Most complete fighters.

[Master]

Current day, GGG, Walters and Crawford. All time , RJJ In his prime.

RJJ did not jab enough and relied too much of his speed to get away from punches. Not perfect.

[Master]

Sugar Ray Robinson was suppose to be p4p the greatest so what about him at welterweight?

[Beanflicker]

Current day, GGG, Walters and Crawford. All time , RJJ In his prime.

RJJ did not jab enough and relied too much of his speed to get away from punches. Not perfect.

I hear people say this and I always wonder if it ever occurred to them that maybe the jabbing thing was by choice, and maybe he felt he was more effective (or harder to tag with a counter) if he spared the jab? Or maybe there was another reason?

Why do people on a forum think they know better than a guy who was an Olympic and world champion? I never understood that. I could see it if he wasn't effective with what he was doing, then you could say "oh yeah a jab would have been nice", in 15 years he was never really bested and the number of rounds he lost you could probably count with both hands.

[Beanflicker]

Roy Jones at 168 was as close to a perfect fighter as you're ever going to get. Lightning fast reflexes, world class skill, boxing IQ off the charts, the fastest hands I've ever seen on a 168lber... and LEGIT one-punch knockout power in both hands.

Who could possibly even begin to compare to that other than SRR?

[mikeeod]

Roy Jones at 168 was as close to a perfect fighter as you're ever going to get. Lightning fast reflexes, world class skill, boxing IQ off the charts, the fastest hands I've ever seen on a 168lber... and LEGIT one-punch knockout power in both hands.

Who could possibly even begin to compare to that other than SRR?

Different thread topic. No one is disputing Roys greatness or effectiveness in the ring, many are just pointing out that he wasn't the most well rounded fighter. I agree that Roy probably had great fundamentals and then switched to his more instinctive style because he correctly predicted it would be harder for opponents to solve. That being said, Roy was reflex/reaction based and would use feints n reflexes to intimidate and frustrate his opponents before catch on them with that one punch power you referenced. You never saw Roy go about his job in the ring and take a guy apart piece by piece like Hagler, Hopkins, Floyd or Finito did. That isn't to say Roy wasn't great or even that he couldn't win a head to head fight vs those guys (he was that talented). Even casual fans can watch those guys fight and see who was more balanced/complete in the ring.