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Over the past 25 years or so, there have been many fighters winning titles multiple times (4-time welterweight champ, 6-time featherweight/jr lightweight champ......)
I've always felt the that Ali's 3-time title feat trumped any other fighter, including Henry Armstrong.
Very Wrong,Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleepwalker
First, look at who Muhammad Ai lost to. Leon Spinks, a 7-Bout Professional who actually
got an undeserved Draw in a previous bout {with Scott LeDoux}, and barely scraped by
Italian - Alfio Righetti.
Second, Muhammad Ali avoided fighting Ken Norton {who actually deserved the next bout}.
Third, Muhammad Ali had agreed to defend his Championship against Larry Holmes in
December 1977, and pulled out, claiming that he was too battered by Earnie Shavers
in September 1977.
We all know, that Larry would have wiped the floor with Muhammad.
So, did Muhammad Ali give himself a gift when he lost to Leon Spinks ................. YES.
Henry Armstrong's feat is the best and can never happen again
Foreman winning heavyweight championship at 45 comes to mind.
Muhammad Ali
'Patty-Caked' his way to defeating an 'un-focused' and mentally confused Leon Spinks, who
had '3' different cornermen giving him instructions during the rematch.
Muhammad Ali didn't really fight > he slapped, held and ran his way to a victory.
Well he did amazing well from doing that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Paxtom
If it was that easy why don't other fighters try it?
Sad Ali was not allowed to fight 67-70. I can only speculate how impressive he would have been.
The rematch 'Sucked'.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterWell he did amazing well from doing that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Paxtom
If it was that easy why don't other fighters try it?
Heavyweights are supposed to fight and punch, not play 'slappy-slappy' like the Three Stooges.
Ever see clay ~slappy-ducky-sucky-slap~ against Earnie Shavers? Ernie just blocked all 14 slaps, smiled, shrugged his shoulders AND CAME 'BACK' throwing dynamite.
I'm inclined to agree with Bill here:-X Ali upsetting Foreman was obviously special and the most significant case of a HW reclaiming the title, but the Spinks fights were in fact rubbish. Ali was almost completely shot and fighting a novice, those fights really shouldn't count for much. I'd even say Holyfield is a more legitimate 3 time world champion for beating John Ruiz, lol.
In the rematch,
Muhammad Ali won, but really lost.
He showed the World he was really shot.
And poor Leon, was exposed as a fighter in need of much improvement.
Yes after 20 years of boxing he was shot. How could that be?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Paxtom
Fighters do do it but get criticized for stinking the place out. Its where the golden oldies blind viewpoints come inQuote:
Originally Posted by MasterWell he did amazing well from doing that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Paxtom
If it was that easy why don't other fighters try it?
Ali's feat in no way compares to Armstrong's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleepwalker
Armstrong's was truly unprecedented & probably never be matched, whereas Ali should never have lost to Spinks.
"Excellent, Accurate and Well-Stated"Quote:
Originally Posted by Syntax ErrorAli's feat in no way compares to Armstrong's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleepwalker
Armstrong's was truly unprecedented & probably never be matched, whereas Ali should never have lost to Spinks.
People degrade Floyd for the exact same reasons,he still makes the best opposition available look wanting in the process.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterWell he did amazing well from doing that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Paxtom
If it was that easy why don't other fighters try it?
I much prefer watching Shavers 'throw' everything at Quarry only to get flattened within ~less~ than a round.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Hardest 'puncher' in ~history~ was seemingly like 'water' off a duck's back for Quarry.
(Strangely he was stopped by Chuvalo, Frazier, Norton and 'patty cake' Ali, Shavers was a force... :rolleyes:)
Do 'not' disrespect The Black ~Destroyer~Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBI much prefer watching Shavers 'throw' everything at Quarry only to get flattened within ~less~ than a round.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Hardest 'puncher' in ~history~ was seemingly like 'water' off a duck's back for Quarry.
(Strangely he was stopped by Chuvalo, Frazier, Norton and 'patty cake' Ali, Shavers was a force... :rolleyes:)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleepwalker
Yeah, hey listen..... we all here tend to defend Ali against the likes of Billy Paxtom, who harbors a deep hatred of Ali and makes up stories of how Ali was really just a regular fighter. But let's keep it real. Ali's first two titles were hugely impressive. But losing to Leon Spinks had to be downright embarrassing. So winning the title back from Spinks, albeit in very unconvincing fashion, was pretty much meaningless, if not adding even more embarrassment (for not taking the toothless one out).
Facts are Facts
Losing to Leon Spinks may be the 'biggest' embarrassment in Boxing.
And not only getting your 'Coolie' beat around the Ring, but nearly getting KO'd in Round 15.
Let's not forget, Leon had only been fighting as a Professional for 13-Months, and only
had 7-Bouts under his belt.
'The Greatest My Ass'
Didn't Ali look like complete shit in Ali-Norton 1? Unbelievable shit. 1973.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Paxtom
Foreman fought an unbelievably stupid fight against Ali. Talk about a stubborn, blockheaded fool, that was Foreman from the beginning to the end of that fight.
I like Foreman, always have, but that day his brain was stuck in double-stupid from all the Ali BS.
It took me as long to forgive Foreman as it took him to forgive himself! Lol
Eternally grateful I never bet on fights!!!!
Facts are Facts
Ali is the greatest not based on his fights with Spinks when he was old but on beating the monster Liston when no one gave him a chance, fighting in the biggest boxing event ever against Joe Frazier, beating the other monster Foreman and the brutal war with Frazier in Manilla.
No other fighter can list a better record than Muhammad Ali. Learn to live with it and maybe you can move on in your life. We will not think any less of you for it.