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he looked very bad fighting leftie. I figured he was doing that because he saw it as an advantage vs Wlad, but he needs to get much better at it.
I'm sure he feels that way due to Corrie Sanders' blow out of Wlad way back when. I think it is an oversimplification and doesn't address the fact that Sanders, although pudgy looking, was a very athletic man with fast hands/feet and a big punch that Wlad was not prepared to deal with. That being said, Fury needs to hype the fight and convince himself (and the public) that he can actually win, so I wouldn't be too hard on him about that statement.
Fury doesn't have Corrie Sanders power or his hand speed. To say that Wlad had trouble with Tony Thompson once I will agree but in the rematch Wlad beat the piss out of him!
I'm hoping this fight happens soon because I don't see Fury as a threat at all.
Well, there you have it folks.
All heavyweights now going up against Wlad must put their Right foot forwards. & they're guaranteed of victory.
Listening to Tyson Fury sure is like an education.
I think it is a bluff and will fight orthodox like Hagler and Rocky did.
He should have said "they key to me getting away with fighting horribly in a southpaw stance is that I've only done it against 6 foot 2 plodders"...
He can get away with it when he towers over somebody, he's not going to tower over Wlad.
If he's serious about beating Wlad then he needs to work on getting more pop in his shots and get in there with some big men (not chis or hammer...), his party trick is cute but not enough.
Hold on, Wlad hasn't got the chin to worth worry about needing to be putting more pop in his shots. Pulev who isn't as big a puncher as Tyson hurt Wlad with a jab!Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Can Wlad handle someone who is very good at pouring in the shots? Rather than just the plodding one, twoers he's been facing? Someone who can move and actually put punches together is a nightmare for Wlad let alone someone with tysons size to go with it.
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Originally Posted by rossHold on, Wlad hasn't got the chin to worth worry about needing to be putting more pop in his shots. Pulev who isn't as big a puncher as Tyson hurt Wlad with a jab!Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Can Wlad handle someone who is very good at pouring in the shots? Rather than just the plodding one, twoers he's been facing? Someone who can move and actually put punches together is a nightmare for Wlad let alone someone with tysons size to go with it.
I'm not so sure Wlad has a bad chin. Not great obviously. I agree with questioning: can Wlad handle someone who is good at pouring in the shots.
Also noting Sanders had punching power, so no real shame in that knockout. It was indeed IMO a damn great contrast of style that worked for Sanders who sacrificed his jab by parying Wlad's jab, followed by a hard straight left.
Wlad's chin IMO wasn't really tested by Sam. When Wlad got dropped by Peter, it was that wild ass side to back of the head-wind-mill shot. Second knockdown I think was a pushdown. I could be wrong, but I don't recall Peter checking Wlad's chin. It was an equilibrium shot that dropped Wlad.
Same with Peter vs Toney.
Toney took those shots to the back of the head better than Wlad. But that IMO is a testament to Toney's inner fortitude & Wlad's lack of it. & the Brewster loss IMO he was pure gassed-out.
Wlad takes Fury's punches easily IMO and wins an easy UD. Or he will make it look easy that is.
Tyson is not a weak puncher. He is just better than most give him credit for. He's very fluid and not just for his size but any heavyweight. He can move and punch on the move he can fight on the inside and put punches together well. He doesn't load up on his shots either like other fighters do and tore themselves out. When he dropped Hammer he could have finished him then and there but is actually listening to instruction and just boxing. Not risking anything.Quote:
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Originally Posted by rossHold on, Wlad hasn't got the chin to worth worry about needing to be putting more pop in his shots. Pulev who isn't as big a puncher as Tyson hurt Wlad with a jab!Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Can Wlad handle someone who is very good at pouring in the shots? Rather than just the plodding one, twoers he's been facing? Someone who can move and actually put punches together is a nightmare for Wlad let alone someone with tysons size to go with it.
I'm not so sure Wlad has a bad chin. Not great obviously. I agree with questioning: can Wlad handle someone who is good at pouring in the shots.
Also noting Sanders had punching power, so no real shame in that knockout. It was indeed IMO a damn great contrast of style that worked for Sanders who sacrificed his jab by parying Wlad's jab, followed by a hard straight left.
Wlad's chin IMO wasn't really tested by Sam. When Wlad got dropped by Peter, it was that wild ass side to back of the head-wind-mill shot. Second knockdown I think was a pushdown. I could be wrong, but I don't recall Peter checking Wlad's chin. It was an equilibrium shot that dropped Wlad.
Same with Peter vs Toney.
Toney took those shots to the back of the head better than Wlad. But that IMO is a testament to Toney's inner fortitude & Wlad's lack of it. & the Brewster loss IMO he was pure gassed-out.
Wlad takes Fury's punches easily IMO and wins an easy UD. Or he will make it look easy that is.
The proof in the pudding really is how quiet the Fury bashers are today because they really have nothing to criticise his display on. Everyone is changing their opinions of him. He was a clumsy oaf (in their view) but now he's handling world rated heavies easy and looking skillfull doing it.
People are quiet because the fight was nothing to get excited about in the first place Ross, another undersized and limited heavyweight.
The fact that you have to tell us about all of the attributes that Fury has says it all really.
You're looking at the fight backwards, the 50 fight veteran isn't the one who is going to be shown things he's never seen before...
Edit: sorry 66 fight veteran...
The guy who got dropped heavily an old cruiserweight, took 4 times as many rounds to stop Del boy as a cruiserweight and who has yet to face a BIG world class heavyweight is the guy who is going to be dealing with something beyond what he's dealt with so far.
Fury has been well matched to get where he is , im sick of all the talk , let Wlad have him.
I have to agree that Fury has been matched well.
I've never seen a fight I didn't expect him to win, I always wanted him to get destroyed, but always knew he'd win.
The fact of the matter is, to us brits he's Tyson Fury and he's the next big thing.
But to Wlad he's just another Mariusz Wach, Leapi, Pulev, Pianeta, the list goes on.
I really want Wlad to blast him out so this hype can finally be put to bed.
Tyson Fury will shock the world
....is he going to humbly accept his defeat?? ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Tyson Fury is all talk, he's worse than David Haye in that regard because he has no talent to back up his words. Yes Haye had talent, he was skilled, but not to the point he talked himself up to be (which is probably why he was so loquacious). Tyson Fury may very well produce a lot of punches, he may very well fight as ross says.......but look who he is doing that against! Plenty of people say "Oh I've got the plan to beat Wlad, I've got the style, Wlad's never seen anyone like me before"...but when they get in the ring with THE CHAMP it's a different ballgame. Fighters have thought PRESSURE, Brewster poured on the pressure, he beat Wlad....:rolleyes: .....Lamon Brewster has one hell of a chin, yes he poured on pressure, after Wlad threw everything but the kitchen sink at him after scoring the knockdown, same with Purrity. That's not a smart way to approach a fight, the Homer Simpson style of absorb everything thrown at you until your opponent is tired and weak from punching you in the head and body but then again Tyson Fury IS a pretty dumb fellow. People have constantly pointed to Sanders and Brewster as "blue prints" of how to beat Wlad.....at one point in time, yes. Had Sam Peter kept his head and hands moving maybe he could have worn Wlad down in their first fight, but Wlad is a different fighter now, he's conservative when he needs to be and he's aggressive in the use of his jab to stifle the attack of his opponent. Can Tyson Fury counter that? I don't know, I haven't seen him do it against anyone else, I haven't seen him HAVE to do that vs anyone else.
Wlad is a more fluid fighter than Fury, Wlad has faster hands, Wlad has bigger power, Wlad has more experience, and Wlad has the chance to make history....I believe all of those things favor Wlad. Fury is younger and taller that's about it.
No chance of him coming out lefty I reakon it's just to disrupt wlads training so he has to train for southpaw just Incase
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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Oh you mean by entering the fight in shape , and not with his trunks pulled up to his moobs ?
Everyone thats beaten Klitschko has moobs;D
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Originally Posted by ross
Then on that logic alone the bookies must make Fury favourite.
Well then I guess it's a damn shame Tony Thompson just stopped Odlanier Solis in their rematch
I've always considered Tyson Fury the modern day Ali.
Take Ali, make him 6'9" and 260lbs, paint him white, and you have a Tyson Fury, complete with all the trash talk, fast arm punches in combination and runnin around the ring like a lunatic, enjoying his height and often weight advantage over his opponents. Stylistically similar with the combinations also.
Except this time the opponent isn't a giant lummox like George Foreman or Sonny Liston!
It's a serious opponent.
In the words of Howard Cosell... "I just don't think he can do it".
That, is without doubt the biggest insult I have ever seen to Muhammad Ali! Bill Paxtom would be absolutely proud of you. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
Stop talking shit... His most serious opponent to date was a cruiserweight who would have weighed in as a heavyweight during Ali's era. Not one of Fury's opponents fits the archetype of today's super heavyweight at anything resembling an elite level.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
You seriously think Chisora compares favourably to George Foreman?! Hahaha...
There we have it folks...
Foreman - Lummox
Chisora - serious opponent
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Without a doubt one of the top 3 stupidest things I have ever read on this site. This is what happens when you try to awkwardly shoehorn an insult about a fighter you dislike into an entirely unrelated discussion... Give an idiot enough rope and he will hang himself with it.
I mean, it's not complete hog-wash.
He'd have to fight pretty much one handed - occupy Wlad's left all night and stay way away from the right but although he has the dimensions, I don't really think he has the positional awareness and hard-lined tactical mind to do this against a top 10 all-time heavyweight great. No chance.
Going into a fight against Wlad you have to pick your poison, which punch are you going to pay less attention to? If it's the jab then you're in for a long night of eating those, if it's the right cross or left hook then you're in for a short night unless you have one hell of a chin.
To me and this is just me mind you, Tyson Fury seems to be not very different than Maruisz Wach. He's big, he's not super agile, he's an arm puncher, and he doesn't pay too much attention to defense probably because he's so dang big he's been able to get away with it.
Fury 6'9, Wach 6'7 & 1/2. Fury 24 wins 18 KO's, Wach 29 wins 16 KO's, Fury 85" reach, Wach 82" reach, Fury stopped Hammer in 8, Wach stopped Hammer in 6.
I think Fury is more of a showman, maybe a touch more fluid, he may also have a weaker chin based on the bombs Wlad landed on that Mac Tonite crescent moon shaped chin of Wach and seeing how Cunningham really caught Fury hard. But we'll just have to see, but I think they aren't far off each other.
Fury has the weaker chin by a mile bud. Wach took Wlads shots while Fury nearly got decapitated by HMS.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
1 or 2 left hooks/straight rights and the fights done.
The difference is when Fury is focussed he will be the best mover and combination punher Wlad has faced for a long time. He will also be miles harder to hit than Wach or anyone else hes faced.
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Originally Posted by ross
He hits harder than Sanders and Rahman ?
No where in my post have I said that at all:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlQuote:
Originally Posted by ross
He hits harder than Sanders and Rahman ?
Did you need to for the question to not have a valid point?
Otherwise its just a random question.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
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Originally Posted by rossNo where in my post have I said that at all:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlQuote:
Originally Posted by ross
He hits harder than Sanders and Rahman ?
Sorry I misread , you actually said he will be much harder to hit , it was late I was a bit pissed sorry.
You listed Tyson Fury's attributes as you see them and were then asked about one of his attributes, that's hardly random.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossOtherwise its just a random question.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
Adam, stop it. Al has realised he misread it. I thought he had.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBYou listed Tyson Fury's attributes as you see them and were then asked about one of his attributes, that's hardly random.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossOtherwise its just a random question.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
You are off on another odd tangent;)
If you think one line of text is a tangent then you myst have a short attention span.
The question is relevant, can Fury break the skin off a rice pudding? Fury will be the 'best combination puncher' Wlad has fought in a while if he continues not to to plant his feet or throw with any snap.
He's going to need movement, fluidity AND power...
Your wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
I believe Fury had power. If he didnt, people like Chisora would have walked through him. He drops and hurts people without trying, the shots he drops them with they don't see coming as they are in a combination and he does it while on the move. He is the most fluid heavy out there and is still improving. He will be lighter on his feet against Wlad as he admitted he only trained for 5 weeks for Hammer as Hammer was only a journeyman.
Ali dropped fighters without being a puncher. Its the sharpness and speed and being able to put more than two shots together that will trouble Wlad. He's ok against plodding one two fighters but those who can move and punch in combination will beat him. Like I said also, he's going to struggle to land against Tyson more so than anyone else he's fought.
ooooff it is going to hurt when you fall back to earthQuote:
Originally Posted by rossYour wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
I believe Fury had power. If he didnt, people like Chisora would have walked through him. He drops and hurts people without trying, the shots he drops them with they don't see coming as they are in a combination and he does it while on the move. He is the most fluid heavy out there and is still improving. He will be lighter on his feet against Wlad as he admitted he only trained for 5 weeks for Hammer as Hammer was only a journeyman.
Ali dropped fighters without being a puncher. Its the sharpness and speed and being able to put more than two shots together that will trouble Wlad. He's ok against plodding one two fighters but those who can move and punch in combination will beat him. Like I said also, he's going to struggle to land against Tyson more so than anyone else he's fought.
Maybe. I only really started being vocal about Fury when I could see so much rubbish being posted about him. It annoyed me that he was clearly better than some were willing to give him credit for.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabongooooff it is going to hurt when you fall back to earthQuote:
Originally Posted by rossYour wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
I believe Fury had power. If he didnt, people like Chisora would have walked through him. He drops and hurts people without trying, the shots he drops them with they don't see coming as they are in a combination and he does it while on the move. He is the most fluid heavy out there and is still improving. He will be lighter on his feet against Wlad as he admitted he only trained for 5 weeks for Hammer as Hammer was only a journeyman.
Ali dropped fighters without being a puncher. Its the sharpness and speed and being able to put more than two shots together that will trouble Wlad. He's ok against plodding one two fighters but those who can move and punch in combination will beat him. Like I said also, he's going to struggle to land against Tyson more so than anyone else he's fought.
The truth is he is skilled. He's the only heavyweight out there that can put a cohesive combination together, mixing uppercuts and hooks that actually land and not just straight left, right, left, right. He doesn't stunt his work by being too close or far away, he can actually fight on the inside which is a feat in itself given his size and he can move around the ring like a light heavy. He's not just relying on size, he has skills and more people are having their eyes opened by actually watching him rather than taking in all the shit written about him.
It will hurt you more when you lot watch him beat Wlad I can assure you, like everything you ever believed in crashing around you;)
;D
I said that Wladimir is a serious opponent compared with Geroge Foreman...Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBStop talking shit... His most serious opponent to date was a cruiserweight who would have weighed in as a heavyweight during Ali's era. Not one of Fury's opponents fits the archetype of today's super heavyweight at anything resembling an elite level.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Power
You seriously think Chisora compares favourably to George Foreman?! Hahaha...
There we have it folks...
Foreman - Lummox
Chisora - serious opponent
:vd:
Without a doubt one of the top 3 stupidest things I have ever read on this site. This is what happens when you try to awkwardly shoehorn an insult about a fighter you dislike into an entirely unrelated discussion... Give an idiot enough rope and he will hang himself with it.
And in Chisora's defence, he is simply a much larger and stronger version of Joe Frazier.
Except Fury did not LOSE to HIS Frazier.
You're talking rubbish again. Chisora might have more weight on him than Frazier, but the size advantaged Fury enjoyed over Chisora completely eclipses any size advantage that Ali had... That's why Ali lost to 'HIS Chisora' :rolleyes:
Joe Frazier
height: 5 foot 11
reach: 73"
Weight: 205
Muhammad Ali
height: 6 foot 3
reach: 78"
Weight: 215
Height difference: 4"
Reach difference: 5"
Weight difference: 10lb
Dereck Chisora
Height: 6 foot 1
Reach: 74"
Weight: 241lb
Tyson Fury
Height: 6 foot 9
Reach: 85"
Weight: 265lb
Height difference: 8"
Reach difference: 11"
Weight difference: 24lb
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Over twice the advantage... That's gargantuan...