your opinion on what factors have made Floyd great

A lot of negative stuff about Floyd lately so I figure I'd try something positive. We don't need to talk about his recent links to Lance Armstrong and Manny Rameriz, let's keep it positive.

I seriously think Floyd's jab is a major factor in his successor. I think he could win a fight on points just using that jab.

Can't not talk about that defense. IMO there is no way he could have lasted so long without it. The guy makes his defense more exciting than his offense. I often watch fighters highlights of defense on YouTube. Tyson in his prime was probably the best hw defense I've seen of recent era. No matter what the caliber of Floyd's opponents his defense is a thing of art. All the peds in the world couldn't make that. I think we are coming to the end of the Floyd and Manny era, it's not like boxing will stop with these guys gone but it will be sad to see it happen. I hope they both go out gracefully.

besides all his merits, avoiding manny pacquiao in his prime

he said that it was because the peds, but when he said that he would take the test floyd started with the things about getting much more money, all ppv etc, and they were still in their prime when that

Floyd's a great business man and fighter, but his legacy will be tested.

Kids want his success, not adopt his fighting moves.

I have not studied him a lot, all I can say so far Floyd has couple of trademark techniques (apparently shoudler roll and pull counters), the rest like jab, footwork is nothing really new and flashy, it is just that he is doing well, at a right time and in the right place.

So, in my mind, I cannot invision some youtube highlights of Floyd , which will inspire future technicians 10 years from now. What is inspiting is what Pernel WHitaker did, James Toney to an extent ( in Bakley fight), Roy Jones, SRL, Tyson.

He seems like a nice guy, so innocent somehow. I think he done everything right, And the beef between him and pac, arum or whatever it's funny, because the whole world talking about it, People saying stuff they shouldn't and making fun of both floyd and pac online, i've heard some good jokes about both of them. It brings me a good laugh, as long as i'm happy I'm fine with whatever he's doing

Coming from a non fan here but in a way..his attitude and arrogance. Not caring a single percent what the fans, the press and every other single person on Earth thinks or says about your style or execution has to some sort of asset and a total clean slate. Its one thing to run your mouth and act a clown but when that is accompanied with a master defense and boxing mind its massive. And in case I didn't mention it the guy is a total twat ;D

floyd is GREAT....at ducking fighters.

floyd is GREAT....at making excuses.

floyd is GREAT....at fighting dirty.

floyd is GREAT....at buying off refs and judges.

floyd is GREAT....at beating women.

floyd is GREAT....at running.

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Originally Posted by #1FightFan

floyd is GREAT....at ducking fighters.

floyd is GREAT....at making excuses.

floyd is GREAT....at fighting dirty.

floyd is GREAT....at buying off refs and judges.

floyd is GREAT....at beating women.

floyd is GREAT....at running.

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This is an example! ;D

floyd has a very good record, probably the best around by some distance

yes hes picked his opponents very well and often fought them at the right time

but still, who has a record thats anywhere near as good?

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floyd is GREAT....at ducking fighters.

floyd is GREAT....at making excuses.

floyd is GREAT....at fighting dirty.

floyd is GREAT....at buying off refs and judges.

floyd is GREAT....at beating women.

floyd is GREAT....at running.

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Your like a fucking broken record

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Originally Posted by #1FightFan

floyd is GREAT....at ducking fighters.

floyd is GREAT....at making excuses.

floyd is GREAT....at fighting dirty.

floyd is GREAT....at buying off refs and judges.

floyd is GREAT....at beating women.

floyd is GREAT....at running.

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Your like a fucking broken record

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A broken record would be more like

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For the record not all of the above sentiments are m...m...m..mine

Careful matchmaking LOL ;)

Chutzpah, joi devivre, style and oodles of it. It's an ineffable thing, that kind of arrogance in a physical manifestation is pretty unique and unparalleled. The Eubanks try to emulate it but it's not a facade for Floyd, it's in his DNA and not just genetically, it's a carefully cultivated approach built on confidence in a peerless execution of technique.

It's hard not to pile on the superlatives but I think despite him not being TBE in my opinion he is a great boxer. He might be a great fighter too but he has not had to pull it out of the fire so far, so superior has his technique been.

Now I need to go and rinse my mouth out..

I also dislike Floyd in many ways but I am always in awe watching him box. His personality reminds me of Ruthless Rocco but despite that being a boxing fan you can't help appreciate what the guy does.

Just his ability to shut down his opponents offence. It's so impressive seeing multi weight world champions just standing infront of him utterly bomboozled. He almost lacks defining victories because a lot of his defining fights have been so one sided. His consistency is also fantastic. He has everything other than one punch ko power.

Floyd is a smart fighter.


Too smart to avoid all possible fighters who would be able to knock him out in their peak.


He said it himself. He does not want to be hurt because he values his life more than his reputation. I cannot judge him on that. Boxing is a dangerous sport after all.

Anyway, that leads me to my point. He is not great yet in my record. Not after he fights Pac whom I consider to be in the level of Armstrong (nearest) , SRR, Ali, etc.:cool:

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Careful matchmaking LOL ;)

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Defensive driving.😆

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Originally Posted by walrus

A lot of negative stuff about Floyd lately so I figure I'd try something positive. We don't need to talk about his recent links to Lance Armstrong and Manny Rameriz, let's keep it positive.

I seriously think Floyd's jab is a major factor in his successor. I think he could win a fight on points just using that jab.

Can't not talk about that defense. IMO there is no way he could have lasted so long without it. The guy makes his defense more exciting than his offense. I often watch fighters highlights of defense on YouTube. Tyson in his prime was probably the best hw defense I've seen of recent era. No matter what the caliber of Floyd's opponents his defense is a thing of art. All the peds in the world couldn't make that. I think we are coming to the end of the Floyd and Manny era, it's not like boxing will stop with these guys gone but it will be sad to see it happen. I hope they both go out gracefully.

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Ah... Yea, Right! that will do it.

I love Floyd... he's Great! T.B.E. :duck:

Floyd has been consistent in his level of skill against all his opponents and he adjusts better than anyone I have seen.

Other than that he is a cunt.

Speed, Great hand & eye cooridination, timing, reflex, underated power- not great but as Maidana said-repectable, then add on his ring IQ (adjustments), he is about as close to the total package as one could have.
Then add on his defense, he can roll with punches, he fights from angles, turns, pivots, twists, giving his foe little to hit cleanly, and when they do land...how many fighters in the history of the sport has gone 18 years and never dropped? on his back or a knee...in 18 years?! if that isnt an underated chin, I dont know what is.

Oh and a shrude negotiater on who he picks to display his talents and skills and when...Floyd has the greatest career in boxing. His resume is TBE.

BUT...that doesnt make him the greatest boxer.

He's one of the rare guys who had it all: superior athletic ability, boxing skill and IQ that was off the charts, the toughness and mental fortitude to take a punch and be able to operate intelligently in high stress situations, and the discipline.

For years, two of my favourite fighters were James Toney and Roberto Duran, and I had to go on the forums and make excuses for both guys, talking about how James would have done this and that if he had been in shape, and how Roberto Duran would have whipped SRL in the 2nd fight if he was in shape and didn't blow up after the first fight, ect ect. Eventually I had to accept the fact that discipline was as much linked to how great a boxer was as skill or anything else. Thomas Hearns and Roberto Duran, to me, were not in the same class as Sugar Ray Leonard because Leonard had it all. Duran didn't have the discipline and Hearns didn't have the chin or the ability to operate with a clear mind when hurt.

Guys like Floyd, Roy Jones, Ray Leonard, Pernell, Ray Robinson, ect will always be the best boxing ever offered IMO, because they were complete fighters.

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Originally Posted by SlimTrae

Oh and a shrude negotiater on who he picks to display his talents and skills and when...Floyd has the greatest career in boxing. His resume is TBE.

BUT...that doesnt make him the greatest boxer.

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That's a strange opinion, usually people praise his boxing skill but shit on his record.

Who were better boxers than Floyd?

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Oh and a shrude negotiater on who he picks to display his talents and skills and when...Floyd has the greatest career in boxing. His resume is TBE.

BUT...that doesnt make him the greatest boxer.

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That's a strange opinion, usually people praise his boxing skill but shit on his record.

Who were better boxers than Floyd?

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Agreed, most do (attempt) to rag his record, but overall it has been 18 years!
The most I can muster to question who he didnt fight was Paul Williams and Antonio Margarito, otherwise I'm hard pressed to find others he could have fought.

Maybe some say he chose certain times to fight guys? But he won the title within 2 years as a pro, has fought undefeated fighters like Diego Corralles who 33-0, Hatton 43-0, body punchers like Castillo, southpaw with quick hands like Judah, fought DLH at DLH's preferred weight, Shane after his annhilation of Margarito, JMM with the exception of a controversial loss to Pac had cleaned out his division over MAB, Juarez, Diaz & the lineal champ at the time Casamayor.
And the last 3-4 guys he fought werent ancient relics; young bucks, Canelo, Guerrero, Ortiz & a bruiser in Maidana.

If his resume can be topped, then I have no problems acknowledging those who have as many different styles of fighters on their resume as PBF.

And when I say he isnt the greatest boxer, I mean that he has ..chosen- when to fight certain guys on his resume, and most of all, he failed IMO to solidy the best when he haggles & negotiate. Ali never did that he fought whoever, whenever, however.
If Ali were in Floyd's shoes..he would have fought Paul Williams at his top & Margarito....Ali didnt care much for Don King the way PBF dislikes Arum, but the greats fight whoever, and whenever...Floyd doesn't.

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If Ali were in Floyd's shoes..he would have fought Paul Williams at his top & Margarito....Ali didnt care much for Don King the way PBF dislikes Arum, but the greats fight whoever, and whenever...Floyd doesn't.

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Yeah but Ali also sat on the ropes (in fights and in sparring) and let guys pound on him, and ended up in a sad state after boxing, so maybe he isn't the greatest example of a guy who made all the right moves...

When I hear people talk about Floyd like he ducked these guys, or like he was the only one in the history of boxing who never fought a couple of guys people would have liked to have seen him against... I have to wonder why those people are willing to form opinions without doing the research.

After all Floyd has done, do we really think that either Margarito or Paul Williams would have defined his career or given him more trouble than a Corrales, Hatton, De La Hoya, Alvarez, ect?

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If Ali were in Floyd's shoes..he would have fought Paul Williams at his top & Margarito....Ali didnt care much for Don King the way PBF dislikes Arum, but the greats fight whoever, and whenever...Floyd doesn't.

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Yeah but Ali also sat on the ropes (in fights and in sparring) and let guys pound on him, and ended up in a sad state after boxing, so maybe he isn't the greatest example of a guy who made all the right moves...

When I hear people talk about Floyd like he ducked these guys, or like he was the only one in the history of boxing who never fought a couple of guys people would have liked to have seen him against... I have to wonder why those people are willing to form opinions without doing the research.

After all Floyd has done, do we really think that either Margarito or Paul Williams would have defined his career or given him more trouble than a Corrales, Hatton, De La Hoya, Alvarez, ect?

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My defining of great can be considered subjective not objective, doesn't bother me.
But from my perspective a factor of greatness is defined by taking on all comers.

So with Ali..we HAVE NO QUESTIONS UNANSWERED, but with Floyd we have to speculate on why the long-tall-rangy fighters were left of his resume.

Wether Ali sat on the ropes in sparring or tightroped walked them :lickish: has no bearing on this discussion.
IMO I am stricly talking boxing, from an athletic perspective.
Football or Basketball doesnt have athletes claiming no need to play this team or that teambecause of..insert selfish answer. Other sports are set up to match your skills against all.
Well Ali made that decision: He was too arrogant to let someone go by, wether he could beat them or not, he had to find out.

Floyd chose not to find out, and for that he is not my greatest fighter of all time.

I suppose to some (morons) greatness in boxing comes down to fighting EVERYBODY. If that were the case then Emannual Augustus or Glen Johnson or Yori Boy Campas are the greatest fighters.

But we all know there's more to it than that. Being great doesn't mean you take on everyone it means you know your abilities--your strengths and your weaknesses and you use them to your advantage.

You say Floyd isn't great because he never fought a long rangy fighter (and you ignore Coralles, because it doesn't suit your argument) and that proves he's not great?

You can count the number of rounds Floyd's lost on your fingers and toes.

Think a little people. There's no question that Floyd is an all time great.

Yes Rocco but he is not the best ever which he claims to be. :)

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Floyd has been consistent in his level of skill against all his opponents and he adjusts better than anyone I have seen.

Other than that he is a cunt.

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I agree with most of the above..

Who has highlights like these..
http://youtu.be/bQYeSXpC244

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Originally Posted by ruthless rocco

I suppose to some (morons) greatness in boxing comes down to fighting EVERYBODY. If that were the case then Emannual Augustus or Glen Johnson or Yori Boy Campas are the greatest fighters.

But we all know there's more to it than that. Being great doesn't mean you take on everyone it means you know your abilities--your strengths and your weaknesses and you use them to your advantage.

You say Floyd isn't great because he never fought a long rangy fighter (and you ignore Coralles, because it doesn't suit your argument) and that proves he's not great?

You can count the number of rounds Floyd's lost on your fingers and toes.

Think a little people. There's no question that Floyd is an all time great.

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Some of you are a stone tripped having to use insults when you disagree, Morons? Serious.. check yourself with that internet tough guy talk,
And I never said Floyd wasnt great. I said to me he wasnt the greatEST!

And I labeled it as a perspective, subjective at that. Quality beats Quantity everday of the week.

Are great fighters born or made? Perhaps they are born to be made? Its pretty obvious to me that the Mayweathers totally immersed Floyd from a toddler and whats that theory about 50,000 hours?
That same type of total immersion also had to have helped to construct the Gretzky's and Jordans of the world.

It is also quite obvious that the Mayweathers looked closely at the fighting technique of both Burley and Benton and although both Sr and Roger had limited success behind the shoulder, Floyd mastered it and put his own signature in it because he had the time

Adding to that desire for perfection was Floyds no doubt desire to escape the imperfections of his family life.

A perfect storm.

Great talent combined with great work ethic.

Having a good boxing pedigree doesn't hurt, either.

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I suppose to some (morons) greatness in boxing comes down to fighting EVERYBODY. If that were the case then Emannual Augustus or Glen Johnson or Yori Boy Campas are the greatest fighters.

But we all know there's more to it than that. Being great doesn't mean you take on everyone it means you know your abilities--your strengths and your weaknesses and you use them to your advantage.

You say Floyd isn't great because he never fought a long rangy fighter (and you ignore Coralles, because it doesn't suit your argument) and that proves he's not great?

You can count the number of rounds Floyd's lost on your fingers and toes.

Think a little people. There's no question that Floyd is an all time great.

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Some of you are a stone tripped having to use insults when you disagree, Morons? Serious.. check yourself with that internet tough guy talk,
And I never said Floyd wasnt great. I said to me he wasnt the greatEST!

And I labeled it as a perspective, subjective at that. Quality beats Quantity everday of the week.

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I wasn't specifically calling you a moron, but if you want to put yourself in that category that's fine with me.

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Careful matchmaking LOL ;)

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Im not sold on that one at all.

The person who gave him his closest fight in Castillo 1 (I thought Castillo won on a point actually). Floyd gave a return bout and did the job in flying form.

This is a crooked sport at times so that record of his could of been protected a touch by the sports interests :-\.

But he had work done on his shoulder and came back to fight him Floyd weighed in at 138 Castillo at 147.

Floyd for the most part is consistently controlling in and out of the ring though.

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Careful matchmaking LOL ;)

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Im not sold on that one at all.

The person who gave him his closest fight in Castillo 1 (I thought Castillo won on a point actually). Floyd gave a return bout and did the job in flying form.

This is a crooked sport at times so that record of his could of been protected a touch by the sports interests :-\.

But he had work done on his shoulder and came back to fight him Floyd weighed in at 138 Castillo at 147.

Floyd for the most part is consistently controlling in and out of the ring though.

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Floyd said himself on one of those Showtime half hour shows leading up to a fight that part of his greatness is picking his fights. He said he will continue to do it. I give him props for the honesty.

He has done up all the people I thought had the best hope against him Mosley,JMM,Cotto, probably in order.

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He has done up all the people I thought had the best hope against him Mosley,JMM,Cotto, probably in order.

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I was certain Canelo would beat him and stayed up all night. :(

When Shane nearly knocked him out I was in ecstasy. :)

'What has made Floyd great?'

1. Floyd is a shrewd dude.
He is not the most educated person you are going to meet, he does put his foot in his mouth on occasion, and he does have a few strange ideas about life, but he is not stupid.
Floyd knows a good idea when he hears it and will accept advice from those he trusts (family members or Haymon as examples).
Floyd has bumped heads with some of the shrewdest in boxing and has come out ahead.
Dropping Arum, promoting himself, switching to Showtime and keeping his hand in negotiations are all signs of listening to and taking good advice. It also indicates a risk taker with a set of balls the size of beach balls!

2. Yeah, someone said boxing pedigree!
When most of us were learning to ride a bike, Floyd was setting around a gym listening, watching, absorbing, deciding what worked. He was hitting the heavy bag, the speed bag, and the pads with his uncle or some other trainer or his dad. I'm not saying he was there all the time but I think he probably knew as much about throwing a punch correctly at age 10 as we do now.

3. Floyd loves boxing!
He is a gym rat, loves training, loves performing, loves the competition, loves the attention, loves his 'fuck all y'all' persona, loves the women, and loves the money. Oh yeah, loves to win!

4. Floyd is a control freak!

5. Inside the ring!
Floyd is the best in the ring. His speed, poise, the way he uses the ring, the way he can fight off the ropes, the way he hides behind his shoulder, his punch selection, the way he draws very good fighters into punches, the way he is almost always in position, and his experience make him the best, right now. He takes a pretty good punch too, meaning he recovers very fast


These are the things that make Floyd great and wildly popular with his fan base, in my opinion.
He's as flawed as the next guy outside of boxing and not someone I could ever be friends with or hang out with, not that he'd ever want to hang with me. lol If you only knew how funny that is!

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Originally Posted by #1FightFan

floyd is GREAT....at ducking fighters.

floyd is GREAT....at making excuses.

floyd is GREAT....at fighting dirty.

floyd is GREAT....at buying off refs and judges.

floyd is GREAT....at beating women.

floyd is GREAT....at running.

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Your like a fucking broken record

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Maybe but every word he says is true

Floyd Mayweather jr is one of the most God Given talented ever & could today be regarded in the same breath as Ali, Robinson etc but he's NOT & never will be. Talent alone does not make a great fighter he needs heart , courage & yes cojones too. This is where Floyd loses out. For reasons, known only to him, Floyd regards his 0 as EVERYTHING. He's done everything he can to protect it hes ducked fighter, made ludicrous excuses not to face then & blatantly lied on many occasions. Even so If justice was done Floyd would already have 2 losses on his record Castillo 1 & Maidana 1 Floyd is his own worst enemy HE is the only one to blame for his tarnished legacy. Floyd is a VERY GOOD fighter but he'll never be an ALL TIME GREAT!!!

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Careful matchmaking LOL ;)

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Im not sold on that one at all.

The person who gave him his closest fight in Castillo 1 (I thought Castillo won on a point actually). Floyd gave a return bout and did the job in flying form.

This is a crooked sport at times so that record of his could of been protected a touch by the sports interests :-\.

But he had work done on his shoulder and came back to fight him Floyd weighed in at 138 Castillo at 147.

Floyd for the most part is consistently controlling in and out of the ring though.

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Floyd said himself on one of those Showtime half hour shows leading up to a fight that part of his greatness is picking his fights. He said he will continue to do it. I give him props for the honesty.

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That's the way it is when you have control of your career.