you could see how Alexander would sidestep him, hook him and spin him. Midway through the fight though you could see how Alexander just gave up and accepted his role as a sparring partner and I actually nodded off for a little bit after that as Khan coasted to victory.
Mares and Lee really seemed like the only two fighters of the night that were willing to go balls to the wall. It just looked more applied in Mares' case.
Egidijus Kavaliauskas
Manny had a great career with massive flaws but he bounced back from them.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusYeah, Manny has had a shit career, thank God for Floyd or boxing should just pack it upQuote:
Originally Posted by imp
I am correct that if manny changed trainers he would have learnt alot more defence etc but the world thinks freddie is a god so it will or would never happen.
I can't say that Freddy was wrong for Khan or Pacquiao. In fact, these two fighters demonstrate the differences in what a good trainer can do for you if you listen or if you don't. If you work hard and you listen to your trainer and you discuss the decisions that can affect your training with them, you guys can be on the same page and eliminate the small things that can take your focus off the fight. You can build a strong foundation and begin training before or even when he isn't there.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
Or...
You can complain that you're not getting enough time and attention and that a trainer is not helping you, and then completely ignore his advice in the middle of a fight and decide to trade with somebody who's already turned your legs into jelly instead of boxing, clinching or using your range.
Some trainers will hold your hand, and do the baby steps thing with you. Others ask you to realize you chose to train with them for a reason and accept the advice they give you, so they can mold you. You cant be half in it and half out of it. If you want to take only part of my advice and be half my fighter and half your own fighter, well one of our halves is gonna lose and take the other half with it. I get paid either way, but if success and legacy is what you're after, you have to commit to the plan and believe in your trainer.
Cotto, also seemed to get better under Freddy. Provodnikov is prone to resorting to swinging away sometimes but at least he's not fighting on ESPN anymore. Chavez only does what he wants. You take away from it what you can.. Some trainers may not fit some fighters, but you have to subscribe to the plan before you say it doesn't work.
Andy Lee... I wonder if Chavez would rematch him after seeing that?
I cant see Chavez possibly making 160 againQuote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Was cotto under freddie roach against trout and martinez?Quote:
Originally Posted by J_UndisputedI can't say that Freddy was wrong for Khan or Pacquiao. In fact, these two fighters demonstrate the differences in what a good trainer can do for you if you listen or if you don't. If you work hard and you listen to your trainer and you discuss the decisions that can affect your training with them, you guys can be on the same page and eliminate the small things that can take your focus off the fight. You can build a strong foundation and begin training before or even when he isn't there.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
Or...
You can complain that you're not getting enough time and attention and that a trainer is not helping you, and then completely ignore his advice in the middle of a fight and decide to trade with somebody who's already turned your legs into jelly instead of boxing, clinching or using your range.
Some trainers will hold your hand, and do the baby steps thing with you. Others ask you to realize you chose to train with them for a reason and accept the advice they give you, so they can mold you. You cant be half in it and half out of it. If you want to take only part of my advice and be half my fighter and half your own fighter, well one of our halves is gonna lose and take the other half with it. I get paid either way, but if success and legacy is what you're after, you have to commit to the plan and believe in your trainer.
Cotto, also seemed to get better under Freddy. Provodnikov is prone to resorting to swinging away sometimes but at least he's not fighting on ESPN anymore. Chavez only does what he wants. You take away from it what you can.. Some trainers may not fit some fighters, but you have to subscribe to the plan before you say it doesn't work.
Eubank jr needs another bloody trainer.
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Originally Posted by Silkeyjoe
wtf!
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Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeI cant see Chavez possibly making 160 againQuote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
I'm afraid I'm gonna have to stick up for Chavez on this one.
You are seriously underestimating Chavez's ability to make weight, only to show up fight night 30 pounds heavier.
Legally or otherwise.
I think Trout was the last guy (Cuban trainer) - Rodriguez and Martinez, were under Freddy's watch. Granted Matchmaking can factor into those 2 fights, but Cotto seems to fight smarter at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by impWas cotto under freddie roach against trout and martinez?Quote:
Originally Posted by J_UndisputedI can't say that Freddy was wrong for Khan or Pacquiao. In fact, these two fighters demonstrate the differences in what a good trainer can do for you if you listen or if you don't. If you work hard and you listen to your trainer and you discuss the decisions that can affect your training with them, you guys can be on the same page and eliminate the small things that can take your focus off the fight. You can build a strong foundation and begin training before or even when he isn't there.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
Or...
You can complain that you're not getting enough time and attention and that a trainer is not helping you, and then completely ignore his advice in the middle of a fight and decide to trade with somebody who's already turned your legs into jelly instead of boxing, clinching or using your range.
Some trainers will hold your hand, and do the baby steps thing with you. Others ask you to realize you chose to train with them for a reason and accept the advice they give you, so they can mold you. You cant be half in it and half out of it. If you want to take only part of my advice and be half my fighter and half your own fighter, well one of our halves is gonna lose and take the other half with it. I get paid either way, but if success and legacy is what you're after, you have to commit to the plan and believe in your trainer.
Cotto, also seemed to get better under Freddy. Provodnikov is prone to resorting to swinging away sometimes but at least he's not fighting on ESPN anymore. Chavez only does what he wants. You take away from it what you can.. Some trainers may not fit some fighters, but you have to subscribe to the plan before you say it doesn't work.
Eubank jr needs another bloody trainer.
Khan and Lee did very well.
I think Bradley's eye blowing up the way it did might have influenced the judges.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
Herrera just can't get beyond the judges, I'm starting to think its a conspiracy.
You are right about Bradley not moving up.
Johnriel Casimero. He destroyed his foe on the road and in style.
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Originally Posted by imp
Yes and if he fought danny Garcia under Hunter he would get KOED again , he hasn't fought many dangermen yet.
Khan wasn't ready at his time under Roach. That's when Khan was still doing that ridiculous showboating the pissed Roach off. Roach talked about it a number of times after his fights. Khan wasn't ready to listen. I saw he almost started a foot shuffle Saturday night but caught himself, I was glad to see that as that showboating stuff Khan used to do turned me off. After his fight Sat. When he started saying he was the best boxer with the best jab in boxing, I found that a bit hoaky but I understand the adrenaline had to be pumping at that point.Quote:
Originally Posted by J_UndisputedI can't say that Freddy was wrong for Khan or Pacquiao. In fact, these two fighters demonstrate the differences in what a good trainer can do for you if you listen or if you don't. If you work hard and you listen to your trainer and you discuss the decisions that can affect your training with them, you guys can be on the same page and eliminate the small things that can take your focus off the fight. You can build a strong foundation and begin training before or even when he isn't there.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
Or...
You can complain that you're not getting enough time and attention and that a trainer is not helping you, and then completely ignore his advice in the middle of a fight and decide to trade with somebody who's already turned your legs into jelly instead of boxing, clinching or using your range.
Some trainers will hold your hand, and do the baby steps thing with you. Others ask you to realize you chose to train with them for a reason and accept the advice they give you, so they can mold you. You cant be half in it and half out of it. If you want to take only part of my advice and be half my fighter and half your own fighter, well one of our halves is gonna lose and take the other half with it. I get paid either way, but if success and legacy is what you're after, you have to commit to the plan and believe in your trainer.
Cotto, also seemed to get better under Freddy. Provodnikov is prone to resorting to swinging away sometimes but at least he's not fighting on ESPN anymore. Chavez only does what he wants. You take away from it what you can.. Some trainers may not fit some fighters, but you have to subscribe to the plan before you say it doesn't work.
Khan but an honourable mention to Herrera. I wanted Benavidez to win but Mauricio was jobbed again.
Not trying to say anything bad about Chavez here. But I think Bradley has got the wrong mind set. He should have been able to Chavez more easily. I agree 154 is not the right weight for Bradley.Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOedI think Bradley's eye blowing up the way it did might have influenced the judges.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
Herrera just can't get beyond the judges, I'm starting to think its a conspiracy.
You are right about Bradley not moving up.