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What do we think of this then?
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eUx9sDcl2Cw
What do we think of this then?
Mihai Nistor is a beast its a shame he has not turned pro.
Like a poisonous mongoose vs. an ox.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Big shots and definitely hurt, but that's the amateur game. Get caught with a couple of shots and they'll stop it.
Who knows, it's an amateur fight and I don't think he showed a bad chin there or anything. Was definitely rocked before each count but they were good left hooks, and that would never be a stoppage in the pros. Plus, for a big man with his frame 22 can still be very young in physical terms, Lennox Lewis fought like a newborn Giraffe at that age, hard to tell.
I do not read much into amateur results.
Mike Tyson is a fine example, Tillman beat him multiple times in the amateurs yet he was destroyed by Mike in the pros.
Tam I would not put much stead, on that fight Joshua is a different fighter now to then mate,
I would fancy Joshua to KO Nistor, in a proper maner this moment in time.
A lot of amateurs don't deal well with pressure. Thing that stood out to me was that Joshua was not using his Jab aggressively as part of his offense and defense. Nistor made it his fight and the kid tried to bang with him here or there just to get some breathing room rather that using his distance, ring generalship and clinching to slow down the pace of the fight. I haven't followed Joshua after that but if hes made his jab a better part of his arsenal and polished his footwork and learned to clinch. He should be fine. Just the trial by fire of a fighter. Its better that it happened to him early, rather than him being spoonfed in a gym till he's 23 and then getting thrown to the wolves and becoming a professional opponent.
Joshua started really late and his progress has been far better than even his most optimistic of coaches could have predicted. He has met every challenge so far. Will he be able to carry on that upward trajectory and translate that into international success? Who knows, still early days.
That was interesting.
Joshua is a vastly improved and more powerful boxer since then. He was quite tentative and went straight onto the back foot, allowing his shorter opponent to control the distance in the fight.
Mind you, I'd love to see what would happen if today's Joshua fought someone that aggressive, and what he would be like when he isn't marching forward dictating the fight
he looked scrappy, wasnt that long ago was it
i reckon he was winning tho pretty well
the stoppage wasnt a professional stoppage, he got hit and looked a bit ruffled
First time I've seen this Nistor guy and I'm impressed. He for sure has potential. It would be interesting to see what a top trainer could do with him. He's got lil bit of the Tyson style in him. He would need to get in shape though, carrying a bit of blubber. But he has potential for sure. As for the stoppage, amateur refs stops fights earlier than most UK pro refs (And that's saying something) I don't think Joshua was really badly hurt or anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
I dont dismiss amateur results like some are doing, pretty much every great pro fighter of the last 20 years had a stellar amateur career (Mayweather, De La Hoya, Holyfield, Lewis, Bowe, Ward, Khan, Roy Jones, Ward, Whittaker, Klistchko...even the likes Wilder won a Bronze)
Don't get me wrong. Yes Tyson was beaten by Tillman in the amateurs as was Bowe was beaten by Jorge Luis Gonalez and both went on to destroy them in the pros.
But I don't run with that "O that's just the amateurs, it means nothing" argument...well if that's case then why are so many promoters so quick and eager to sign up fighters who have done well at the Olympics ?
Its not stopped too early.
Well, not as in the ref decided he'd had enough.
The rule is if you are visibly hurt (which Joshua was) you have to take a standing count. If you take two standing counts in a single round you are stopped. Like getting two yellow cards in a football match. The idea is, you don't get hurt.
Quite surprised at some of the replies here about it being early. Everyone loves to be an expert but don't know a basic rule. We all watch the olympics right? Thats amateur.
I swear two standing counts in a round was the rule that you got stopped on but cannot find it in the new rules!! Its now 3 standing counts in a round.
He looked very tentative. For a person like me just watching him for the first time- I'd say he should look to another career.Quote:
Originally Posted by X
As others said here- His jab needs work, he didnt have pop to his shots. His clinching was ineffective.
@ Vendetto- With Tyson I think it was a style thing. The amatuer fights I have of Tyson, he was a beast then, but he was just more suited for the pros.
AJ took some bombs there. He has learnt and got better.
As far as I know, it's always been 3?
Blimey....thank funk you wasn't that young fellas advisor/mentor. A year after that loss, the young man went on to win Gold at the Olympics and is currently considered one of the brightest prospects in world boxing - 10-0 (10 KO's)Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
Glad to hear he has progressed. Thank Rockabilly, not the Funk.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterBlimey....thank funk you wasn't that young fellas advisor/mentor. A year after that loss, the young man went on to win Gold at the Olympics and is currently considered one of the brightest prospects in world boxing - 10-0 (10 KO's)Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
This isn't a huge deal...I mean losing in the amateurs CAN be telling, but it can also be kind of pointless. Tyson got beat by Tillman as was noted before and Miguel Cotto was beaten by Abdullaev, both those losses were avenged in one sided fights, but every so often there's an amateur fight where it shows a flaw in a fighter's strategy or style. For example, Shane Mosley vs Vernon Forest. Forest beat him in the amateurs and owned him as a pro....sometimes that is the case but hell look at David Haye who lost to Odlanier Solis in the amateurs, now I HATE David Haye, but would anyone consider him an underdog vs Solis as a pro? I know I wouldn't!
I think Anthony Joshua has a very bright future ahead of him especially if he can quit being so stiff and loosen up a bit...I think his first loss will either come from him being outboxed because he's too stiff and loading up on punches or he'll just tire out from keeping himself that stiff. When you're always tight, and loading up like an Earnie Shavers or Gerry Cooney, or Frank Bruno, your punches get slower and you tire out faster because you're never resting between punches.
Well said- as for me - Watching one fight I admit/submit isn't enough to qualify/disqualify a fighter from progressing. But sometimes it is a tell-tale sign if they get starched. He got stopped on his feet, so he wasn't starched.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
He also finished the Dillian Whyte fight on his feet after being clumped and dropped hard when he was hanging out of his arshole. Another one that gets chucked about like Joshua got sparked out.
You take from these clips what you will, it depends on your obligation. Just to pick up on what Lyle said, Joshua for me is a far more fluid fighter than Bruno but he did go a bit Frank after that second bomb, a bit rabbit in the headlights. Like Frank he is enormously muscled so the stamina question remains.
What we do know is that Anthony Joshua can be hurt when he's chinned by a big lump of a bloke, hardly a revelation is it.
It's not that Joshua is musclebound that would worry me about his stamina, it's that he fights with his shoulders and back kind of tense as he wants to land with power on every single one of his punches. And that is what reminds me of Bruno about him, that tension eats up energy and will sap you real quick if you're in there with a guy who is pouring on the pressure. Anthony Joshua needs to loosen up and relax and also learn to tie up. I think his talent is much better than Tyson Fury.