Who are/were the most complete fighters ever, who could do it all? I would say Duran.
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Who are/were the most complete fighters ever, who could do it all? I would say Duran.
Ricardo Lopez.
Evander Holyfield has to be there. If he needed to knock out an opponent he did it, if he had to box he did it, if he had to use defense he did.
He was perfect at everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
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Originally Posted by MasterHe was perfect at everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Yes he didn't really have any faults , the most complete fighter I have ever seen.
I like the Holyfield and Lopez picks.
I'd also say Salvador Sanchez
Current day, GGG, Walters and Crawford. All time , RJJ In his prime.
Ray Leonard - speed, power, chin, stamina, defense...dude could do it all.
RJJ did not jab enough and relied too much of his speed to get away from punches. Not perfect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Sugar Ray Robinson was suppose to be p4p the greatest so what about him at welterweight?
Leonard does not compare to Lopez on power or infighting.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
True but when he had to do something he did it. He would find ways to win when people thought "There's no way"....who on Earth would have picked him to out slug Tommy Hearns??? Or to come back and beat Duran after just getting bullied out of the ring by him in the first fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlLeonard does not compare to Lopez on power or infighting.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Floyd Mayweather at 130-135.
Donald Curry use to throw perfect efficient punches.
Marvin Hagler was one of the most complete fighters I have seen. He could box orthodox or southpaw, could jab and move, could brawl, and could fight going forwards or on his back foot. Technically accomplished, he had every punch in the book as well as being a big puncher with a granite chin.
Bernard Hopkins. Guy can do it all in the ring as well as psychologically prior to and during the match. Hagler, Finito, Floyd and Evander were all great pics also. Disagree on Roy being included. He was great and the best at that style but as pointed out he relied on speed and would counter and potshot from a distance
I hear people say this and I always wonder if it ever occurred to them that maybe the jabbing thing was by choice, and maybe he felt he was more effective (or harder to tag with a counter) if he spared the jab? Or maybe there was another reason?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterRJJ did not jab enough and relied too much of his speed to get away from punches. Not perfect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Why do people on a forum think they know better than a guy who was an Olympic and world champion? I never understood that. I could see it if he wasn't effective with what he was doing, then you could say "oh yeah a jab would have been nice", in 15 years he was never really bested and the number of rounds he lost you could probably count with both hands.
Roy Jones at 168 was as close to a perfect fighter as you're ever going to get. Lightning fast reflexes, world class skill, boxing IQ off the charts, the fastest hands I've ever seen on a 168lber... and LEGIT one-punch knockout power in both hands.
Who could possibly even begin to compare to that other than SRR?
Different thread topic. No one is disputing Roys greatness or effectiveness in the ring, many are just pointing out that he wasn't the most well rounded fighter. I agree that Roy probably had great fundamentals and then switched to his more instinctive style because he correctly predicted it would be harder for opponents to solve. That being said, Roy was reflex/reaction based and would use feints n reflexes to intimidate and frustrate his opponents before catch on them with that one punch power you referenced. You never saw Roy go about his job in the ring and take a guy apart piece by piece like Hagler, Hopkins, Floyd or Finito did. That isn't to say Roy wasn't great or even that he couldn't win a head to head fight vs those guys (he was that talented). Even casual fans can watch those guys fight and see who was more balanced/complete in the ring.Quote:
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How come i never heard of him?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Salvadore Sanchez is told by expets (james toney) to be quite goid, need to watch him
Yes see Lopez he is complete.Quote:
Originally Posted by NVSeminHow come i never heard of him?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Salvadore Sanchez is told by expets (james toney) to be quite goid, need to watch him
I first heard of Salvador when Roy Jones was asked who was one of the most complete fighters. So I ordered him up on VHS tape back then;DQuote:
Originally Posted by NVSeminHow come i never heard of him?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Salvadore Sanchez is told by expets (james toney) to be quite goid, need to watch him
I'd reccomend his war with Danny Lopez, Juan Laporte, but for a clinic?
Wilfredo Gomez 32-0-1
Man Sanchez Hispanic afro is bouncing to a rhythm! LOL, He fights inside,, outside, and an attack that is patient, yet forceful. Body and head.
Sanchez vs Gomez is a perfect example of Advanced Boxing, not 101.
Similar to Julio Cesar Chavez vs Edwin Rosario...only JCC was dominant from the phonebooth.
Sanchez seemed to have the goods to do it all..R.I.P he went too young.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQvSjhkRySQ
Sanchez vs Gomez Round 1-2 He gets the undefeated Gomez hurt, but attacks him methodically & patiently. This is the guy that the James Toney & Roy Jones Jr watched a kids.
Marco Antonio Barrera, James Toney, Michael Spinks and Mike McCallum.
I thought Bernard Hopkins was unbeatable and the most complete fighter when I saw him at his peak.
Before that, I thought Duran was the best and the most complete fighter in boxing.
Then, I had the conviction that Mike Tyson is an alien and would be unbeatable for a very long time.
Then, I saw Roy Jones and thought he was a demi-god.
Then I taunted Pacquaio for his weird angles when he was just starting as a pro boxer and was amazed at how he became a complete boxer.
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