What is the most disappointed you've ever been about anything boxing related?

For me, it's the poor quality of today's boxing writers.


How about you? :confused:

Muhammad Ali

May 1979

For selling his WBA Championship Belt for $400,000 to Bob Arum.

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Muhammad Ali

May 1979

For selling his WBA Championship Belt for $400,000 to Bob Arum.

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Lennox Lewis sold it $1million to Don King rather than defend it against Ruiz. Inflation.

That's true, he wanted no part of the Quiet Man.

To answer the thread, probably that Mayweather/Pac didn't happen in 2009-2011 when it meant something.

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That's true, he wanted no part of the Quiet Man.

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You can not be serious! Lewis beats Ruiz is 2 rounds just like the South African Botha.

Say what you want about Quiet Ruiz, but he was not a bum like Botha!

Malcolm Tann was disappointing as a prospect...I thought he may have had a chance to do something had he been guided correctly.

Laurence Cole as a ref was horribly disappointing in the calls he made and did not make

Buster Douglas was disappointing. Leon Spinks was disappointing. Riddick Bowe was disappointing. Andrew Golota was disappointing. Uncle Remus was disappointing.

Tough question, as there's been many.

But I'll go with CJ Ross seeing a tie..... TIE..... in the total whitewash shutout handed to Canelo by Mayweather. The second most disappointing thing was not having Ross investigated on suspicion of accepting bribe money from the Sulaimans.

Pretty hard to top this 5 year jokathon ride when you consider other fighters like Leonard/Duran going to the dance twice in 6 months.

As far as pure downer goes its tough to top King's scheming to get the Ali/Holmes fight and Larry and him for actually going through with it.
Closely in second place would be the Wbc since fragmenting from the Wba. They have been a total dumpster fire for the last 40 years.

edit:And the fact that most fighters seek out that particular piece of tin after all the evidence is in is also ongoing disappointment. If it was the oldest I might turn the cheek a little but.....

Angelo Dundee

January 1981

Trying to convince Muhammad Ali to give it 'one more try' after getting demolished
by Larry Holmes.

Word has it, that Angelo was having a 'new home' built in Miami Beach, and he wanted
to squeeze another $250,000 {Trainer's Fee} out of Muhammad's hide before he was sent out to pasture.

Jones vs Tarver 2 was a disappointment for a couple of reasons.
1. The fight should not have happened in the 1st place.
2. The knockout.


And I think Manny vs Floyd will be a let down.

Off the top its the Golota-Bowe riot. It made you feel sick.

Or watching Butterbean being the headline in final USA Tuesday night fights

Eder Gonzalez v Juan M Coggi 1 and a clearly criminal referee get away with it

Ko Nation on hbo :-X

"Youth, Silver and Emeritus" bullshat trinkets. Boxing has turned into everyone gets a gold star

Mann Act

Holyfield's clearly impending tko of Tyson ending on 'The Bite'

The lack of ring card girls actually carrying cards around the ring

Losing Mills lane

Needing to stay up until 3 AM every night to watch boxing in the Olympics

The utter uselessness of catchweights

Watching James Toney be knocked down on a counter to his own chicken dance v Jones

Frankie Randall being screwed and knowing it was coming all along

WBC and King trying to take the title away from Buster Douglas after he knocked out Tyson was scandalous.

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Originally Posted by Bill Paxtom

Muhammad Ali

May 1979

For selling his WBA Championship Belt for $400,000 to Bob Arum.

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Lennox Lewis sold it $1million to Don King rather than defend it against Ruiz. Inflation.

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Riddick Bowe dumped his for nothing...

When they robbed RJJ at the 88 Olympics... the most heart-breaking thing to see a young kid brought into the real world of bullshit. RJJ did not deserve that. They really should award him the gold medal....everyone knows it was a huge mistake. That would be the right thing to do!

Other than that, seeing Tyson being pummelled by Lewis. We know that's not how that would have gone 15 years prior. But it was just heart-breaking seeing Tyson literally being led in there like a lamb to the slaughter just for a few bucks. He stood no chance, as Lewis was fighting at a top level and Tyson was all but semi-retired, plus with drugs, anti-depressants, bad management and being broke put him in a world of shit before he even signed the contract.

Edwin Valero killing his girlfriend and himself. So much talent gone to waste. Can you imagine what the lightweights, featherweights and jr. welters would be like if he was still around? Can you imagine the possibilities??

Last, but not least, the robbery of DLH at the hands of DON KING AND BOB ARUM for Felix Trinidad. Sighs.... just like the RJJ 88 Olympics, we know who won. We know who won!!!
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Fenech losing to Azumah controversially in their first meeting.

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Muhammad Ali

May 1979

For selling his WBA Championship Belt for $400,000 to Bob Arum.

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Lennox Lewis sold it $1million to Don King rather than defend it against Ruiz. Inflation.

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Riddick Bowe dumped his for nothing...

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Bowe dumped it so he would not get his ass beat. That was not for nothing.

October 1980

Muhammad Ali

On stage in Las Vegas, Muhammad was reciting a poem about Larry Holmes, and
what he would do to him when they fought in a week.

Muhammad was slow-talking and 'slurring' his words.

It was embarrassing. I felt pity for the man.

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Originally Posted by Bill Paxtom

October 1980

Muhammad Ali

On stage in Las Vegas, Muhammad was reciting a poem about Larry Holmes, and
what he would do to him when they fought in a week.

Muhammad was slow-talking and 'slurring' his words.

It was embarrassing. I felt pity for the man.

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@Bill Paxtom, I won't ask you how old you are but have you seen Ali, Shavers and the many others you refer to or are you a reader of boxing history

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Originally Posted by Bill Paxtom

October 1980

Muhammad Ali

On stage in Las Vegas, Muhammad was reciting a poem about Larry Holmes, and
what he would do to him when they fought in a week.

Muhammad was slow-talking and 'slurring' his words.

It was embarrassing. I felt pity for the man.

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@Bill Paxtom, I won't ask you how old you are but have you seen Ali, Shavers and the many others you refer to or are you a reader of boxing history

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Mr. Walrus,

How old am I.

Old enough to see Led Zeppelin play their 'first gig' in New York City.

* January 31, 1969 ........ Fillmore East

A boxing historian. Yes you can say that I am. I was a regular at Madison Square Garden
in New York City from 1968 thru 1980.

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Originally Posted by Bill Paxtom

October 1980

Muhammad Ali

On stage in Las Vegas, Muhammad was reciting a poem about Larry Holmes, and
what he would do to him when they fought in a week.

Muhammad was slow-talking and 'slurring' his words.

It was embarrassing. I felt pity for the man.

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@Bill Paxtom, I won't ask you how old you are but have you seen Ali, Shavers and the many others you refer to or are you a reader of boxing history

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Mr. Walrus,

How old am I.

Old enough to see Led Zeppelin play their 'first gig' in New York City.

* January 31, 1969 ........ Fillmore East

A boxing historian. Yes you can say that I am. I was a regular at Madison Square Garden
in New York City from 1968 thru 1980.

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lololol..... if you saw Zepplin, you must be white or Jewish if it was back in those days.

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Originally Posted by Bill Paxtom

October 1980

Muhammad Ali

On stage in Las Vegas, Muhammad was reciting a poem about Larry Holmes, and
what he would do to him when they fought in a week.

Muhammad was slow-talking and 'slurring' his words.

It was embarrassing. I felt pity for the man.

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@Bill Paxtom, I won't ask you how old you are but have you seen Ali, Shavers and the many others you refer to or are you a reader of boxing history

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Mr. Walrus,

How old am I.

Old enough to see Led Zeppelin play their 'first gig' in New York City.

* January 31, 1969 ........ Fillmore East

A boxing historian. Yes you can say that I am. I was a regular at Madison Square Garden
in New York City from 1968 thru 1980.

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lololol..... if you saw Zepplin, you must be white or Jewish if it was back in those days.

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Of course I'm white. But my heritage is Italian and Dutch. And my religion is Catholic.

Back in those days............. :D

You make it sound so looooooooooong ago.

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Originally Posted by Bill Paxtom

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Originally Posted by walrus

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Originally Posted by Bill Paxtom

October 1980

Muhammad Ali

On stage in Las Vegas, Muhammad was reciting a poem about Larry Holmes, and
what he would do to him when they fought in a week.

Muhammad was slow-talking and 'slurring' his words.

It was embarrassing. I felt pity for the man.

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@Bill Paxtom, I won't ask you how old you are but have you seen Ali, Shavers and the many others you refer to or are you a reader of boxing history

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Mr. Walrus,

How old am I.

Old enough to see Led Zeppelin play their 'first gig' in New York City.

* January 31, 1969 ........ Fillmore East

A boxing historian. Yes you can say that I am. I was a regular at Madison Square Garden
in New York City from 1968 thru 1980.

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lololol..... if you saw Zepplin, you must be white or Jewish if it was back in those days.

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Of course I'm white. But my heritage is Italian and Dutch. And my religion is Catholic.

Back in those days............. :D

You make it sound so looooooooooong ago.

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Damn your old enough to remember penny candy hahaa! Damn, your old enough to remember when McDonalds sold its 1 thousanth burger. Shit... your probably old enough to remember when the first ingrediant in soda wasnt high fructose corn syrup. Man, props to living that long. haha! Any outrageous posts from you, I will just blame it on dimentia at this point you get a pass man.

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Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

When they robbed RJJ at the 88 Olympics... the most heart-breaking thing to see a young kid brought into the real world of bullshit. RJJ did not deserve that. They really should award him the gold medal....everyone knows it was a huge mistake. That would be the right thing to do!

Other than that, seeing Tyson being pummelled by Lewis. We know that's not how that would have gone 15 years prior. But it was just heart-breaking seeing Tyson literally being led in there like a lamb to the slaughter just for a few bucks. He stood no chance, as Lewis was fighting at a top level and Tyson was all but semi-retired, plus with drugs, anti-depressants, bad management and being broke put him in a world of shit before he even signed the contract.

Edwin Valero killing his girlfriend and himself. So much talent gone to waste. Can you imagine what the lightweights, featherweights and jr. welters would be like if he was still around? Can you imagine the possibilities??

Last, but not least, the robbery of DLH at the hands of DON KING AND BOB ARUM for Felix Trinidad. Sighs.... just like the RJJ 88 Olympics, we know who won. We know who won!!!
:rolleyes:

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Ali losing to Holmes was the first dissappointment for me.

2nd-I was hurt when RJJ got jobbed in the Olympics.

Agree with the posts on the Tyson- Douglass loss- I was shook. The Bite fight, I was sad for Tyson, for African-Americans, for boxers, it was just all around dissapointing.
As far as Tyson being led to the slaughter house vs Lewis- Only highprofile fight in my life I did NOT watch. To this day, I've never seen the whole fight & will never see it. Tyson actually has given me so much grief- I am relieved to know he is in good spirits today- but his career after Douglas: just one big dissappointment after another for me. Truly.

Dissappointed at the reffing of McClellan-Benn--- took me a few years to watch that fight.

Valero- well I am the probably the biggest political conspiracy theorist of the board- Valero if we remember actually had Hugo Friggin Chavez tattooed on his chest. That man did NOT kill himself. Wrong thread for me to go political-so I will say this- he was murdured. Damn Valero vs Pacman would've been everything!

LOL! @ Kabong. Malcom the "showstopper" Tan?! haha, wasnt he pushed by Goosen? I remember thinking this guy has a certain charisma. Then he met Arreola- I forget which round it was when Arreola just pummeled him & Tan walks to his corner hollering "I took your best"!
I was thinking, but Malcom...this Chris Arreola guy doesn't look the slight bit tired...like he's just getting started.
In terms of a fighter being exposed like Tann,, for me it was Bojado. I dont think when DLH gave him a 2nd chance that Steve Forbes would turn in the performance of a lifetime.

I've mentioned this before, but getting to know Chazz Witherspoon personally, then the next fight Arreola once again crushed me. Totally dissappointed for Chazz.

@SlimTrae Benn did get help but Gerald was punches loads at the back of the head which was why Nigel was knocked out of the ring.

For me it was anytime Shavers lost or didn't fight.

There's a lot of disappointments in boxing, but there's a few that come to mind.

Settling down to watch boxing on Sky, only to find out that once again Junior Witter was headlining a card. Then hearing his (obviously ironic nickname) 'The Hitter', being announced, with the hope of him actually hitting something generally fairly slim.

Muhammad Ali

May 1981

Getting turned down as a guest on The Tonight Show.

Seems that Muhammad could not put a coherent sentence together.
Nobody could understand what he was saying.

He sounded as if he stuffed a wad of cotton in his mouth.

It Was Beyond Embarrassment

You list any of these tragedies:

Top 10 Worst Moments in Boxing History - Listverse

Mayweather and Pacquiao blowing the opportunity to fight each other in their primes.

To elaborate, the moment is lost. From about the time PacMan defeated ODLH to approximately when he first faced Timothy Bradley, we had something really special on our hands: 2 all-time greats in the same weight division and at the red-hot primes of their careers. This never happened.

It's as if we are going straight to Leonard-Hearns II without having a I. Alternatively, if one views PBF as still in his red-hot prime (a reasonable opinion, but not one I hold) we have something closer to Tyson-Holmes. I mean, 2 red hot prime fighters in the same weight class and at this skill level is something very rare. Even Leonard-Duran doesn't quite qualify (Duran peaked at Lightweight). Ali-Frazier probably does, but even then we could quibble about Ali (he peaked before his Vietnam controversy).

I'll watch the fight of course, but I'm terribly disappointed.

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You list any of these tragedies:

Top 10 Worst Moments in Boxing History - Listverse

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Damn. #1. How did we not know all of that shit happened after that Kim/Mancini fight. Damn....
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Muhammad Ali

September 1980

During a filmed gym session for a Press Release, Muhammad was trying to hit the Speed Bag.

Muhammad couldn't even get a good 10-Seconds off, before forgetting how to punch the Bag.

Embarrassing Moment #67 for Muhammad Ali

David Haye's performance against Wladimir Klitschko & his pathetic excuse afterwards.

Steve Smoger getting into the Hall of Fame. Might as well let the Marquis de Sade in.

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Mayweather and Pacquiao blowing the opportunity to fight each other in their primes.

To elaborate, the moment is lost. From about the time PacMan defeated ODLH to approximately when he first faced Timothy Bradley, we had something really special on our hands: 2 all-time greats in the same weight division and at the red-hot primes of their careers. This never happened.

It's as if we are going straight to Leonard-Hearns II without having a I. Alternatively, if one views PBF as still in his red-hot prime (a reasonable opinion, but not one I hold) we have something closer to Tyson-Holmes. I mean, 2 red hot prime fighters in the same weight class and at this skill level is something very rare. Even Leonard-Duran doesn't quite qualify (Duran peaked at Lightweight). Ali-Frazier probably does, but even then we could quibble about Ali (he peaked before his Vietnam controversy).

I'll watch the fight of course, but I'm terribly disappointed.

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I'm going to write an article based on this post.

Putting this Album on the record player.

Released; August 1963

Certified 'dog shit'.

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/i...3Be8Xdjb8N9A2C

Bill I normally do not agree with you and I will not start now.

That album was great. Sam Cooke would have been proud of that album.

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Mayweather and Pacquiao blowing the opportunity to fight each other in their primes.

To elaborate, the moment is lost. From about the time PacMan defeated ODLH to approximately when he first faced Timothy Bradley, we had something really special on our hands: 2 all-time greats in the same weight division and at the red-hot primes of their careers. This never happened.

It's as if we are going straight to Leonard-Hearns II without having a I. Alternatively, if one views PBF as still in his red-hot prime (a reasonable opinion, but not one I hold) we have something closer to Tyson-Holmes. I mean, 2 red hot prime fighters in the same weight class and at this skill level is something very rare. Even Leonard-Duran doesn't quite qualify (Duran peaked at Lightweight). Ali-Frazier probably does, but even then we could quibble about Ali (he peaked before his Vietnam controversy).

I'll watch the fight of course, but I'm terribly disappointed.

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I'm going to write an article based on this post.

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Very cool...looking forward to reading it.