If he beats Pacquiao? Pacquiao may be past his prime, but he's still an elite fighter and in the top 5 P4P.
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If he beats Pacquiao? Pacquiao may be past his prime, but he's still an elite fighter and in the top 5 P4P.
Not as much as if he fought him 2009 when Manny was a serious threat.
These two are the best welterweights in the world and this is a good fight but is being treated as a major event.
Indeed, shame Pac backed out from the original fight agreement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Do you think the fight has got bigger money wise?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonIndeed, shame Pac backed out from the original fight agreement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Sadly yes. Guarantee wise it has grown astronomically that's just fact. But beyond fact to speculation I think the fight was huge for fans in 2009/10 and became an event for all when it appeared it wouldn't happen. People always want what they can't have.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterDo you think the fight has got bigger money wise?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonIndeed, shame Pac backed out from the original fight agreement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I think it peaked and fell off a bit but it's still bigger than it would have been March 13th of 2010. Not better, not more important. But more money
That is sad. What about viewers and interest? Is it bigger?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonSadly yes. Guarantee wise it has grown astronomically that's just fact. But beyond fact to speculation I think the fight was huge for fans in 2009/10 and became an event for all when it appeared it wouldn't happen. People always want what they can't have.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterDo you think the fight has got bigger money wise?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonIndeed, shame Pac backed out from the original fight agreement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I think it peaked and fell off a bit but it's still bigger than it would have been March 13th of 2010. Not better, not more important. But more money
I see it the same as the money. It probably peaked in 2011 but it's still bigger than it was at its proper time I think. I sort of hope I'm wrong and it does WAY smaller numbers than everyone imagines.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThat is sad. What about viewers and interest? Is it bigger?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonSadly yes. Guarantee wise it has grown astronomically that's just fact. But beyond fact to speculation I think the fight was huge for fans in 2009/10 and became an event for all when it appeared it wouldn't happen. People always want what they can't have.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterDo you think the fight has got bigger money wise?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonIndeed, shame Pac backed out from the original fight agreement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I think it peaked and fell off a bit but it's still bigger than it would have been March 13th of 2010. Not better, not more important. But more money
Agreed as it sends out all the wrong messages which is delay the fight and it gets bigger and better even if it is past its sell by date.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonI see it the same as the money. It probably peaked in 2011 but it's still bigger than it was at its proper time I think. I sort of hope I'm wrong and it does WAY smaller numbers than everyone imagines.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThat is sad. What about viewers and interest? Is it bigger?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonSadly yes. Guarantee wise it has grown astronomically that's just fact. But beyond fact to speculation I think the fight was huge for fans in 2009/10 and became an event for all when it appeared it wouldn't happen. People always want what they can't have.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterDo you think the fight has got bigger money wise?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonIndeed, shame Pac backed out from the original fight agreement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I think it peaked and fell off a bit but it's still bigger than it would have been March 13th of 2010. Not better, not more important. But more money
If floyd beat pacman then he can claim to be TBE he's deffenetly up there IMO
We've missed so many fights with one guy losing as a fight "marinates". Everyone wants to get every dollar out of every fight and they seem to ignore how many fights never happen and all that money lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterAgreed as it sends out all the wrong messages which is delay the fight and it gets bigger and better even if it is past its sell by date.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonI see it the same as the money. It probably peaked in 2011 but it's still bigger than it was at its proper time I think. I sort of hope I'm wrong and it does WAY smaller numbers than everyone imagines.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterThat is sad. What about viewers and interest? Is it bigger?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonSadly yes. Guarantee wise it has grown astronomically that's just fact. But beyond fact to speculation I think the fight was huge for fans in 2009/10 and became an event for all when it appeared it wouldn't happen. People always want what they can't have.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterDo you think the fight has got bigger money wise?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonIndeed, shame Pac backed out from the original fight agreement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I think it peaked and fell off a bit but it's still bigger than it would have been March 13th of 2010. Not better, not more important. But more money
It is what it is. Both guys have aged equally during that time, and it's not like either one now has an advantage that the other doesn't. That's my way of saying whoever wins should get all the credit in the world. I don't like to preface fights with "should he get credit for" before the fight even begins.
That being said, I agree with the message that sadly will probably not be given regarding waiting out while fans clamor and suffer with mega fights not being made on a timely basis. It's almost as if both parties are thumbing their nose at the public, knowing full well that we'll all be there like pitiful, faithful romantics.... willing to forgive and forget.
Will I be watching? Of course.
Both guys are past their prime, it's not like either guy is fighting the best version of that guy. I'm willing to accept that whoever wins this fight is the guy who would have won in 2009-2011.
Pac seemingly doesn't have the same pop in his shots or killer instinct that he had years ago but he's still fast as fuck. Floyd's legs and speed have visibly deteriorated over the last few years but he's still fast as fuck and his ring IQ is still off the charts, so it's a tough fight for both guys.
How much do you want to bet that the promotion of this fight coveniantly will overlook the fact that Manny got knock out cold, face first, against JMM?
I was thinking Pac lying face down would be used opposite Floyds face on the billboards in Vegas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Perhaps instead of a 24/7, they will replay Pac-Marquez 4 and Floyd-Maidana 1 back to back on loop, on every major network worldwide. They could also start getting some of Floyds ex girlfriends on the talk show circuit to tap into the feminist market.
We're making it seem as if Pac is a lamb to the slaughter. If anything, since the JMM ko, Pac is smarter than he was before.
Do you think Pac, the most agile and active fighter on the scene today, will just sit there and let Floyd pot-shot him?? Do you really think that? lolol....
If anything, due to Pac's movement and multi-punch combo's that are the hardest in the division, I expect Floyd to get busted up more than what he did against Maidana.
and to go right against Mannys given beliefs, Floyd could announce his walk in is with the Village people singing YMCA and bring in the gay money. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingI was thinking Pac lying face down would be used opposite Floyds face on the billboards in Vegas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Perhaps instead of a 24/7, they will replay Pac-Marquez 4 and Floyd-Maidana 1 back to back on loop, on every major network worldwide. They could also start getting some of Floyds ex girlfriends on the talk show circuit to tap into the feminist market.
I will give him some credit. Floyd could have beat Manny anytime in his career. I knew once Bob Arum squeezed every cent he could out of Manny he would make the fight.
Floyd will get no credit for beating the current 2nd best ranked welterweight in the world, current 2nd best P4P fighter in the world and one of the greatest fighters that ever lived.
If you're a pathetic moron.
Well I wouldn't say that Pac will let Floyd pot shot him but there will be nothing he can do about itQuote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
He should get a lot of credit since Pac is still one of the top p4p fighters in the world. Even if he has gotten worse, he is still a very good fighter. Either way for me though, I think Floyd would have easily won whether then or now and Pac is lucky the fight didn't happen years ago because Pac would have gotten destroyed and then the whole unstoppable perception so many people had of him would have never existed.
Floyd gets credit for refusing to fight a PED fueled Manny.
Does he deserve credit for beating one of the biggest phoneys of current boxing... Why not?
As a Manny fan but more so a boxing fan who appreciates both fighters I the ring I would still give Money much credit to beating Manny (won't happen). Both fighters have aged but I think time has favored Floyd. That was his father's Mantra, do as little trauma to the body and the longer your career will last. The defense of Floyd, the opposition for the last little under a decade will be of benefit for him.
Manny has been balls to wall, I don't argue the ped thing anymore, I don't bring up Floyd's links to Manny Ramirez and his cohorts in baseball because it's speculation. It's to serious to accuse someone of doing such a thing and there is no hard evidence of anything on either of these guys.
Anyway, enough of that nonsense, Floyd is a chess wizard in the ring, so Damn impressive to watch.
I think we are going to see some brilliance from Manny. It's the biggest fight for both these guys after a career of big fights, they know how to train and they are at home in the craziness of big fights. I'm a pactard who appreciates any and all great boxers ie. Shavers. This has to be a great fight. But for the sake of the thread I'll say whoever wins will certainly have my respect. I just realized I pledged not to participate in Manny v Pac threAds for about a month or so. Either way, the damming fight is happening, I'm trying to be more positive even thought it's happening too late and is going to be way to expensive but in glad it's happening. I even sent a friend request to @RuThLesSrocco he didn't reply but I thought I wanted to start at the beginning
@walrus I accepted your friend request. It was the first one I ever got...
They'll gloss over it and spin it around. "Ohhh he was so busy winning all the time, helping people in his home town and being a politician that he lost his focus and took JMM lightly. But now he's 100% committed." And then they'll show Pac and he'll say something to the effect of "I feel like the Pacquiao of old, I'm now 100% focused, actually I'm better than I was in 2009, I'm hitting harder than I've ever hit and Floyd is going to get the best Pac of all time, actually the shock of being KO'd made me a better fighter." All the typical bullshit, to try to make it sound like it's better they're fighting now as opposed to 5 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
I dont think so. Hes fighting a man who has lost twice since people originally wanted the fight. For me a win would put him in the top 10 list.Quote:
Originally Posted by g3org3
@RuThLesSrocco, my apologies then, I checked a couple times and didn't see it. I'll look again. By the way, thanks for accepting and I am glad we are now bffs. @ruthless rocco.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
Well it's only my opinion but I've said in the past floyds the best defensive fighter I've ever seen and if he beat pacman convincenly like I think he will, then I have no problem floyd calling himself TBEQuote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeI dont think so. Hes fighting a man who has lost twice since people originally wanted the fight. For me a win would put him in the top 10 list.Quote:
Originally Posted by g3org3
After floyd wins will all the hardcore manny fans jump on the khan ship or jump on the GGG ship and try to bring him down for a catchweight fight?
I wonder which way they will go?
After May the 2nd there will be some very upset posters that should hopefully understand when floyd and manny embrace after the fight that its just boxing...I will offer my shoulder for anyone to cry on.
So we have already discovered it was pacs camp that prevented the fight from happening and Freddie has admitted this..why are we still moaning about this fact?!Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeI dont think so. Hes fighting a man who has lost twice since people originally wanted the fight. For me a win would put him in the top 10 list.Quote:
Originally Posted by g3org3
I would love to know who is in front of floyd in your top ten?
Makes no difference to me but it would make a great discussion!