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Bermane Stiverne remains hospitalized after title bout with severe dehydration!!
This explains a little bit. He had to be admitted and kept up to today with severe dehydration.
He was just too lethargic coming into the 6th and 7th round. His punches had no steam. Larry Holmes was ringside and sent a note to his trainers saying to put water over him.
King said he will talk to Sulaiman for a rematch. I would like that, indeed.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/boxing...063036223.html
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Re: Bermane Stiverne remains hospitalized after title bout with severe dehydration!!
We don't know what he was eating or drinking during camp, we knew something was wrong during the fight but allowed him to continue to get punched in the head.
Brilliant.
If Stiverns mob handle anyone below heavy I'd be concerned.
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We don't know what he was eating or drinking during camp, we knew something was wrong during the fight but allowed him to continue to get punched in the head.
Brilliant.
If Stiverns mob handle anyone below heavy I'd be concerned.
Could be that he was/is a healthy specimen? There is a difference in in-grown strength and conditioning with Caribbean fighters and to some extent Eastern European fighters when you place them next to American fighters- better early age diets, and better quality specimens with little or no "social" hang ups that destroy habits and behaviour.
Stiverne may just be a good quality specimen, built Ford Tough. But even the best specimens have their limits. He took his to the limit under some extreme conditions, as it appears.
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Re: Bermane Stiverne remains hospitalized after title bout with severe dehydration!!
No excuses, I like Stiverne, but he did seem a bit "out of it" (maybe because of eating so many straight rights from the big punching Wilder) but did you see his non-existent footwork after round 6? He stood squared-up, no head movement, never even tried to duck under any shots that I saw, didn't make a fuck of a lotta sense to me.
The fat shit looked woefully out of shape to me as well, pudgy, sluggish, waddling like a duck.
Pudgy, sluggish, waddling like a duck. Seriously, wtf? happened to him? he's right he was "flat"----
though I would say more like "fat" bwahaha
How hard did this dude train for Wilder? You're going in against a chiseled 29 year old Adonis with a big cock and a small head, shoulders like Atlas, 32 KOs------ Stiverne looked like he was in the shape to fight a buffet table at an all-you-can-eat Mexican restaurant.
bad conditioning, and even WORSE FIGHT PLAN.
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No excuses, I like Stiverne, but he did seem a bit "out of it" (maybe because of eating so many straight rights from the big punching Wilder) but did you see his non-existent footwork after round 6? He stood squared-up, no head movement, never even tried to duck under any shots that I saw, didn't make a fuck of a lotta sense to me.
The fat shit looked woefully out of shape to me as well, pudgy, sluggish, waddling like a duck.
Pudgy, sluggish, waddling like a duck. Seriously, wtf? happened to him? he's right he was "flat"----
though I would say more like "fat" bwahaha
How hard did this dude train for Wilder? You're going in against a chiseled 29 year old Adonis with a big cock and a small head, shoulders like Atlas, 32 KOs------ Stiverne looked like he was in the shape to fight a buffet table at an all-you-can-eat Mexican restaurant.
bad conditioning, and even WORSE FIGHT PLAN.
Thats what I've been saying about him for ages.
Its nothing new, just the big difference here was Wilder was a lot more difficult to hit because he had a hard jab, was tall, could actually ride punches because he could see them coming and could use his legs.
If Tua had been fighting Arreola he too would have won the title. Arreola is easy to hit, Wilder wasn't.
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The man was brave enough to get into the ring with another professional fighter, risking serious injury and humiliation in front of millions.
Speedy recovery Bermane
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Re: Bermane Stiverne remains hospitalized after title bout with severe dehydration!!
Well Stiverne did stop moving at about the 6th. I think he shook those rights he took in the 2nd and the 4th. He never had movement. And when he tried to move, he did so for short stints and then looked gassed.
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If the bell didn't save him at the end of the 2nd he would have probably ended the fight unconcious.
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he was getting punched very very hard in the head over and over again
probably contributed to him stopping moving his head at the half way mark
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If the bell didn't save him at the end of the 2nd he would have probably ended the fight unconcious.
Looks like Wilder kept punching after the bell to me....
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If the bell didn't save him at the end of the 2nd he would have probably ended the fight unconcious.
Looks like Wilder kept punching after the bell to me....
Don King is in the mix, do you believe anything that his camp says?
Let's have that rematch ASAP, or as soon as Kings doctors will allow it. Lol.
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If the bell didn't save him at the end of the 2nd he would have probably ended the fight unconcious.
Looks like Wilder kept punching after the bell to me....
I think Wilder even punched him on the deck after getting rugby tackled.
His team are obviously just making excuses. It's par for the course with virtually any beaten fighter
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If the bell didn't save him at the end of the 2nd he would have probably ended the fight unconcious.
Looks like Wilder kept punching after the bell to me....
I think Wilder even punched him on the deck after getting rugby tackled.
His team are obviously just making excuses. It's par for the course with virtually any beaten fighter
Yeah he gave him a dig on the floor.
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Well... it wasn't a total blow out. And if he is explained to be dehydrated, then it was what it was.
When Briggs lost to Wilson- it only could have been a medical condition, as he was suffering from asthma. Some things just happen.
But when Lamon Brewster blew Wlad out of the water, everyone started to cry like little school girls that he was dehydrated and had grease/Vaseline slathered all over him so that was the reason why he gassed and that was why he deserved an excuse.
lololol.....
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Excuses.
Stivernes trainer booked a flight that night to do an mma match he was so sure.
Now we claim an experienced fighter and trainer were woefully unprepared...
That young boy took a VETERAN into deep waters...not the other way around.
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ykdadamaja
Well Stiverne did stop moving at about the 6th. I think he shook those rights he took in the 2nd and the 4th. He never had movement. And when he tried to move, he did so for short stints and then looked gassed.
Wasn't that the round Wilder was supposed to become stationary too?Stiverne was forced out of his comfort zone and couldn't handle the pace.
Frustration, piston like jabs exploding on his face, and thudding right hands have a way of slowing everyone down, especially after six rounds.
He was too pooped to have any pop on his punches.
He was dehydrated? He should have been, he spent 36 minutes following Wilder around the ring, throwing hard punches, that a lot of you say never landed.
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ykdadamaja
Well Stiverne did stop moving at about the 6th. I think he shook those rights he took in the 2nd and the 4th. He never had movement. And when he tried to move, he did so for short stints and then looked gassed.
Wasn't that the round Wilder was supposed to become stationary too?Stiverne was forced out of his comfort zone and couldn't handle the pace.
Frustration, piston like jabs exploding on his face, and thudding right hands have a way of slowing everyone down, especially after six rounds.
He was too pooped to have any pop on his punches.
He was dehydrated? He should have been, he spent 36 minutes following Wilder around the ring, throwing hard punches, that a lot of you say never landed.
Agreed.
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Stiverne fought a ballsy fight IMO, came forward on the puncher and took a lot of big punches, he just couldn't get the job done.
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Stiverne fought a ballsy fight IMO, came forward on the puncher and took a lot of big punches, he just couldn't get the job done.
Hey, I'm not saying a thing against Stiverne, like you said he was in there doing what he could. He didn't really even make an excuse, except for saying he couldn't do what he wanted, which was obvious.
They might actually find out Stiverne does have a medical problem, but I doubt it.
My knee jerk reaction when Don King is involved is that someone is lying like a rug. He's like a cancer on the face of boxing that should be removed. If you can't trust someone, he's not worth keeping around, in my simplified world.
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Anybody can become dehydrated if they shit themselves excessively and on the night Stiverne seemingly did a lot of that. I hope he recovers and I am sure he will manage to fight again sometime in the next couple of years under the fine guidance of Don King.
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Explains everything, there should be an immediate rematch. Stiverne was exhausted at the ends of both rounds 1 and 2, in fact every time he let his hands go it looked like he desperately needed a nice glass of water. Larry Holmes even texted Don King about it, what else do you need?
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I'm getting real skeptical now. Does anyone believe his team was not monitoring his fluid intake.
I guess Stiverne was in the gym by himself most of the time, "Hey Bermey, if you have any questions we'll be across the street, having a cup of coffee. Don't worry about locking the place up, I already asked one of your sparring partners to do that. Oh yeah, drink some water."
Stiverne is preparing for an important fight and nobody is asking, "How are you feeling, Champ?" ten times a day?
He's been preparing for fights for years and years and he doesn't know his own body enough to say, "Something is wrong, I don't feel right." with enough conviction to get their attention?
I guess it could happen.
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I'm getting real skeptical now. Does anyone believe his team was not monitoring his fluid intake.
I guess Stiverne was in the gym by himself most of the time, "Hey Bermey, if you have any questions we'll be across the street, having a cup of coffee. Don't worry about locking the place up, I already asked one of your sparring partners to do that. Oh yeah, drink some water."
Stiverne is preparing for an important fight and nobody is asking, "How are you feeling, Champ?" ten times a day?
He's been preparing for fights for years and years and he doesn't know his own body enough to say, "Something is wrong, I don't feel right." with enough conviction to get their attention?
I guess it could happen.
To be fair just to look at him and the amount of excess weight he carries, how good are his trainers, or does he even listen?
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ruthless rocco
I'm getting real skeptical now. Does anyone believe his team was not monitoring his fluid intake.
I guess Stiverne was in the gym by himself most of the time, "Hey Bermey, if you have any questions we'll be across the street, having a cup of coffee. Don't worry about locking the place up, I already asked one of your sparring partners to do that. Oh yeah, drink some water."
Stiverne is preparing for an important fight and nobody is asking, "How are you feeling, Champ?" ten times a day?
He's been preparing for fights for years and years and he doesn't know his own body enough to say, "Something is wrong, I don't feel right." with enough conviction to get their attention?
I guess it could happen.
To be fair just to look at him and
the amount of excess weight he carries, how good are his trainers, or does he even listen?
Does he have the same trainers as this guy ?
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This occurrence has raised some red flags for me. I am not one to typically buy into a fighter's excuses for a loss, but in this case I think it could play a bigger factor. Stiverne has said he wasn't hurt at all and I don't buy that he got wobbled a bit and should have had a knockdown counted against him as well, HOWEVER, if he was that dehydrated it could have really sapped his power, stamina, etc.
Has Bermane said why he was dehydrated? The Flu? Norovirus? If he suffered through either of those then I'd say Wilder is very lucky indeed.
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Whether it's true or not, it doesn't matter. High level sports aren't all about skill and what you "can" do, preparation is obviously key. If Bermane wasn't consuming enough fluids and/or was overtraining his body, that comes down on him and his team. Stiverne's gone the full 12, 10, 8 rounds before with no issue. Deontay had never been past 4. How come Deontay could prepare himself adequately but Stiverne couldn't?
Not interested in hearing excuses. History remembers the winners.
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Is this real life?
No
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beenKOed
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ruthless rocco
I'm getting real skeptical now. Does anyone believe his team was not monitoring his fluid intake.
I guess Stiverne was in the gym by himself most of the time, "Hey Bermey, if you have any questions we'll be across the street, having a cup of coffee. Don't worry about locking the place up, I already asked one of your sparring partners to do that. Oh yeah, drink some water."
Stiverne is preparing for an important fight and nobody is asking, "How are you feeling, Champ?" ten times a day?
He's been preparing for fights for years and years and he doesn't know his own body enough to say, "Something is wrong, I don't feel right." with enough conviction to get their attention?
I guess it could happen.
To be fair just to look at him and
the amount of excess weight he carries, how good are his trainers, or does he even listen?
Does he have the same trainers as this guy ?
Oh Al, you are fixated on this man. Man crush much?
There is a massive difference. Stiverne was supposed to be the heavyweight champion defending his title. He should have been well prepared and in shape.
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One man dehydrated the other man injured his hand both have been confirmed- the young guy handled his adversity, the champ didn't.
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Dark Lord Al
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ross
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beenKOed
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ruthless rocco
I'm getting real skeptical now. Does anyone believe his team was not monitoring his fluid intake.
I guess Stiverne was in the gym by himself most of the time, "Hey Bermey, if you have any questions we'll be across the street, having a cup of coffee. Don't worry about locking the place up, I already asked one of your sparring partners to do that. Oh yeah, drink some water."
Stiverne is preparing for an important fight and nobody is asking, "How are you feeling, Champ?" ten times a day?
He's been preparing for fights for years and years and he doesn't know his own body enough to say, "Something is wrong, I don't feel right." with enough conviction to get their attention?
I guess it could happen.
To be fair just to look at him and
the amount of excess weight he carries, how good are his trainers, or does he even listen?
Does he have the same trainers as this guy ?
Oh Al, you are fixated on this man. Man crush much?
There is a massive difference. Stiverne was supposed to be the heavyweight champion defending his title. He should have been well prepared and in shape.
I'm questioning your logic nothing else , you have one rule for others then your hero fury is exempt from the same criticism.
So you could say fury doesn't listen to his trainers also as he is a fat fuck also ? I was asking a question as you always have double standards.
Everybody knows here that you get a semi on when you talk about fury ! I'm asking why Stiverne was a disgrace for being fat but it's ok for fury?
My issue is with your double standards not about a fat glass jawed wannabe.
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It's probably really dehydrating to go 10 rounds after you've already had the living shit knocked out of your brain also. Stivernes best two rounds were the 11th and 12th, and he's ALWAYS had a terrible output. Wilder was by far the best puncher and fighter he'd ever been in against, nothing seems to be made out of the fact that it was a big step up for him as well. The idea of this as damage control for the guy is laughable.
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One man dehydrated the other man injured his hand both have been confirmed- the young guy handled his adversity, the champ didn't.
Fighting with one hand is a little different than fighting with no energy or body control. I have seen guys win fights and score knockouts with one hand.
Same could be said: We saw Wilder KO Scott with a left hook. So, why couldn't he stop a weakened Stiverne with half of a right hand or with one good left hook??
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I don't think people realize how serious Rhabdomyolysis is. People back in the day of less sophistication would have called it "over training". But it is a diagnosed medical condition.
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ykdadamaja
I don't think people realize how serious Rhabdomyolysis is. People back in the day of less sophistication would have called it "over training". But it is a diagnosed medical condition.
Yeah but it's not something you catch or happens for no reason, it's caused by the wrong doing of the guy who's afflicted, in this case overtraining and not consuming enough fluids. He never caught the flu, or got in a car crash, or something else beyond his control. Him and his team trained stupidly.
So whether it's true or not, either way it comes back on him and his team. Adequate preparation is just as big a part of the sport as the actual performance.
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ykdadamaja
I don't think people realize how serious Rhabdomyolysis is. People back in the day of less sophistication would have called it "over training". But it is a diagnosed medical condition.
Yeah but it's not something you catch or happens for no reason, it's caused by the wrong doing of the guy who's afflicted, in this case overtraining and not consuming enough fluids. He never caught the flu, or got in a car crash, or something else beyond his control. Him and his team trained stupidly.
So whether it's true or not, either way it comes back on him and his team. Adequate preparation is just as big a part of the sport as the actual performance.
Preparation is more important, you can have the edge in every category but if you don't train or train stupidly, failure and damnation is your reward.
One of the 10 commandments of boxing!
In my opinion! Lol
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I don't know how much to make of this... How hard is it to keep a heavyweights hydration levels up? It's not like he was having to dehydrate to make weight, how could his team fuck up so bad?
As for his other diagnosis... Wouldn't be surprised if it's just King orchestrated bullshit to try and press for a rematch, we may never know I guess.
Rhabdo is complex, there's no way to pinpoint if he started the fight with it or developed during the fight from being under conditioned.
Either it's King spun bullshit or his team are incompetent amateurs, neither makes it a valid excuse.
