How much credit should Floyd get...

[Master]

Not as much as if he fought him 2009 when Manny was a serious threat.

These two are the best welterweights in the world and this is a good fight but is being treated as a major event.

Indeed, shame Pac backed out from the original fight agreement.

Do you think the fight has got bigger money wise?

Sadly yes. Guarantee wise it has grown astronomically that's just fact. But beyond fact to speculation I think the fight was huge for fans in 2009/10 and became an event for all when it appeared it wouldn't happen. People always want what they can't have.

I think it peaked and fell off a bit but it's still bigger than it would have been March 13th of 2010. Not better, not more important. But more money

That is sad. What about viewers and interest? Is it bigger?

I see it the same as the money. It probably peaked in 2011 but it's still bigger than it was at its proper time I think. I sort of hope I'm wrong and it does WAY smaller numbers than everyone imagines.

Agreed as it sends out all the wrong messages which is delay the fight and it gets bigger and better even if it is past its sell by date.

[g3org3]

If floyd beat pacman then he can claim to be TBE he's deffenetly up there IMO

[Silkeyjoe]

If floyd beat pacman then he can claim to be TBE he's deffenetly up there IMO

I dont think so. Hes fighting a man who has lost twice since people originally wanted the fight. For me a win would put him in the top 10 list.

[g3org3]

If floyd beat pacman then he can claim to be TBE he's deffenetly up there IMO

I dont think so. Hes fighting a man who has lost twice since people originally wanted the fight. For me a win would put him in the top 10 list.

Well it's only my opinion but I've said in the past floyds the best defensive fighter I've ever seen and if he beat pacman convincenly like I think he will, then I have no problem floyd calling himself TBE

[imp]

If floyd beat pacman then he can claim to be TBE he's deffenetly up there IMO

I dont think so. Hes fighting a man who has lost twice since people originally wanted the fight. For me a win would put him in the top 10 list.

So we have already discovered it was pacs camp that prevented the fight from happening and Freddie has admitted this..why are we still moaning about this fact?!

I would love to know who is in front of floyd in your top ten?

Makes no difference to me but it would make a great discussion!

[Ron Swanson]

Not as much as if he fought him 2009 when Manny was a serious threat.

These two are the best welterweights in the world and this is a good fight but is being treated as a major event.

Indeed, shame Pac backed out from the original fight agreement.

Do you think the fight has got bigger money wise?

Sadly yes. Guarantee wise it has grown astronomically that's just fact. But beyond fact to speculation I think the fight was huge for fans in 2009/10 and became an event for all when it appeared it wouldn't happen. People always want what they can't have.

I think it peaked and fell off a bit but it's still bigger than it would have been March 13th of 2010. Not better, not more important. But more money

That is sad. What about viewers and interest? Is it bigger?

I see it the same as the money. It probably peaked in 2011 but it's still bigger than it was at its proper time I think. I sort of hope I'm wrong and it does WAY smaller numbers than everyone imagines.

Agreed as it sends out all the wrong messages which is delay the fight and it gets bigger and better even if it is past its sell by date.

We've missed so many fights with one guy losing as a fight "marinates". Everyone wants to get every dollar out of every fight and they seem to ignore how many fights never happen and all that money lost.

[TitoFan]

It is what it is. Both guys have aged equally during that time, and it's not like either one now has an advantage that the other doesn't. That's my way of saying whoever wins should get all the credit in the world. I don't like to preface fights with "should he get credit for" before the fight even begins.

That being said, I agree with the message that sadly will probably not be given regarding waiting out while fans clamor and suffer with mega fights not being made on a timely basis. It's almost as if both parties are thumbing their nose at the public, knowing full well that we'll all be there like pitiful, faithful romantics.... willing to forgive and forget.

Will I be watching? Of course.

[Beanflicker]

Both guys are past their prime, it's not like either guy is fighting the best version of that guy. I'm willing to accept that whoever wins this fight is the guy who would have won in 2009-2011.

Pac seemingly doesn't have the same pop in his shots or killer instinct that he had years ago but he's still fast as fuck. Floyd's legs and speed have visibly deteriorated over the last few years but he's still fast as fuck and his ring IQ is still off the charts, so it's a tough fight for both guys.

[Master]

How much do you want to bet that the promotion of this fight coveniantly will overlook the fact that Manny got knock out cold, face first, against JMM?

[p4pking]

How much do you want to bet that the promotion of this fight coveniantly will overlook the fact that Manny got knock out cold, face first, against JMM?

I was thinking Pac lying face down would be used opposite Floyds face on the billboards in Vegas.

Perhaps instead of a 24/7, they will replay Pac-Marquez 4 and Floyd-Maidana 1 back to back on loop, on every major network worldwide. They could also start getting some of Floyds ex girlfriends on the talk show circuit to tap into the feminist market.

[ykdadamaja]

We're making it seem as if Pac is a lamb to the slaughter. If anything, since the JMM ko, Pac is smarter than he was before.

Do you think Pac, the most agile and active fighter on the scene today, will just sit there and let Floyd pot-shot him?? Do you really think that? lolol....

If anything, due to Pac's movement and multi-punch combo's that are the hardest in the division, I expect Floyd to get busted up more than what he did against Maidana.

[Andre]

How much do you want to bet that the promotion of this fight coveniantly will overlook the fact that Manny got knock out cold, face first, against JMM?

I was thinking Pac lying face down would be used opposite Floyds face on the billboards in Vegas.

Perhaps instead of a 24/7, they will replay Pac-Marquez 4 and Floyd-Maidana 1 back to back on loop, on every major network worldwide. They could also start getting some of Floyds ex girlfriends on the talk show circuit to tap into the feminist market.

and to go right against Mannys given beliefs, Floyd could announce his walk in is with the Village people singing YMCA and bring in the gay money.

[Beanflicker]

How much do you want to bet that the promotion of this fight coveniantly will overlook the fact that Manny got knock out cold, face first, against JMM?

They'll gloss over it and spin it around. "Ohhh he was so busy winning all the time, helping people in his home town and being a politician that he lost his focus and took JMM lightly. But now he's 100% committed." And then they'll show Pac and he'll say something to the effect of "I feel like the Pacquiao of old, I'm now 100% focused, actually I'm better than I was in 2009, I'm hitting harder than I've ever hit and Floyd is going to get the best Pac of all time, actually the shock of being KO'd made me a better fighter." All the typical bullshit, to try to make it sound like it's better they're fighting now as opposed to 5 years ago.