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Schmeling, Braddock, Baer, Dempsey, Tunney, Walcott=Top 15 ATGs
There are no more than 9/10 HWs ranked above them 6 right there.
Then you got Sharkey, Willard, Carnera, Galento, Rex Layne, Kid Matthews, Nino Valdez, ALL IN THE TOP 25---there are no more than 18/19 HWs ranked above them 6 right there.
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Re: Schmeling, Braddock, Baer, Dempsey, Tunney, Walcott=Top 15 ATGs
Those guys should have old newspapers wrapped under their tights because they were bums.
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Re: Schmeling, Braddock, Baer, Dempsey, Tunney, Walcott=Top 15 ATGs
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Beanflicker
Those guys should have old newspapers wrapped under their tights because they were bums.
wHO WAS THE BIGGEST BUM IN THE 6 FIGHTERS MENTIONED IN THE TITLE OF THIS THREAD?
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Re: Schmeling, Braddock, Baer, Dempsey, Tunney, Walcott=Top 15 ATGs
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brocktonblockbust
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Originally Posted by
Beanflicker
Those guys should have old newspapers wrapped under their tights because they were bums.
wHO WAS THE BIGGEST BUM IN THE 6 FIGHTERS MENTIONED IN THE TITLE OF THIS THREAD?
Braddock no question, he stunk on ice, he was a part time boxer, and managed to get the luckiest win in boxing history over Baer, who was probably exhausted from banging broads all night.
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Re: Schmeling, Braddock, Baer, Dempsey, Tunney, Walcott=Top 15 ATGs
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Beanflicker
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Originally Posted by
brocktonblockbust
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Originally Posted by
Beanflicker
Those guys should have old newspapers wrapped under their tights because they were bums.
wHO WAS THE BIGGEST BUM IN THE 6 FIGHTERS MENTIONED IN THE TITLE OF THIS THREAD?
Braddock no question, he stunk on ice, he was a part time boxer, and managed to get the luckiest win in boxing history over Baer, who was probably exhausted from banging broads all night.
JJ WHIPPED bAER'S ASS THAT NIGHT. JJ had a huge park in my hometown named after him. 50 acres of beautiful woodland and a nice lake in the center: James J Braddock Park, North Bergen, New Jersey.
Braddock was a wily fighter, very nice footwork. Rank: #18 All Time Greatest Heavy
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Re: Schmeling, Braddock, Baer, Dempsey, Tunney, Walcott=Top 15 ATGs
From best to worst I would go...
1. Tunney (even though he is a punk and a chicken for not fighting black fighters)
2. Dempsey
3. Baer
4. Schmeling
5. Walcott
6.
7.
8.
9.
10. Bradock
Braddock isn't in the class of those guys, he got lucky and was a club fighter at best.
Max Schmeling was the best human being of those guys, he was a true gentleman and hero.
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Re: Schmeling, Braddock, Baer, Dempsey, Tunney, Walcott=Top 15 ATGs
LOL
Surely you can't be serious! Some of them guys were never even champs!
They were not even HW's by todays standards.
Not a single one of them would survive a modern CW fight.
But I suppose, as @greynotsoold points out, you can only judge a fighter's greatness by the criteria of his era...
So going by that measuring stick, as an example.........
What the HELL is a full blown bum like James Braddock doing on ANY toplist, no matter what the criteria?
The fact that a guy like this can BECOME a champ is a PROOF of how poor a quality the era was.
I think if your gonna rank boxers on "greatness" the minimal criteria should atleast be that the boxer should not have a bum record.
Marciano went unbeaten in one of the weakest eras in history (because of the war), but atleast he had a clean record. Braddock has no excuse and no place on such a list.
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brocktonblockbust
very nice footwork.
That he used well loading and unloading trucks.
Braddock may be a top 10 day labourer or long shoreman of all time. ;D
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Re: Schmeling, Braddock, Baer, Dempsey, Tunney, Walcott=Top 15 ATGs
yeah but you wouldnt say it to his face :)
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yeah but you wouldnt say it to his face :)
Fuck yeah, I'd put my muay thai vs his crude boxing skills and I'm bigger than the motherfucker was ;D
Not Max Baer though.
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Re: Schmeling, Braddock, Baer, Dempsey, Tunney, Walcott=Top 15 ATGs
The booze runs strong in this one;D On the side can you picture Braddock reading about James Figg and falling out like :spit: Now that's a vision.
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brocktonblockbust
yeah but you wouldnt say it to his face :)
Fuck yeah, I'd put my muay thai vs his crude boxing skills and I'm bigger than the motherfucker was ;D
Not Max Baer though.
You probably have a better record against better opponents too ;) lol
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Re: Schmeling, Braddock, Baer, Dempsey, Tunney, Walcott=Top 15 ATGs
Walcott...
Another famous border-line bum
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Re: Schmeling, Braddock, Baer, Dempsey, Tunney, Walcott=Top 15 ATGs
I'm a bit disappointed my main man Primo doesn't rank higher! ;)
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Walcott...
Another famous border-line bum
You know shit about boxing if you claim Walcott was a bum. You are a disgrace and should never be allowed on the internet again.
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Re: Schmeling, Braddock, Baer, Dempsey, Tunney, Walcott=Top 15 ATGs
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Master
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Max Power
Walcott...
Another famous border-line bum
You know shit about boxing if you claim Walcott was a bum. You are a disgrace and should never be allowed on the internet again.
Joe Walcott.. 51-18
Toplist material right there.
Current fighters could never dream of such a successful career :lol1:
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Max Power
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Master
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Max Power
Walcott...
Another famous border-line bum
You know shit about boxing if you claim Walcott was a bum. You are a disgrace and should never be allowed on the internet again.
Joe Walcott.. 51-18
Toplist material right there.
Current fighters could never dream of such a successful career :lol1:
Have you never heard great fighters like Hopkins and Toney refer to Walcott’s moves and skill in the ring?
He fought in a day when records were not padded and protected as they are now.
Your stupidity knows no bounds. :)
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Master
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Max Power
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Master
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Originally Posted by
Max Power
Walcott...
Another famous border-line bum
You know shit about boxing if you claim Walcott was a bum. You are a disgrace and should never be allowed on the internet again.
Joe Walcott.. 51-18
Toplist material right there.
Current fighters could never dream of such a successful career :lol1:
Have you never heard great fighters like Hopkins and Toney refer to Walcott’s moves and skill in the ring?
He fought in a day when records were not padded and protected as they are now.
Your stupidity knows no bounds. :)
He fought in an incredibly weak era after war where a boxer like that could possibly become HW champion.
The records were MORE padded than now with guys who were not even training properly or enough. We can take a look at Walcotts opponents opponents too and see some even MORE shocking results. Not only do they have even more terrible records, but these records consist of barely any real HW fights and some even as low as bloody featherweight!
Hopkins and Toney can pay reverence as much as they like!
Hopkins and Toney achieved far better records against FAR better opposition from start of career, to finish, any way you slice it, and would have both knocked Walcott out easily. Basic fact!
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Re: Schmeling, Braddock, Baer, Dempsey, Tunney, Walcott=Top 15 ATGs
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Originally Posted by
Max Power
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Master
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Max Power
Walcott...
Another famous border-line bum
You know shit about boxing if you claim Walcott was a bum. You are a disgrace and should never be allowed on the internet again.
Joe Walcott.. 51-18
Toplist material right there.
Current fighters could never dream of such a successful career :lol1:
name a current fighter bwahaha who could fight Joe Louis 5 times , Ezzard Charles 5 times, Marciano 2 times, etc... You are fuill of shit. Wlacott fought every single one of those fights competitively, and won a few too. "current fighters' bwahahaha Maxpower put down THE CRACK PIPE YO.
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Originally Posted by
Max Power
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
Max Power
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
Max Power
Walcott...
Another famous border-line bum
You know shit about boxing if you claim Walcott was a bum. You are a disgrace and should never be allowed on the internet again.
Joe Walcott.. 51-18
Toplist material right there.
Current fighters could never dream of such a successful career :lol1:
Have you never heard great fighters like Hopkins and Toney refer to Walcott’s moves and skill in the ring?
He fought in a day when records were not padded and protected as they are now.
Your stupidity knows no bounds. :)
He fought in an incredibly weak era after war where a boxer like that could possibly become HW champion.
The records were MORE padded than now with guys who were not even training properly or enough. We can take a look at Walcotts opponents opponents too and see some even MORE shocking results. Not only do they have even more terrible records, but these records consist of barely any real HW fights and some even as low as bloody featherweight!
Hopkins and Toney can pay reverence as much as they like!
Hopkins and Toney achieved far better records against FAR better opposition from start of career, to finish, any way you slice it, and would have both knocked Walcott out easily. Basic fact!
You thInk a lightweight and an overweight heavyweight could beat a former heavyweight champion like Jersey Joe Walcott? You are mad! Completely mad.
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Re: Schmeling, Braddock, Baer, Dempsey, Tunney, Walcott=Top 15 ATGs
Bit daft to compare old guys to new... Most Light Heavyweights are bigger today, especially before they've sweated down to 179lb
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Re: Schmeling, Braddock, Baer, Dempsey, Tunney, Walcott=Top 15 ATGs
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Beanflicker
From best to worst I would go...
1. Tunney (even though he is a punk and a chicken for not fighting black fighters)
2. Dempsey
3. Baer
4. Schmeling
5. Walcott
6.
7.
8.
9.
10. Bradock
Braddock isn't in the class of those guys, he got lucky and was a club fighter at best.
Max Schmeling was the best human being of those guys, he was a true gentleman and hero.
LOL on the Tunney comment.
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Master
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Max Power
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
Max Power
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
Max Power
Walcott...
Another famous border-line bum
You know shit about boxing if you claim Walcott was a bum. You are a disgrace and should never be allowed on the internet again.
Joe Walcott.. 51-18
Toplist material right there.
Current fighters could never dream of such a successful career :lol1:
Have you never heard great fighters like Hopkins and Toney refer to Walcott’s moves and skill in the ring?
He fought in a day when records were not padded and protected as they are now.
Your stupidity knows no bounds. :)
He fought in an incredibly weak era after war where a boxer like that could possibly become HW champion.
The records were MORE padded than now with guys who were not even training properly or enough. We can take a look at Walcotts opponents opponents too and see some even MORE shocking results. Not only do they have even more terrible records, but these records consist of barely any real HW fights and some even as low as bloody featherweight!
Hopkins and Toney can pay reverence as much as they like!
Hopkins and Toney achieved far better records against FAR better opposition from start of career, to finish, any way you slice it, and would have both knocked Walcott out easily. Basic fact!
You thInk a lightweight and an overweight heavyweight could beat a former heavyweight champion like Jersey Joe Walcott? You are mad! Completely mad.
My favorite fighter -who up and coming champs fought to {{{PAD}}} their record is the GREAT Reggie Strickland. 66 wins 276 losses.
Not a 1940, 50,60's or 70's fighter.
LHW champ Tavaris Cloud was the last one to make use of him- & couldn't stop a fighter used for record-padding ;D
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Max Power
But I suppose, as @greynotsoold points out, you can only judge a fighter's greatness by the criteria of his era...
Holy Fuck!!!! You can teach a rock to think!
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Re: Schmeling, Braddock, Baer, Dempsey, Tunney, Walcott=Top 15 ATGs
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Originally Posted by
brocktonblockbust
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Originally Posted by
Max Power
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
Max Power
Walcott...
Another famous border-line bum
You know shit about boxing if you claim Walcott was a bum. You are a disgrace and should never be allowed on the internet again.
Joe Walcott.. 51-18
Toplist material right there.
Current fighters could never dream of such a successful career :lol1:
name a current fighter bwahaha who could fight Joe Louis 5 times , Ezzard Charles 5 times, Marciano 2 times, etc... You are fuill of shit. Wlacott fought every single one of those fights competitively, and won a few too. "current fighters' bwahahaha Maxpower put down THE CRACK PIPE YO.
Ok,
I think Jean MArc Mormeck could have fought all of those fighters and BEAT the lot of them!
Jean Marc Mormeck is the heaviest, the strongest, the most skilled, the fastest, the most powerful of all of them by FAR.
You have done what I call a "nostalgic assessment", let's get real here!
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ruthless rocco
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Originally Posted by
Max Power
But I suppose, as @greynotsoold points out, you can only judge a fighter's greatness by the criteria of his era...
Holy Fuck!!!! You can teach a rock to think!
Fuck you! He pointed out a simple fact that the sport has evolves, kind of like I've been saying as well. Except he is trying to spin it as if the sport is "devolving", becoming progressively weaker as usual for an OTNB poster. The extrapolation until even further past times all the way back to bare knuckles reveals that a boxer then and today, are hard to compare by record and skillset because they were so different.
OF COURSE I can agree with that!
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
Max Power
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
Max Power
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
Max Power
Walcott...
Another famous border-line bum
You know shit about boxing if you claim Walcott was a bum. You are a disgrace and should never be allowed on the internet again.
Joe Walcott.. 51-18
Toplist material right there.
Current fighters could never dream of such a successful career :lol1:
Have you never heard great fighters like Hopkins and Toney refer to Walcott’s moves and skill in the ring?
He fought in a day when records were not padded and protected as they are now.
Your stupidity knows no bounds. :)
He fought in an incredibly weak era after war where a boxer like that could possibly become HW champion.
The records were MORE padded than now with guys who were not even training properly or enough. We can take a look at Walcotts opponents opponents too and see some even MORE shocking results. Not only do they have even more terrible records, but these records consist of barely any real HW fights and some even as low as bloody featherweight!
Hopkins and Toney can pay reverence as much as they like!
Hopkins and Toney achieved far better records against FAR better opposition from start of career, to finish, any way you slice it, and would have both knocked Walcott out easily. Basic fact!
You thInk a lightweight and an overweight heavyweight could beat a former heavyweight champion like Jersey Joe Walcott? You are mad! Completely mad.
Take a look at Hopkins LOL That's no lightweight mate! And fuck me, as if Toney would even bother to step in the ring with Walcott! Toney would have had tougher sparring sessions than that!
On the contrary it is YOU who are mad to assume Walcott has any chances whatsoever here and it is an insult to Hopkins and a STINKING insult to Toney!
I doesn't matter if Toney was fat. Toney was HEAVY!
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WELCOME TO OTNB LAND PEOPLE!
The magical place where if an ancient fighter sustains double digit losses, it's a sign of character LOL
And if a modern fighter suffers few, sometimes even just a single loss, he is a bum!
It's such extreme bias and swaggery that drives the mythology machine to this very day.
Problem is, for most of boxing history the American hype machine could get away with it because there was no access to boxrec or online video.
Unfortunately for them we can now SEE how bad they were with our very own eyes.
Exposed.
Exposed.
Exposed.
;)
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Max Power
WELCOME TO OTNB LAND PEOPLE!
The magical place where if an ancient fighter sustains double digit losses, it's a sign of character LOL
And if a modern fighter suffers few, sometimes even just a single loss, he is a bum!
It's such extreme bias and swaggery that drives the mythology machine to this very day.
Problem is, for most of boxing history the American hype machine could get away with it because there was no access to boxrec or online video.
Unfortunately for them we can now SEE how bad they were with our very own eyes.
Exposed.
Exposed.
Exposed.
;)
Jersey Joe Walcott would wipe the living shit out of James Toney.
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Re: Schmeling, Braddock, Baer, Dempsey, Tunney, Walcott=Top 15 ATGs
Oh really..
When was the last time you seen him fight? Who was it, and how did he go? ;)
You know that isn't true.
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Re: Schmeling, Braddock, Baer, Dempsey, Tunney, Walcott=Top 15 ATGs
Walcott was a fine boxer, but he never was a great champ. He got jobbed in the first Louis fight, he won that fight no question, but he got KTFO in the rematch so he would have just lost the title there. Then he beat Ezzard Charles and got destroyed by Marciano in his defense. So Walcott, despite his skill, was the #1 in his weight class for about a year. Not exactly top 15 numbers.
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Beanflicker
Walcott was a fine boxer, but he never was a great champ. He got jobbed in the first Louis fight, he won that fight no question, but he got KTFO in the rematch so he would have just lost the title there. Then he beat Ezzard Charles and got destroyed by Marciano in his defense. So Walcott, despite his skill, was the #1 in his weight class for about a year. Not exactly top 15 numbers.
where would you rank him?
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Max Power
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
Max Power
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
Max Power
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
Max Power
Walcott...
Another famous border-line bum
You know shit about boxing if you claim Walcott was a bum. You are a disgrace and should never be allowed on the internet again.
Joe Walcott.. 51-18
Toplist material right there.
Current fighters could never dream of such a successful career :lol1:
Have you never heard great fighters like Hopkins and Toney refer to Walcott’s moves and skill in the ring?
He fought in a day when records were not padded and protected as they are now.
Your stupidity knows no bounds. :)
He fought in an incredibly weak era after war where a boxer like that could possibly become HW champion.
The records were MORE padded than now with guys who were not even training properly or enough. We can take a look at Walcotts opponents opponents too and see some even MORE shocking results. Not only do they have even more terrible records, but these records consist of barely any real HW fights and some even as low as bloody featherweight!
Hopkins and Toney can pay reverence as much as they like!
Hopkins and Toney achieved far better records against FAR better opposition from start of career, to finish, any way you slice it, and would have both knocked Walcott out easily. Basic fact!
You thInk a lightweight and an overweight heavyweight could beat a former heavyweight champion like Jersey Joe Walcott? You are mad! Completely mad.
Take a look at Hopkins LOL That's no lightweight mate! And fuck me, as if Toney would even bother to step in the ring with Walcott! Toney would have had tougher sparring sessions than that!
On the contrary it is YOU who are mad to assume Walcott has any chances whatsoever here and it is an insult to Hopkins and a STINKING insult to Toney!
I doesn't matter if Toney was fat. Toney was HEAVY!
I meant light heavy weight and of course he would beat Hopkins and probably Toney.
