Hostage situation in the Lindt Cafe in Martins place Sydney.
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Hostage situation in the Lindt Cafe in Martins place Sydney.
People with hands against the glass inside and armed police have cordoned off and evacuated the area.
Does it involve muslims
It does, middle eastern guy, speculation says it got to do with ISIS.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
Live link, still going on! 5 people have escaped from the cafe from a backdoor, 3 boys and 3 girls!
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Islam once again declares war on the civilised world. When do we take it seriously.
No muslims condemn it so we can only deduce that they agree with it.
Reminds me of Face Off movie, now all serious of course
Very bad, but isolated incidents of blow back are a natural response to Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan and Syria. The torturing, renditioning, murdering war criminals are responsible for the invasions and thus all incidents of blow back like this IMO. When a million are dead in Iraq alone, imagine how many scarred relatives are still out there, and how many will have a life long hatred of the Anglo-American war criminals. I'm only surprised there isn't more of this. It is very bad and wrong, but it is a logical outcome of illegal savagery.
I hope it is dealt with in a manner, were there is no mass murder involved by the hostage taker
one more Isa nut case, too much tolerance by the West shown to theses people.
By the same token, why aren't Bush and Blair in The Hague? How can the Muslim world take us seriously? An invasion of nations or isolated acts of revenge? The invasion is illegal and the revenge a consequence of the the invasion. The thug that started the riot is ultimately responsible. This is blowback. It isn't right or proper, but is the natural consequence of illegal invasion, murder, rendition and torture. Using your same logic the lack of outrage by the general public in the West means that we agree with our elite crooks. It doesn't quite work like that though does it Al.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Miles theses people are not living in the Middle East, they are living in our community's and Country'sQuote:
Originally Posted by GandalfBy the same token, why aren't Bush and Blair in The Hague? How can the Muslim world take us seriously? An invasion of nations or isolated acts of revenge? The invasion is illegal and the revenge a consequence of the the invasion. The thug that started the riot is ultimately responsible. This is blowback. It isn't right or proper, but is the natural consequence of illegal invasion, murder, rendition and torture. Using your same logic the lack of outrage by the general public in the West means that we agree with our elite crooks. It doesn't quite work like that though does it Al.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
they should abide by OUR WAY OF LIFE, there is no room for small minded people wanting to live
in the barbaric dark ages which they DO.
If they are so unhappy return to there roots, because frankly we don't want them and as they say
as in Rome do as the Romans do.!!!!
The first thing theses people should do, is show some gratitude to the Country's that have taken them
in , instead of wanting to turn us into a Muslim state.
We have shown theses people far to much respect and tolerance, and this is how we are paid back
by acts of violence, people in a coffee shop frightened to death fearing for there lives.
This story will not end as more morons, turn to extremists send a message we will not tolerate such
behavior.:mad:
Just before i left home for work i heard on the radio they were worried the guy has explosives.
He's been seen with some kind of back packs so if it goes pear shaped for him he's likely to just blow himself and everyone else to pieces.
He's been in their a long time already so must be getting twitchy by now.
He said there is two bombs inside the cafe and two other somewhere outside. The flags he has have nothing to do with ISIS what they could understand. Can't believe they still stuck in there, they should be starving by now! This might be to soon but i'm on a group on Facebook and asked where is good to go out on a monday night and someone comment cafe lindt will be the bomb tonite, i found it quite hilarious but it's kinda badQuote:
Originally Posted by smashup
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Originally Posted by XwetieHe said there is two bombs inside the cafe and two other somewhere outside. The flags he has have nothing to do with ISIS what they could understand. Can't believe they still stuck in there, they should be starving by now! This might be to soon but i'm on a group on Facebook and asked where is good to go out on a monday night and someone comment cafe lindt will be the bomb tonite, i found it quite hilarious but it's kinda badQuote:
Originally Posted by smashup
Classic.... holed up as hostages in a Cafe
;D;D;D
For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Its true. If we just take the simple law of physics, (morals and opinions aside), if A invades B and most people in B believe it was wrong, then there will be a reaction from B back to A. This could be what this is, or it could not be. I dont know the details yet. But YES blowback is a real phenomenon that any human being would exhibit if he/she perceives any cruelty or wrongdoing against them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
And here people want us to feel bad because of the torture carried out post-9/11.
I think you have to use fire with fire. There's no talking to these savages, brute force must be met with brute force.
All civilized countries should get together and just agree that whenever someone attacks a civilized country in the name of Islam, we drone attack an Islamic country at random. ;D
Isis have made calls all over the internet asking single men who are on side to take up the cause in the name of Islam and hit a western target in their own countries ;abduct and execute random westerners.
This is about a religion taking over the world of politics then you.
They never forget they never forgive they teach hatred and vengeance to their young.
If we were the same and taught the same we would all be against all Germans and Japs to this day,the world would cease to roll.
Yes I see you point mate, but action against extremism must be full on no tolerance what so everQuote:
Originally Posted by Andre
the guy in the coffee shop, nice big bullet in the head is called for.
I do hope they shoot him, as they are not the people you want in any Country, you can not reason
with extremists.
The trouble I feel we have handled, theses people with kid gloves in future a iron fist is called for
this Cunt in that shop, needs dealing with I just hope everybody gets out alive bar him.
Miles, if these cocksuckers went after hard targets I might agree with you. But no they always look for easy targets.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfBy the same token, why aren't Bush and Blair in The Hague? How can the Muslim world take us seriously? An invasion of nations or isolated acts of revenge? The invasion is illegal and the revenge a consequence of the the invasion. The thug that started the riot is ultimately responsible. This is blowback. It isn't right or proper, but is the natural consequence of illegal invasion, murder, rendition and torture. Using your same logic the lack of outrage by the general public in the West means that we agree with our elite crooks. It doesn't quite work like that though does it Al.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
I just saw a thread about showing boxing 2 hour straight to these blokes and whoever thought of that stupid idea should be thrown in there with the rest of the hostages.;D
Of course I'm just kidding, I don't wish ill luck to any nice fella.;)
I just see hyprocracy. You want peace in the middle east between Israel and Palestine and the only way to do that is to talk and compromise.
You want to exterminate ISIS and kill them all with blanket bombing.
Here is an idea lets talk to these fuckers and say what the hell do you want and lets take it from there.
The terrorist on this side are loners, radicalsied idiots, some with mental illness who ISIS could not give a toss about. Morons.
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Originally Posted by GandalfBy the same token, why aren't Bush and Blair in The Hague? How can the Muslim world take us seriously? An invasion of nations or isolated acts of revenge? The invasion is illegal and the revenge a consequence of the the invasion. The thug that started the riot is ultimately responsible. This is blowback. It isn't right or proper, but is the natural consequence of illegal invasion, murder, rendition and torture. Using your same logic the lack of outrage by the general public in the West means that we agree with our elite crooks. It doesn't quite work like that though does it Al.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Miles you are confusing ISIS with Muslims that have had genuine grievances.
Remember that ISIS predominately do not exist to fight Western imperialism but to install a caliphate across Syria and Iraq. Also remember that they have killed FAR more Muslims than they have Westerners. They kill Muslims. That is their prey. They only killed Westerners when the bombs dropped (rightly IMO) to stop them killing more.
ISIS do not share an ideology even with other Jihadi groups. Even other Jihadis condemn them. That is pretty powerful and instructive. You used to get Muslims saying about Al Qaeda 'they do not represent Islam' but now you get Jihadi groups saying ISIS 'do not represent Jihad!'. Therefore, I think that framing ISIS as an anti-imperialist anti-western group is not accurate. It's an accurate description of Al Qaeda, but not ISIS.
Having said all that is this guy claiming a connection with ISIS? Or is he just an 'independent' as it were?
To repeat myself from the other thread about this -Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Miles you are confusing ISIS with Muslims that have had genuine grievances.
Remember that ISIS predominately do not exist to fight Western imperialism but to install a caliphate across Syria and Iraq. Also remember that they have killed FAR more Muslims than they have Westerners. They kill Muslims. That is their prey. They only killed Westerners when the bombs dropped (rightly IMO) to stop them killing more.
ISIS do not share an ideology even with other Jihadi groups. Even other Jihadis condemn them. That is pretty powerful and instructive. You used to get Muslims saying about Al Qaeda 'they do not represent Islam' but now you get Jihadi groups saying ISIS 'do not represent Jihad!'. Therefore, I think that framing ISIS as an anti-imperialist anti-western group is not accurate. It's an accurate description of Al Qaeda, but not ISIS.
Having said all that is this guy claiming a connection with ISIS? Or is he just an 'independent' as it were?
he is probably an independant contracted consultant. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanTo repeat myself from the other thread about this -Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Miles you are confusing ISIS with Muslims that have had genuine grievances.
Remember that ISIS predominately do not exist to fight Western imperialism but to install a caliphate across Syria and Iraq. Also remember that they have killed FAR more Muslims than they have Westerners. They kill Muslims. That is their prey. They only killed Westerners when the bombs dropped (rightly IMO) to stop them killing more.
ISIS do not share an ideology even with other Jihadi groups. Even other Jihadis condemn them. That is pretty powerful and instructive. You used to get Muslims saying about Al Qaeda 'they do not represent Islam' but now you get Jihadi groups saying ISIS 'do not represent Jihad!'. Therefore, I think that framing ISIS as an anti-imperialist anti-western group is not accurate. It's an accurate description of Al Qaeda, but not ISIS.
Having said all that is this guy claiming a connection with ISIS? Or is he just an 'independent' as it were?
Do you no what annoys me this shit bag, was given asylum to live in Australia and this is how he
pays it back, we are so stupid letting people in to our Country's who attack our way of life, our
religious beliefs etc. We need to get our act together, send them back to the Country of there
birth. This guy was a trouble maker extremist views, to a Country that saved him what a cunt
let this be a lesson, if they step out of line deport them.:mad:
Dia, this guy was a career criminal, sex offender and just a loser i general. He had nothing to live for and like most bums in life he wanted to hurt as many people as possible. Total prick. They should have shot each of his testicles, put pins in his eyes and pulled out his nails with pliers.
No muslims can ever integrate into western society as they have an agenda to change none believers into muslims.
Massive mistake thinking they can live shoulder to shoulder with us.
It was a mother of two, a 38 year old who he killed its sketchy but the young man killed could of been while the take down occurred not sure.
Islamic clerics if innocent, needs to get real loud against the Islamic state/ and ISIS and all extremists.
I hope not but I can see some Aussies wanting vengeance hope they dont get stupid on innocent good hearted Muslim folk.
God dont you wish some Sas dude was in there buying chocolate for his misses or something that cunt would have his neck broke the first time he looked the other away and the shotty off target.
Im surprized the Special operations group before moving in, never tried to sneak someone in there right at the start in a suit carrying a bunch of flowers acting like a dumb person after chocolate.Thought they'd have ideas like that on tap :-\.Sneak poison and sedative into the cunts drink when you are in etc.:-\
How fucked is this.:mad:
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Originally Posted by Andre
You will find Andre that the majority of muslims wont condemn this , so as far as im concerned they are on the same page.
As far as I can see, Isis is a two pronged Western strategy for a) Eventual dismantling of Assad and b) To ensure control of Iraq having being humiliated after being kicked out of the region. Everything else that comes with it is smoke and mirrors and I would assume ordinary members of Isis are not in on the overall plan. They are just angry Muslims and they have every right to be angry. The caliphate concept is an effective cover. I think people who really study the issue know that Isis is not about anything Muslim, but is rather a terror cell being run by the usual suspects in the shadows. Isis is good for the West for a) propaganda purposes and b) regional control.
It is inevitable that blow back will occur from the invasions, the murder, and torture. It is inevitable that blow back will occur as some will have sympathy with Isis who they mistakenly feel are fighting a Muslim cause. On all sides people are being manipulated. The only solution is The Hague for the war criminals and for the arms industry to stop supplying the terrorists and for mafia groups like the CIA to be abolished. Call me naive, but I think the world might end up a slightly nicer place.
I think the guy is likely just an angry isolated Muslim, but don't know for sure. Also when people criticise Muslims who 'come to our country'.....remember who let them in! The same fuckers that started all this, so when you want to point fingers, go and start your revolution at the appropriate doors. None of this division, us against the immigrants nonsense. Get the rotters that lied and cheated to you, the ordinary Muslim should not have to become an 'Alright Mate' cockney, he is his own person, but the war criminals should be held to account.
Cheney says he would do the torture again. Would you now, you slimy rat? How about we do it on you and get some confessions? However, some of us wouldn't go there, so the least you can do is spend the rest of your vile life in prison, you troll faced skid mark.
My serious condolences to all Aussies. Some here describe this as blowback from coalition moves in the middle east. That is a disgusting thought in my mind. intentionally targeting people trying to get a coffee on their way to work can not be justified in anyway shape or form. Isis Crucifies Christians, beheaded peace workers and has an ugly flag to boot. If groups such as this were willing to sit down and discuss peace and we were refusing to do so an argument could be made. Isis and there followers said they will not rest until Israel is gone, their flag flies over the White house and St. Peter's in the Vatican and the world has submitted to Islam. To blame the US or any other country for this kind of mind set that has been in the Middle East for thousands of years is crazy. We have only been around for a few hundred years. When Isis encourages its followers to kill non Muslims where ever they are found goes beyond any rational revenge or defense. They kill Muslims who are not as radical and refuse to accept there agenda. Afghanistan gave safe haven and training camps to those who wish to destroy the west. It is pointless for me to go on as many have made up there minds that the US is responsible for two thousand years of Muslim hatred but if the middle east has its way there will be no Chistians, Jews, Zoastrians or any other non Muslims. They are not interested in deporting these people, they want and have been committing genocide for years. We are not stupid in the US, many in Europe and others will continue to blame us even though there interference in the middle east predates ours by hundreds of years. It is none of these countries fault,it is the radical and hypocritical actions of middle eastern governments ands radical sects within and it will not be stopping anytime soon. In Bosnia we went in to defend Muslims, in Afghanistan we try to protect the populate against radical elements within and in Iraq we spend Billions trying to rebuild the country. We are not perfect, but we have been giving Egypt any many other countries billions a year with the hope of maintaining some type of peace over there. I kind of wish it was all our fault, if the fault lay with one entity, it would probably be much easier to bring about some kind of remedy. In most of these middle eastern countries it is illegal to protest against regimes in power but all these governments encourage the populace to protest the US. Much easier to place the blame on an external entity than internal where change could start.
Once again, very sorry to see this happening in Australia, all the Aussie members I've talked to hear seem like very decent people. God Bless.
Two little kids are now motherless.
Big man hey? A just cause hey? :mad: Nope.
A fucking chocolate outlet for a target!!!
Whimp cunt I hope the heat and gravity of middle earth is pulling his soul to pieces.
I think they are scared of people hiding within their religion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlQuote:
Originally Posted by Andre
You will find Andre that the majority of muslims wont condemn this , so as far as im concerned they are on the same page.
Reports are just in from the chief of police the cunt had prior convictions and was out on bail. She wouldnt say if some of the victums were killed from friendly fire.
Sydney siege: Grand Mufti of Australia condemns Martin Place attackQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlQuote:
Originally Posted by Andre
You will find Andre that the majority of muslims wont condemn this , so as far as im concerned they are on the same page.
Muslim leaders condemn Sydney siege
Muslims condemn Sydney siege as racial tensions heightened over Islamic flag at site of hostage-taking | National Post
Sydney siege: More than 40 Australian Muslim groups condemn cafe attack - Australia/New Zealand News & Top Stories - The Straits Times
Australian Muslim groups condemn Sydney cafe siege
Australian Muslims condemn hostage taking in Sydney
Australian Muslim groups condemn Sydney cafe siege | GulfNews.com
Good they need to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzSydney siege: Grand Mufti of Australia condemns Martin Place attackQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlQuote:
Originally Posted by Andre
You will find Andre that the majority of muslims wont condemn this , so as far as im concerned they are on the same page.
Muslim leaders condemn Sydney siege
Muslims condemn Sydney siege as racial tensions heightened over Islamic flag at site of hostage-taking | National Post
Sydney siege: More than 40 Australian Muslim groups condemn cafe attack - Australia/New Zealand News & Top Stories - The Straits Times
Australian Muslim groups condemn Sydney cafe siege
Australian Muslims condemn hostage taking in Sydney
Australian Muslim groups condemn Sydney cafe siege | GulfNews.com
The media also need to focus on them doing it.
They are not at the moment here.
I would have thought a cleric or Mullah would have offered himself up and gone in there to chat with the cunt.
Didnt hear that or see it on the coverage though.
Got a feeling the cops could of handled this other ways instead of waiting for the inevitable.
Maybe they tried getting someone in there early :-\ dont know.
This cunt had priors and was out on bail and the cops recon he was known to them and was unstable. (what do you do)? The law is the law,its for everyone,I wonder what his prior convictions were?
There is live footage in Martins square on the coverage here at the moment. Three cops line the square and people are going in one at a time past the cop line placing flowers down,there are thousands, I havent seen anyone turn up in a burka or in Muslim robes as yet, but would be interesting and it should be done and soon.
That's hilarious and all that but kind of ignores the FACT that torture victims just tell you what you want to hear and that the torture carried out in the name of people, in what you would call the civilized world, did diddly squat but drag the perpetrators of it down to the terrorists level. Drone attacking anything randomly is no better than planting a bomb amongst innocent civilians. How about the IRA, were they part of a civilised country when Americans were arming them ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
It's a sick and tragic thing but that guy was not at all representative of most Muslims, just as a violent far right white English National front supporting thug, does not represent me, even if we have got the same boots and haircut.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre
They should put some serious effort into taking a few of these easily manipulated shit bags and try to flip them. Another way of fire with fire maybe but personally I've had enough and can only feel for the innocents put at the knifes edge strictly because of the Country born into or religion followed. The have escalated it to the point of no return with these actions are those of madmen who have already decided to die. You simply forfeit all reason and peace easy approach when you dismember children, when you behead aid workers and then put the body on sale for the highest bidder, and when you frankly declare war on me. Fuck them and if given the opportunity I would have no problem with seeing someone under the Isis banner having his head disappear into a red cloud. I'll pop some fookin popcorn.
The guy was an Iranian Shi' ite nutter. Isis continue to kill Iranian sh'ites. It's easy to put two and two together and get five but it seems he was just another scummy cunt who latched onto the ideology of those who would not have thought twice about beheading him.
I noticed when the Commandos went in they let all the hostages run past and some poor middle eastern bearded guy who was unfortunate enough to look vaguely like the hostage taker, had the sense to not only raise his hands but lie down on the floor. I bet he was as frightened then as in any point during the ordeal. Seems the authorities acted quickly, and efficiently with appropriate deadly force when faced with no alternative.
Guy could have had a bomb set or anything.30 seconds and it was all over.
RIP the two victims and speedy recovery to those injured.