your opinion on what factors have made Floyd great

[Master]

Floyd has been consistent in his level of skill against all his opponents and he adjusts better than anyone I have seen.

Other than that he is a cunt.

[SlimTrae]

Speed, Great hand & eye cooridination, timing, reflex, underated power- not great but as Maidana said-repectable, then add on his ring IQ (adjustments), he is about as close to the total package as one could have.
Then add on his defense, he can roll with punches, he fights from angles, turns, pivots, twists, giving his foe little to hit cleanly, and when they do land...how many fighters in the history of the sport has gone 18 years and never dropped? on his back or a knee...in 18 years?! if that isnt an underated chin, I dont know what is.

Oh and a shrude negotiater on who he picks to display his talents and skills and when...Floyd has the greatest career in boxing. His resume is TBE.

BUT...that doesnt make him the greatest boxer.

[Beanflicker]

He's one of the rare guys who had it all: superior athletic ability, boxing skill and IQ that was off the charts, the toughness and mental fortitude to take a punch and be able to operate intelligently in high stress situations, and the discipline.

For years, two of my favourite fighters were James Toney and Roberto Duran, and I had to go on the forums and make excuses for both guys, talking about how James would have done this and that if he had been in shape, and how Roberto Duran would have whipped SRL in the 2nd fight if he was in shape and didn't blow up after the first fight, ect ect. Eventually I had to accept the fact that discipline was as much linked to how great a boxer was as skill or anything else. Thomas Hearns and Roberto Duran, to me, were not in the same class as Sugar Ray Leonard because Leonard had it all. Duran didn't have the discipline and Hearns didn't have the chin or the ability to operate with a clear mind when hurt.

Guys like Floyd, Roy Jones, Ray Leonard, Pernell, Ray Robinson, ect will always be the best boxing ever offered IMO, because they were complete fighters.

[Beanflicker]

Oh and a shrude negotiater on who he picks to display his talents and skills and when...Floyd has the greatest career in boxing. His resume is TBE.

BUT...that doesnt make him the greatest boxer.

That's a strange opinion, usually people praise his boxing skill but shit on his record.

Who were better boxers than Floyd?

[SlimTrae]

Oh and a shrude negotiater on who he picks to display his talents and skills and when...Floyd has the greatest career in boxing. His resume is TBE.

BUT...that doesnt make him the greatest boxer.

That's a strange opinion, usually people praise his boxing skill but shit on his record.

Who were better boxers than Floyd?

Agreed, most do (attempt) to rag his record, but overall it has been 18 years!
The most I can muster to question who he didnt fight was Paul Williams and Antonio Margarito, otherwise I'm hard pressed to find others he could have fought.

Maybe some say he chose certain times to fight guys? But he won the title within 2 years as a pro, has fought undefeated fighters like Diego Corralles who 33-0, Hatton 43-0, body punchers like Castillo, southpaw with quick hands like Judah, fought DLH at DLH's preferred weight, Shane after his annhilation of Margarito, JMM with the exception of a controversial loss to Pac had cleaned out his division over MAB, Juarez, Diaz & the lineal champ at the time Casamayor.
And the last 3-4 guys he fought werent ancient relics; young bucks, Canelo, Guerrero, Ortiz & a bruiser in Maidana.

If his resume can be topped, then I have no problems acknowledging those who have as many different styles of fighters on their resume as PBF.

And when I say he isnt the greatest boxer, I mean that he has ..chosen- when to fight certain guys on his resume, and most of all, he failed IMO to solidy the best when he haggles & negotiate. Ali never did that he fought whoever, whenever, however.
If Ali were in Floyd's shoes..he would have fought Paul Williams at his top & Margarito....Ali didnt care much for Don King the way PBF dislikes Arum, but the greats fight whoever, and whenever...Floyd doesn't.

[Beanflicker]

If Ali were in Floyd's shoes..he would have fought Paul Williams at his top & Margarito....Ali didnt care much for Don King the way PBF dislikes Arum, but the greats fight whoever, and whenever...Floyd doesn't.

Yeah but Ali also sat on the ropes (in fights and in sparring) and let guys pound on him, and ended up in a sad state after boxing, so maybe he isn't the greatest example of a guy who made all the right moves...

When I hear people talk about Floyd like he ducked these guys, or like he was the only one in the history of boxing who never fought a couple of guys people would have liked to have seen him against... I have to wonder why those people are willing to form opinions without doing the research.

After all Floyd has done, do we really think that either Margarito or Paul Williams would have defined his career or given him more trouble than a Corrales, Hatton, De La Hoya, Alvarez, ect?

[SlimTrae]

If Ali were in Floyd's shoes..he would have fought Paul Williams at his top & Margarito....Ali didnt care much for Don King the way PBF dislikes Arum, but the greats fight whoever, and whenever...Floyd doesn't.

Yeah but Ali also sat on the ropes (in fights and in sparring) and let guys pound on him, and ended up in a sad state after boxing, so maybe he isn't the greatest example of a guy who made all the right moves...

When I hear people talk about Floyd like he ducked these guys, or like he was the only one in the history of boxing who never fought a couple of guys people would have liked to have seen him against... I have to wonder why those people are willing to form opinions without doing the research.

After all Floyd has done, do we really think that either Margarito or Paul Williams would have defined his career or given him more trouble than a Corrales, Hatton, De La Hoya, Alvarez, ect?

My defining of great can be considered subjective not objective, doesn't bother me.
But from my perspective a factor of greatness is defined by taking on all comers.

So with Ali..we HAVE NO QUESTIONS UNANSWERED, but with Floyd we have to speculate on why the long-tall-rangy fighters were left of his resume.

Wether Ali sat on the ropes in sparring or tightroped walked them has no bearing on this discussion.
IMO I am stricly talking boxing, from an athletic perspective.
Football or Basketball doesnt have athletes claiming no need to play this team or that teambecause of..insert selfish answer. Other sports are set up to match your skills against all.
Well Ali made that decision: He was too arrogant to let someone go by, wether he could beat them or not, he had to find out.

Floyd chose not to find out, and for that he is not my greatest fighter of all time.

[imp]

Floyd has been consistent in his level of skill against all his opponents and he adjusts better than anyone I have seen.

Other than that he is a cunt.

I agree with most of the above..

Who has highlights like these..
http://youtu.be/bQYeSXpC244