Will we ever see White or Christian/Catholic suicide bombers/Extremist in the future?

Was chatting about this with some mates the other night and there was a TV show where a group of extremists turned the tables on the Muslim community and started suicide bombing nightclubs etc that were frequented by Muslims in revenge attacks.

If for instance someone or even one of you lot lost a totally innocent family member in a terrorist attack carried out by Extremists could you do it?

Anyone reckon things could ever get that way where people were blowing up Muslims by way of suicide bombings?

Can someone move this to "Off Topic" thanks ;D

@Andre @Fenster @Memphis

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Plenty of Catholic and Christian terrorists in the past so it could happen. Would have to be a very particular set of circumstances though.

If one of my family was killed by a terrorist I would like to kill said terrorist/that terrorist's group but it would not make me any more likely to kill random innocent people. There isn't really much logic to doing that??

I think we'll see more environmentalists turn to terrorism...maybe 1 or 2 lone nutjobs who are super religious will bomb an abortion clinic or something, but nothing on the same level as the Muslims

I doubt it.

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Plenty of Catholic and Christian terrorists in the past so it could happen. Would have to be a very particular set of circumstances though.

If one of my family was killed by a terrorist I would like to kill said terrorist/that terrorist's group but it would not make me any more likely to kill random innocent people. There isn't really much logic to doing that??

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That the trouble with bombs, they randomly kill innocent people I wonder what the Muslim community
would have to say, if a Christina suicide bomber walked into a mosque and blew it up full of people
praying something to think about, it could happen you never no.

No there won't be. There could have been if they had bombs in the middle ages. You see, those suicide bombers are people with the minds of middle ages, I mean hundreds of years back, living in modern times with modern weapons. Just give 'em some nuke and believe me we're all done.

Other than a lone nutter or two for an explicitly Christian terrorist group to emerge you'd have to have a situation where a group of Christians were being violently repressed by the state. So unlikely.

If there were bombs back in the day of the 30 years war, then it probably would have been called the 30 days war. No bombs, so they killed each other the old fashioned way.

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I think we'll see more environmentalists turn to terrorism...maybe 1 or 2 lone nutjobs who are super religious will bomb an abortion clinic or something, but nothing on the same level as the Muslims

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Anders Bering Breivik.

Don't forget nut jobs like this one, just because we are fixated on Muslims at the moment.

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I think we'll see more environmentalists turn to terrorism...maybe 1 or 2 lone nutjobs who are super religious will bomb an abortion clinic or something, but nothing on the same level as the Muslims

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Anders Bering Breivik.

Don't forget nut jobs like this one, just because we are fixated on Muslims at the moment.

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Yes and again, 1 person, 1 attack....where are HIS followers, where are the people of a like mind, have they attacked recently?

Meanwhile... ‘Blasphemous’ artwork removed from Paris exhibition - Telegraph

that happens which is great, it means that Muslims are above reproach. There can be "art" such as an American flag placed in a toilet and a Crucifix placed in a vat of urine.....but shoes on a prayer rug??? Or ancient statues of Buddha in Afghanistan??? Nah, can't have those NOOOOO sir

I couldnt that suicide shit is dumb,unless you are terminally ill and on your way out anyway,I suppose some pedophile groups could do with a fiery seeing off. I could go rouge though ,surprises me more victims of crime dont choose the vigilante route specially when dudes who have killed your own get to walk around,that would be it.

Maybe not suicide bombers, but we have the death machine equivalent in drones and illegal invasion.

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Not in the name of Christianity or Catholicism.

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I think we'll see more environmentalists turn to terrorism...maybe 1 or 2 lone nutjobs who are super religious will bomb an abortion clinic or something, but nothing on the same level as the Muslims

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Thing is, all people should be environmentalists when you take a look at whats happening to this planet. I suspect many Wall street parasites would even turn radical if the extinction of this species is fast tracked.

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Maybe not suicide bombers, but we have the death machine equivalent in drones and illegal invasion.

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Not in the name of Christianity or Catholicism.

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It only seems to be terrorism when it’s against us and done by those that don’t have jets.

We should first define the term but definitions can also be designed, misused or circular leading nowhere but back to word attempting to be defined and really void of a definition.

I’m not sure it matters that we name “Christianity” before we drop the bombs. To those receiving the payload its part of Christianity. For those who see us sleeping with Israel, its Christianity.

Terrorism= the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

We don’t needs to strap bombs to ourselves. We’re in charge.

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Thing is, all people should be environmentalists when you take a look at whats happening to this planet. I suspect many Wall street parasites would even turn radical if the extinction of this species is fast tracked.

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The problem is that people who are hunters, fishermen, campers, basically anyone who enjoys the outdoors are constantly harassed and vilified by these crunchy vegan hippy dippy "environmentalists" while the hunters, fishermen, campers, etc do MORE to help the environment than those worthless little college know it all hippies ever DREAMED of doing!

And I'm sorry, but FUCK the grassroots environmentalists all the way up to the tippy top of the iceberg in Al Gore and his wealthy hypocrites flying their private jets around all willy nilly while telling the rest of the world how much toilet paper to use. Fuck Al Gore, fuck his agenda, and fuck those who are on about "man made" global warming. It's a SCAM on a global scale that will result in mass starvation, famine, I'm talking the death of MILLIONS of people here if the strictest policies are enacted. See Mao's Great Leap Forward or Stalin's The Holomodor...the wealthy will flourish no doubt, Al Gore will remain fat and happy as children starve in droves all around the world and nothing will be said about that.....but try to hunt for your own food, try to have some fucking hands on action with where your food comes from and you are the devil incarnate to these nutjobs!

Al Gore is a hypocrite, PETA is a group of hypocrites, the entirety of the "environmentalist movement" is just a bunch of hypocrites. The hunters I know care about the animals they hunt because without healthy populations of those animals A) They wouldn't be able to hunt, B ) they'd miss out on other varieties of nature, and C) food will be taken off their plates. Hunters are the BEST stewards for the environment and I for one am sick to death of the hate they get (although I do understand you're probably meaning to address more commercial, real estate, agribusiness, factory farms, over fishing issues...but the hunters get way too much grief).



As for terrorism being "only against us" and "by people who don't have jets" that's a cop out #1 The West is not a religious group it is a group of geopolitical nation states which are home to people of many beliefs and many faiths. Israel is a nation state home to people of different beliefs and faiths, albeit it is predominantly a Jewish state, the only one in existence. #2 The Islamic State is one of many Muslim nations, it is a Theocracy, and they have the same weapons Iraq and Syria have because they've stolen/acquired them. I don't feel bad for any single person in ISIS or Al Qaeda who chooses to fight, they've made their decision and they are evil people. What we wage is WAR, we have soldiers IN UNIFORM as per the Geneva Convention (ISIS/Al Qaeda do not, and thereby their fighters are not governed by the Geneva Convention...like they respect that anyway, it is a law that is not Sharia and so it does not apply to them, they do not recognize it)...ISIS/Al Qaeda are not interested in a true war, they wish to run sorties like the Vietcong. They wish to attack then hide among the populace and threaten those very people whose lives they endanger if they were to help the Coalition Forces. I hope we send all of those fighting against us to hell to be quite honest, they do not deserve our courtesies

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Thing is, all people should be environmentalists when you take a look at whats happening to this planet. I suspect many Wall street parasites would even turn radical if the extinction of this species is fast tracked.

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The problem is that people who are hunters, fishermen, campers, basically anyone who enjoys the outdoors are constantly harassed and vilified by these crunchy vegan hippy dippy "environmentalists" while the hunters, fishermen, campers, etc do MORE to help the environment than those worthless little college know it all hippies ever DREAMED of doing!

And I'm sorry, but FUCK the grassroots environmentalists all the way up to the tippy top of the iceberg in Al Gore and his wealthy hypocrites flying their private jets around all willy nilly while telling the rest of the world how much toilet paper to use. Fuck Al Gore, fuck his agenda, and fuck those who are on about "man made" global warming. It's a SCAM on a global scale that will result in mass starvation, famine, I'm talking the death of MILLIONS of people here if the strictest policies are enacted. See Mao's Great Leap Forward or Stalin's The Holomodor...the wealthy will flourish no doubt, Al Gore will remain fat and happy as children starve in droves all around the world and nothing will be said about that.....but try to hunt for your own food, try to have some fucking hands on action with where your food comes from and you are the devil incarnate to these nutjobs!

Al Gore is a hypocrite, PETA is a group of hypocrites, the entirety of the "environmentalist movement" is just a bunch of hypocrites. The hunters I know care about the animals they hunt because without healthy populations of those animals A) They wouldn't be able to hunt, B ) they'd miss out on other varieties of nature, and C) food will be taken off their plates. Hunters are the BEST stewards for the environment and I for one am sick to death of the hate they get (although I do understand you're probably meaning to address more commercial, real estate, agribusiness, factory farms, over fishing issues...but the hunters get way too much grief).



As for terrorism being "only against us" and "by people who don't have jets" that's a cop out #1 The West is not a religious group it is a group of geopolitical nation states which are home to people of many beliefs and many faiths. Israel is a nation state home to people of different beliefs and faiths, albeit it is predominantly a Jewish state, the only one in existence. #2 The Islamic State is one of many Muslim nations, it is a Theocracy, and they have the same weapons Iraq and Syria have because they've stolen/acquired them. I don't feel bad for any single person in ISIS or Al Qaeda who chooses to fight, they've made their decision and they are evil people. What we wage is WAR, we have soldiers IN UNIFORM as per the Geneva Convention (ISIS/Al Qaeda do not, and thereby their fighters are not governed by the Geneva Convention...like they respect that anyway, it is a law that is not Sharia and so it does not apply to them, they do not recognize it)...ISIS/Al Qaeda are not interested in a true war, they wish to run sorties like the Vietcong. They wish to attack then hide among the populace and threaten those very people whose lives they endanger if they were to help the Coalition Forces. I hope we send all of those fighting against us to hell to be quite honest, they do not deserve our courtesies

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I think thats true but not so much here. Its the environmentalists that are vilified by those you mentioned. I'm just saying that there will come a time given out present course as a "species" that some form of radical action will be taken and consistently. Its inevitable.

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Thing is, all people should be environmentalists when you take a look at whats happening to this planet. I suspect many Wall street parasites would even turn radical if the extinction of this species is fast tracked.

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The problem is that people who are hunters, fishermen, campers, basically anyone who enjoys the outdoors are constantly harassed and vilified by these crunchy vegan hippy dippy "environmentalists" while the hunters, fishermen, campers, etc do MORE to help the environment than those worthless little college know it all hippies ever DREAMED of doing!

And I'm sorry, but FUCK the grassroots environmentalists all the way up to the tippy top of the iceberg in Al Gore and his wealthy hypocrites flying their private jets around all willy nilly while telling the rest of the world how much toilet paper to use. Fuck Al Gore, fuck his agenda, and fuck those who are on about "man made" global warming. It's a SCAM on a global scale that will result in mass starvation, famine, I'm talking the death of MILLIONS of people here if the strictest policies are enacted. See Mao's Great Leap Forward or Stalin's The Holomodor...the wealthy will flourish no doubt, Al Gore will remain fat and happy as children starve in droves all around the world and nothing will be said about that.....but try to hunt for your own food, try to have some fucking hands on action with where your food comes from and you are the devil incarnate to these nutjobs!

Al Gore is a hypocrite, PETA is a group of hypocrites, the entirety of the "environmentalist movement" is just a bunch of hypocrites. The hunters I know care about the animals they hunt because without healthy populations of those animals A) They wouldn't be able to hunt, B ) they'd miss out on other varieties of nature, and C) food will be taken off their plates. Hunters are the BEST stewards for the environment and I for one am sick to death of the hate they get (although I do understand you're probably meaning to address more commercial, real estate, agribusiness, factory farms, over fishing issues...but the hunters get way too much grief).



As for terrorism being "only against us" and "by people who don't have jets" that's a cop out #1 The West is not a religious group it is a group of geopolitical nation states which are home to people of many beliefs and many faiths. Israel is a nation state home to people of different beliefs and faiths, albeit it is predominantly a Jewish state, the only one in existence. #2 The Islamic State is one of many Muslim nations, it is a Theocracy, and they have the same weapons Iraq and Syria have because they've stolen/acquired them. I don't feel bad for any single person in ISIS or Al Qaeda who chooses to fight, they've made their decision and they are evil people. What we wage is WAR, we have soldiers IN UNIFORM as per the Geneva Convention (ISIS/Al Qaeda do not, and thereby their fighters are not governed by the Geneva Convention...like they respect that anyway, it is a law that is not Sharia and so it does not apply to them, they do not recognize it)...ISIS/Al Qaeda are not interested in a true war, they wish to run sorties like the Vietcong. They wish to attack then hide among the populace and threaten those very people whose lives they endanger if they were to help the Coalition Forces. I hope we send all of those fighting against us to hell to be quite honest, they do not deserve our courtesies

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Nice rational balanced view there ;D There are plenty of hunters who shoot for nothing more than the thrill of killing, and the ego boosting buzz of trophy hunting, and have absolutely no interest in the protection of even endangered species, but it would be ridiculous of me to suggest that anybody who hunted with respect and awareness of their prey and who made sure to use it wisely were the same as those people. State and corporate sponsored pollution is something that committed environmentalists have drawn attention to for many years, whatever you think about global warming, so it's a bit daft to call them ALL a bunch of hypocrites.

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Maybe not suicide bombers, but we have the death machine equivalent in drones and illegal invasion.

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It only seems to be terrorism when it’s against us and done by those that don’t have jets.

We should first define the term but definitions can also be designed, misused or circular leading nowhere but back to word attempting to be defined and really void of a definition.

I’m not sure it matters that we name “Christianity” before we drop the bombs. To those receiving the payload its part of Christianity. For those who see us sleeping with Israel, its Christianity.

Terrorism= the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

We don’t needs to strap bombs to ourselves. We’re in charge.

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But that doesn't really address the question in the thread. The actions of western governments aren't examples of Christian and/or Catholic extremism.
As I said there have been plenty of examples of Christian and Catholic extremism in the past (and still now although not to the violent extremes) but the western governments are not engaging in activities under the banner of Christianity.
For some reason you seem to think that I said that western governments do not engage in acts that could be defined as 'terrorism' but that isn't the question I was addressing.

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Maybe not suicide bombers, but we have the death machine equivalent in drones and illegal invasion.

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Not in the name of Christianity or Catholicism.

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It only seems to be terrorism when it’s against us and done by those that don’t have jets.

We should first define the term but definitions can also be designed, misused or circular leading nowhere but back to word attempting to be defined and really void of a definition.

I’m not sure it matters that we name “Christianity” before we drop the bombs. To those receiving the payload its part of Christianity. For those who see us sleeping with Israel, its Christianity.

Terrorism= the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

We don’t needs to strap bombs to ourselves. We’re in charge.

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Also, with respect, you seem to be painting Islamic extremists as victims somehow and that they exist as a response to the actions of western governments.

That analysis doesn't work when looking at ISIS or Boko Haram for example.
Western foreign policy may have been a cited reason behind prominent Jihadi groups in the past but it can't explain ISIS (who had no interest in the west and were not fighting oppression but simply seeking to impose their will on the people of Syria and Iraq) and it can't explain Boko Haram (who would quite like the west to carry on ignoring their barbarism).

Also, 'it's only terrorism when it's against us' is certainly not a mode of thinking I fall into. Remember that the vast majority of the victims of ISIS or the Taliban are Muslim. Also, the forces on the ground fighting these guys are also Muslim.

I do not see ISIS as predominately a west vs Islam thing. It is an evil group vs other Muslims/anyone in their way/anyone that doesn't agree to their demands thing.

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Nice rational balanced view there ;D There are plenty of hunters who shoot for nothing more than the thrill of killing, and the ego boosting buzz of trophy hunting, and have absolutely no interest in the protection of even endangered species, but it would be ridiculous of me to suggest that anybody who hunted with respect and awareness of their prey and who made sure to use it wisely were the same as those people. State and corporate sponsored pollution is something that committed environmentalists have drawn attention to for many years, whatever you think about global warming, so it's a bit daft to call them ALL a bunch of hypocrites.

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Name some hunters that shoot JUST for thrill and ego, please. Also in hunting as opposed to Environmentalism, the rights of average everyday people aren't trod on, you can drive cars, you can build houses, you can hunt or not hunt, you can buy from small farms or factory farms, it's all your choice. With Environmentalism it's about limiting choice, raising prices, and most importantly it's about limiting access and control be it of food supplies, transportation, what have you. So for Al Gore the A#1 big shot of all things "Anthropogenic Global Warming" to preach this bullshit about how we're running out of time to "save the Earth" :rolleyes: while he's flying from nation to nation on a PRIVATE JET and being driven around in MULTIVEHICLE MOTORCADES it's hypocritical, it's dumb, and frankly it's going to get to the point where it's extremely dangerous as in PEOPLE WILL DIE.....how many people do hunters kill? I know quite a few, they don't kill people....as a matter of fact a lot of my hunter friends donate meat that they have harvested to those who are bad off. And as a point about the health of said meat, venison is 90 some % fat free, it is the leanest of red meats.

But hey, listen to Al Gore, follow the greenies, do what you like...but just as with the Second Amendment you keep your hands off of MY rights, I harm nobody in doing what I do.

The World Economic Forum in Davos this year...they addressed "Anthropogenic Global Warming", do you know how many private jets were there?


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So don't tell me about the average hunter being a hypocrite

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...akes-his-head/

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Nice rational balanced view there ;D There are plenty of hunters who shoot for nothing more than the thrill of killing, and the ego boosting buzz of trophy hunting, and have absolutely no interest in the protection of even endangered species, but it would be ridiculous of me to suggest that anybody who hunted with respect and awareness of their prey and who made sure to use it wisely were the same as those people. State and corporate sponsored pollution is something that committed environmentalists have drawn attention to for many years, whatever you think about global warming, so it's a bit daft to call them ALL a bunch of hypocrites.

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Name some hunters that shoot JUST for thrill and ego, please. Also in hunting as opposed to Environmentalism, the rights of average everyday people aren't trod on, you can drive cars, you can build houses, you can hunt or not hunt, you can buy from small farms or factory farms, it's all your choice. With Environmentalism it's about limiting choice, raising prices, and most importantly it's about limiting access and control be it of food supplies, transportation, what have you. So for Al Gore the A#1 big shot of all things "Anthropogenic Global Warming" to preach this bullshit about how we're running out of time to "save the Earth" :rolleyes: while he's flying from nation to nation on a PRIVATE JET and being driven around in MULTIVEHICLE MOTORCADES it's hypocritical, it's dumb, and frankly it's going to get to the point where it's extremely dangerous as in PEOPLE WILL DIE.....how many people do hunters kill? I know quite a few, they don't kill people....as a matter of fact a lot of my hunter friends donate meat that they have harvested to those who are bad off. And as a point about the health of said meat, venison is 90 some % fat free, it is the leanest of red meats.

But hey, listen to Al Gore, follow the greenies, do what you like...but just as with the Second Amendment you keep your hands off of MY rights, I harm nobody in doing what I do.

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Why the hell would I listen to Al Gore ? The man is an eejit. I eat venison and have shot rabbits myself in the past but that doesn't make me the same as somebody who goes and shoots Rhinos ffs. You seem to live in cloud cuckoo land yourself sometimes Lyle if you really think that you can take extreme examples of a movement and pretend that they define everyone else. If you think that a big company dumping chemicals and waste into the sea or local rivers is not treading on the rights of everyday people then you are sadly misled. When surfers fed up with wading through sewage confront the water company and campaign to change the law then that is environmentalism and that is in the interest of everyone who uses those beaches. Where I live such action is essential, because we rely on tourism. When campaigners draw attention to companies polluting rivers and killing the fish that local people charge others for fishing rights, the same pollutants that kill wildlife people travel down to photograph, then that is environmentalism. That is protesting the rights of current and future generations to enjoy that wildlife. Yes I get Al Gore is a hypocrite and those that have never killed meat to eat and yet eat battery farmed fast food are hypocrites and I understand fully that wild meat is the healthiest and most ethical you can eat, if you choose to, because it lives a natural and free life. I get all that because I live in a rural part of England where it's traditional to fish and shoot game etc. That doesn't make me any less of an environmentally aware person, if anything it makes me more so. So yes I am proud not ashamed to be green. Alternative energy is a viable option for the future and reducing our dependence on oil is a sensible thing even if you don't believe in Global warming. Yes you have rights, but not the right to f*%k the place up for future generations. ;D


I think we may have strayed off subject:-\


The Klu Klux Klan. (Crimes against African american, Catholics and Jews under a supposed Christian theology)
The Order (Mormon nutters who killed Jews -killed Alan Berg)
Army of God (Bible based abortion clinic bombers, attacked gay and lesbian nightclubs, Atlanta olympic bombing)
Lord's resistance Army (Christians in Africa who recruited child soldiers and massacred many)
ETC

So yes we have already seen White Christian terrorists

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Maybe not suicide bombers, but we have the death machine equivalent in drones and illegal invasion.

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Not in the name of Christianity or Catholicism.

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It only seems to be terrorism when it’s against us and done by those that don’t have jets.

We should first define the term but definitions can also be designed, misused or circular leading nowhere but back to word attempting to be defined and really void of a definition.

I’m not sure it matters that we name “Christianity” before we drop the bombs. To those receiving the payload its part of Christianity. For those who see us sleeping with Israel, its Christianity.

Terrorism= the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

We don’t needs to strap bombs to ourselves. We’re in charge.

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Terrorism= the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

Going by that definition we are in charge of the largest systematic use of it but our use is spread out and called warfare/detention, interrogation, vengeance and or justice instead of the poorer version which is more pointed locally and therefore more personal and more emotive.

:vd: Why would you listen to Al Gore? Well because he has been placed on the pedestal by the Democrats and other lefties, he won a Nobel Peace Prize, he won an Academy Award and all for "his work to fight Anthropogenic Global Warming" meanwhile he lives the life of a hypocrite which is why I mention him so frequently regarding this issue, because he's the BEST example of liberal hypocrisy! But by no means is he alone in being a hypocrite on global warming, plenty of the famous actors, musicians, models, they're all about "saving the Earth" but what do they really do about it? Carbon offsets??? Nothing more than a new take on purchasing indulgences from the Catholic Church and where does that money go??? Oh only to a company Al Gore owns....no NOT the "news channel" he sold to oil barons Al Jazeera, nah, this is another company which I am certain is funded with the oil money from Al Jazeera....but I mean there's no need to worry about a conflict of interests or hypocrisy there.


Who the fuck shoots rhinos Beanz? Certainly not the average hunter, poachers more like it and YES poachers are horrible people and they should all be wiped out.

Yeah they should of been honest from the start and called it climate shift or climate change.
They could still charge us for chasing the new extremities all round globe trying to balance them then.
Smart boys for cash, instead called it warming and now tax your emissions because apparently air is still free so they couldnt tax it on that end of you so thought about the other end of you instead and tax that (I know its shit isnt it):mad:.

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Nice rational balanced view there ;D There are plenty of hunters who shoot for nothing more than the thrill of killing, and the ego boosting buzz of trophy hunting, and have absolutely no interest in the protection of even endangered species, but it would be ridiculous of me to suggest that anybody who hunted with respect and awareness of their prey and who made sure to use it wisely were the same as those people. State and corporate sponsored pollution is something that committed environmentalists have drawn attention to for many years, whatever you think about global warming, so it's a bit daft to call them ALL a bunch of hypocrites.

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Name some hunters that shoot JUST for thrill and ego, please. Also in hunting as opposed to Environmentalism, the rights of average everyday people aren't trod on, you can drive cars, you can build houses, you can hunt or not hunt, you can buy from small farms or factory farms, it's all your choice. With Environmentalism it's about limiting choice, raising prices, and most importantly it's about limiting access and control be it of food supplies, transportation, what have you. So for Al Gore the A#1 big shot of all things "Anthropogenic Global Warming" to preach this bullshit about how we're running out of time to "save the Earth" :rolleyes: while he's flying from nation to nation on a PRIVATE JET and being driven around in MULTIVEHICLE MOTORCADES it's hypocritical, it's dumb, and frankly it's going to get to the point where it's extremely dangerous as in PEOPLE WILL DIE.....how many people do hunters kill? I know quite a few, they don't kill people....as a matter of fact a lot of my hunter friends donate meat that they have harvested to those who are bad off. And as a point about the health of said meat, venison is 90 some % fat free, it is the leanest of red meats.

But hey, listen to Al Gore, follow the greenies, do what you like...but just as with the Second Amendment you keep your hands off of MY rights, I harm nobody in doing what I do.

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Why the hell would I listen to Al Gore ? The man is an eejit. I eat venison and have shot rabbits myself in the past but that doesn't make me the same as somebody who goes and shoots Rhinos ffs. You seem to live in cloud cuckoo land yourself sometimes Lyle if you really think that you can take extreme examples of a movement and pretend that they define everyone else. If you think that a big company dumping chemicals and waste into the sea or local rivers is not treading on the rights of everyday people then you are sadly misled. When surfers fed up with wading through sewage confront the water company and campaign to change the law then that is environmentalism and that is in the interest of everyone who uses those beaches. Where I live such action is essential, because we rely on tourism. When campaigners draw attention to companies polluting rivers and killing the fish that local people charge others for fishing rights, the same pollutants that kill wildlife people travel down to photograph, then that is environmentalism. That is protesting the rights of current and future generations to enjoy that wildlife. Yes I get Al Gore is a hypocrite and those that have never killed meat to eat and yet eat battery farmed fast food are hypocrites and I understand fully that wild meat is the healthiest and most ethical you can eat, if you choose to, because it lives a natural and free life. I get all that because I live in a rural part of England where it's traditional to fish and shoot game etc. That doesn't make me any less of an environmentally aware person, if anything it makes me more so. So yes I am proud not ashamed to be green. Alternative energy is a viable option for the future and reducing our dependence on oil is a sensible thing even if you don't believe in Global warming. Yes you have rights, but not the right to f*%k the place up for future generations. ;D


I think we may have strayed off subject:-\


The Klu Klux Klan. (Crimes against African american, Catholics and Jews under a supposed Christian theology)
The Order (Mormon nutters who killed Jews -killed Alan Berg)
Army of God (Bible based abortion clinic bombers, attacked gay and lesbian nightclubs, Atlanta olympic bombing)
Lord's resistance Army (Christians in Africa who recruited child soldiers and massacred many)
ETC

So yes we have already seen White Christian terrorists

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What do you mean explain it? There are a number of causes to climate shifting some natural some by us, one is removing forests that produce oxygen and attract rains and building concrete boxes there instead.

Im not against what you said. Im a realist though we do fuck the planet and it does have its effects there is no denying it.

We allow the Amazon and other ancient forests to be logged its climate changes as the rain forests die off,so the movement of climate has a roll on effect.

You forget we have an ozone depletion hole down here that causes us to have more skin cancers than you get up there.We could blame the ice cracking up down on the south pole for that if you want to,could be plate shift under the ice :-\.

Could be oil removed out under the sea helping the plate shifts faster that cracks the ice that makes the dispersion of co2 that causes the hole,that jack fucking built.:p

Sorry, you were about to tell us about Plate tectonics.;D

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:vd: Why would you listen to Al Gore? Well because he has been placed on the pedestal by the Democrats and other lefties, he won a Nobel Peace Prize, he won an Academy Award and all for "his work to fight Anthropogenic Global Warming" meanwhile he lives the life of a hypocrite which is why I mention him so frequently regarding this issue, because he's the BEST example of liberal hypocrisy! But by no means is he alone in being a hypocrite on global warming, plenty of the famous actors, musicians, models, they're all about "saving the Earth" but what do they really do about it? Carbon offsets??? Nothing more than a new take on purchasing indulgences from the Catholic Church and where does that money go??? Oh only to a company Al Gore owns....no NOT the "news channel" he sold to oil barons Al Jazeera, nah, this is another company which I am certain is funded with the oil money from Al Jazeera....but I mean there's no need to worry about a conflict of interests or hypocrisy there.


Who the fuck shoots rhinos Beanz? Certainly not the average hunter, poachers more like it and YES poachers are horrible people and they should all be wiped out.

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I don't think all poachers should be wiped out. At least not the ones that in their easily led, misspent youth, might have accidentally shot the odd rabbit and other game, on someone else's land, that accidentally fell into their mothers outside larder for hanging, and was accidentally made into a delicious stew. I think a severe reprimand should be enough for them, to go with the, "Gypsy scum", shouts of the games keeper, and the sound of his shotgun still ringing in their ears.:-\;D

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Maybe not suicide bombers, but we have the death machine equivalent in drones and illegal invasion.

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Not in the name of Christianity or Catholicism.

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It only seems to be terrorism when it’s against us and done by those that don’t have jets.

We should first define the term but definitions can also be designed, misused or circular leading nowhere but back to word attempting to be defined and really void of a definition.

I’m not sure it matters that we name “Christianity” before we drop the bombs. To those receiving the payload its part of Christianity. For those who see us sleeping with Israel, its Christianity.

Terrorism= the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

We don’t needs to strap bombs to ourselves. We’re in charge.

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Also, with respect, you seem to be painting Islamic extremists as victims somehow and that they exist as a response to the actions of western governments.

That analysis doesn't work when looking at ISIS or Boko Haram for example.
Western foreign policy may have been a cited reason behind prominent Jihadi groups in the past but it can't explain ISIS (who had no interest in the west and were not fighting oppression but simply seeking to impose their will on the people of Syria and Iraq) and it can't explain Boko Haram (who would quite like the west to carry on ignoring their barbarism).

Also, 'it's only terrorism when it's against us' is certainly not a mode of thinking I fall into. Remember that the vast majority of the victims of ISIS or the Taliban are Muslim. Also, the forces on the ground fighting these guys are also Muslim.

I do not see ISIS as predominately a west vs Islam thing. It is an evil group vs other Muslims/anyone in their way/anyone that doesn't agree to their demands thing.

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That is a pretty broad brush you are using there. I'm going to have to call Godwins law.


I can go pretty far on the intolerance scale when these people do the acts they do but I can also call our side on the shit they do. The demarcation line drawn by western culture seems to be the methods used. A jet or ground invasion by tanks almost seems benign or sterile but a beheading, suicide bomber or gun attack is viewed as something different when philosophically the end result is the same. We also seem to place more value on our lives then we do theirs.

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Yeah they should of been honest from the start and

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...explain that it's no different than plate tectonics which occurs naturally regardless of human activity

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What do you mean explain it? There are a number of causes to climate shifting some natural some by us, one is removing forests that produce oxygen and attract rains and building concrete boxes there instead.

Im not against what you said. Im a realist though we do fuck the planet and it does have its effects there is no denying it.

We allow the Amazon and other ancient forests to be logged its climate changes as the rain forests die off,so the movement of climate has a roll on effect.

You forget we have an ozone depletion hole down here that causes us to have more skin cancers than you get up there.We could blame the ice cracking up down on the south pole for that if you want to,could be plate shift under the ice :-\.

Could be oil removed out under the sea helping the plate shifts faster that cracks the ice that makes the dispersion of co2 that causes the hole,that jack fucking built.:p

Sorry, you were about to tell us about Plate tectonics.;D

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I'll let your countryman explain for me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEPW_P7GVB8

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Mr Bush is a Christian and Mr Blair is a Catholic. I tend to think extremism is about occupation and resistance. Not always, and there are examples you cite, but in most cases it is to do with regimes meddling in places that they are not wanted and in turn people get violent back. The big difference is that one uses a military and one uses whatever is at hand. They are one and the same and both feed off the other in an eternal loop. The one thing we can do is stop occupation. I expect if the UK was ever invaded by a Sharia state you would see an increase in Catholic/Christian/Atheist resistance movements.

Although true, due to his business interests; I wish a different professor had said it and not him.

Ian Plimer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wikipedia:
Plimer is the former non-executive director of CBH Resources Limited from 1998 to 2010, former non-executive director of Angel Mining plc from 2003 to 2005, former director of Kimberley Metals Limited from 2008 to 2009, former director of KBL Mining Limited from 2008 to 2009 and former director of Ormil Energy Limited from 2010 to 2011.[3][16]

He is currently the non-executive deputy chairman of KEFI Minerals Plc since 2006,[17] independent non-executive director of Ivanhoe Australia Limited since 2007,[18] chairman of TNT Mines Limited since 2010,[11][19] non-executive director of Niuminco Group Limited (formerly DSF International Holdings Limited) since 2011,[20][21] and non-executive director of Silver City Minerals Limited since 2011.[3][16][22][23][24] Plimer was appointed director of Roy Hill Holdings and Queensland Coal Investments in 2012.[25]

Would it help if the very dude Al Gore idolized apologized for unleashing that fat stooge on the world? Because Roger Revelle did just that. He was the first guy to question the release of CO2 into the atmosphere and shortly after that Global Warming/Cooling/Climate Change became much more political than factual. Revelle saw Gore as a false prophet of what he considered bad science....Gore brushed off criticism from his idol as the rumblings of a senile old man.

John Coleman the founder of The Weather Channel also said there's no anthropogenic global warming and he hasn't been bought off by big oil.


Why is it that Al Gore who is selling books and movies and has a business which will profit greatly from people believing in Anthropogenic Global Warming doesn't have HIS motives questioned? Big oil is the issue? Coal? Natural gas? Might I remind you that most of if not all of the greenies out there wanting to limit Anthropogenic Global Warming are also anti-Nuclear energy....nuclear energy being the cleanest most efficient energy available to man.

Forget Climategate: this 'global warming' scandal is much bigger - Breitbart

Pavlo Lapshyn, a postgraduate student from Ukraine was convicted of terrorist-related murder of Birmingham pensioner Mohammed Saleem. He also planted some bombs at various mosques around the area. He could have killed innocent bystanders.

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/image...3_70609151.jpg

BBC News - Mosque bomber Pavlo Lapshyn given life for murder

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Pavlo Lapshyn, a postgraduate student from Ukraine was convicted of terrorist-related murder of Birmingham pensioner Mohammed Saleem. He also planted some bombs at various mosques around the area. He could have killed innocent bystanders.

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/image...3_70609151.jpg

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Seems to fall more under the Neo-Nazi/White Supremacist heading....not so much Christian or Catholic.

Isis 'throw man off a building for homosexual affair' and beat him to death when he survives - Middle East - World - The Independent


Well that's lovely....fuck sakes

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