Gotta say i agree with Tyson here and have made no secret that i have Pacquiao as favourite to not only win but stop Floyd inside the distance!
Tyson: Pacquiao Will Test Mayweather’s Toughness - WSJ
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Gotta say i agree with Tyson here and have made no secret that i have Pacquiao as favourite to not only win but stop Floyd inside the distance!
Tyson: Pacquiao Will Test Mayweather’s Toughness - WSJ
“You need to put constant pressure on Floyd,” Tyson said. “Be in front of him all the time, but moving side to side and punching from angles. Manny is going to feint Floyd out of position a lot and make him throw more punches than he is used to, and that will open Floyd up.”
Well put Mike.
5/1 Pac KO
11/2 Pac PTS.
Mike Tyson would destroy Vitaly and Wlad mirror. Marvin Hagler would destroy Sergey Kovalev
.at 160 pounds Roberto Duran will destroy GGG.
Mike Tyson has correctly identified what the problem is with modern day fighters. It is something I too have constantly espoused here on this forum. If you don't throw punches you cannot win a fight. nobody ever throws any punches against the Klutchkoes against golovkin against Kovalev. Nobody ever stands in front of them and pressures them for all three minutes of all 12 rounds. This is what is wrong with modern day coward fighters who fight the cautious fight.
Mike Tyson has correctly Spoken that now we will see just how tough little Floyd is. we will see just how tough Kovalev and Golove-butt is if we had any Marvin Hagler if we had any Roberto Durans or Tommy Hearns these days.
Manny Pacquiao will knock out Mayweather. but the cheater Mayweather will cheat badly just before he is knockedt cold and he will throw an elbow with the point of his elbow straight into the wind pipe of Manny to try to get a break in the action. when many iss over with the doctor they will call it an accidental elbow to the wind pipe and it will give little Floyd 10 minutes to recoverr but as soon as the action results Pacquiao absolutely annihilate him this is what Mayweather deserves the little running chicken coward chicken thief. Floyd Mayweather is nothing more than a chicken thief in the night who runs into hen-houses steals the chickens and runs out as fast as he can. Oh god how boxing the sport of boxing will be so much better after the pieces of crap Klitschko and Mayweather are gone from the sport forever.
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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
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Oh, I'm sorry I thought the post said "Tyson on Mayweather" :shakehead:Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Do you have a short attention span or is your reading comprehension just that poor?
I think Pac Man will severely test Floyd but only for 4 rounds at most and then Money Man will take over.
If Pac ko's Mayweather, it might kill me. I just cannot see that happening. Last time Pac got in a real fight and smelled blood, Marquez blasted him. Pac does not want that to happen again, so he isn't going to do anything rash. Like get himself in a fight. He didn't KO Algieri, and he was brought in specifically to get knocked out.
Mayweather doesn't want to get into a fight, either, never has, and is skillful enough to avoid it. I expect that, at best, this could be a good crisp boxing match, at worst very dull.
I love Mike...but he needs to shut the fuck up about "toughness." The fact that he thinks THIS fight will prove how "tough" Mayweather is...:rolleyes:
He doesn't bring up any points about what difficulties Floyd will present to Pac.
What is it, with this, "Manny will win" movement that seems to be growing ?Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
Floyd wins and Floyds win easy.
It seems like all fighters when facing Floyd try the "You know I'm gonna make Floyd fight, if he thinks he can shoulder roll, and feint and throw a few punches and steal rounds and win on a UD, he's got another coming. I'm gonna be on this sucker like a leech, he's gonna feel like I'm handcuffed to him, if he throws one punch, Ima throw three, let's see what Floyd's made of"
But here's the irony, Floyd has looked his best against these guys, think of Gatti, Corrales, Hatton.
I'm telling you, if that Manny's plan, he's gonna get busted up and remember, Floyd is the bigger guy. I see an easy nights work for Floyd.
That's just your personal opinion same as mine is mine.
Smash, bro, People have lost the civility and the grace to disagree with others in a respectful manner and with good etiquette. Look at the nasty lowness of some of the reactions posters have on recent threads when they disagree. People have lost their literacy and good character, and now just react like rude dogs when they read something they don't agree with. It's a sign of the times we're living in.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
It's cool with me and not something I give a flying fuck about and I've seen it all before over an 11 year membership 😉 but this fight will seriously light the fuses of certain members the nearer it gets and the bitching will go crazy - people getting banned etc so it's gonna be hilarious to read some of the future posts.
It will completely take over some posters lives until after the fight 😄
Nah just cowards behind their keyboards. I know only a quarter of guys (maybe even lesser) online would actually speak their minds aggressively if at all in person.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustSmash, bro, People have lost the civility and the grace to disagree with others in a respectful manner and with good etiquette. Look at the nasty lowness of some of the reactions posters have on recent threads when they disagree. People have lost their literacy and good character, and now just react like rude dogs when they read something they don't agree with. It's a sign of the times we're living in.Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
Mike did not say anything new
and here i thought imp was the #1 floyd nut sac holder........you moving in to take the sac.Quote:
Originally Posted by denilson200What is it, with this, "Manny will win" movement that seems to be growing ?Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
Floyd wins and Floyds win easy.
It seems like all fighters when facing Floyd try the "You know I'm gonna make Floyd fight, if he thinks he can shoulder roll, and feint and throw a few punches and steal rounds and win on a UD, he's got another coming. I'm gonna be on this sucker like a leech, he's gonna feel like I'm handcuffed to him, if he throws one punch, Ima throw three, let's see what Floyd's made of"
But here's the irony, Floyd has looked his best against these guys, think of Gatti, Corrales, Hatton.
I'm telling you, if that Manny's plan, he's gonna get busted up and remember, Floyd is the bigger guy. I see an easy nights work for Floyd.
To make it fair, they did not really train for FloydQuote:
Originally Posted by chris6878and here i thought imp was the #1 floyd nut sac holder........you moving in to take the sac.Quote:
Originally Posted by denilson200What is it, with this, "Manny will win" movement that seems to be growing ?Quote:
Originally Posted by smashup
Floyd wins and Floyds win easy.
It seems like all fighters when facing Floyd try the "You know I'm gonna make Floyd fight, if he thinks he can shoulder roll, and feint and throw a few punches and steal rounds and win on a UD, he's got another coming. I'm gonna be on this sucker like a leech, he's gonna feel like I'm handcuffed to him, if he throws one punch, Ima throw three, let's see what Floyd's made of"
But here's the irony, Floyd has looked his best against these guys, think of Gatti, Corrales, Hatton.
I'm telling you, if that Manny's plan, he's gonna get busted up and remember, Floyd is the bigger guy. I see an easy nights work for Floyd.
1. Corrales was not in the best shape, he took Floyd lightly, his tactics was to land a solid punch
2. Gatti, Gatti COULD NOT execute a proper training dedicated to beating a certain fighting style. All he did was to train hard like to any other fight and hope for the best.
3. Hatton - again I did not see any HOMEWORK done for Floyd. Just go and pressure / slug
I really hope Roach would show Manny typical feints and baits of Floyd which even I can see just watching fights. So Manny will be EQUIPPED to deal with them. In this case, it would be a matter of speed and stamina: for how long and how well Floyd would be able to execute his tricks.
You've got the blueprint?! ??? ;D
I start seeing, but I do not want to go deep, I might end up in a rehab just before the fight, you know :)Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
So Manny is on a par with Hatton, Corrales and Gatti now? Gatti was a warrior journeyman, Corrales a skeleton, and Hatton was good but destroyed by Manny. Manny is the best Floyd has ever faced hands down and Floyd has been looking the older of the two recently. I can see the bad blood making Manny want to put a beating on Floyd. How can anyone compare Pac to Gatti? Gatti was tough as nails but Manny is a different class of fighter.
There's a saying in Boxing that history proves is so true "A fighter can get old in the ring"
Some retire before this happens just like Calzaghe did after showing glimpses that his punch resistance was fading (Hopkins then Jones back to back)
Some go on too long and make fools of themselves just like Jones, Holyfield etc
Boxing History is littered with so many examples of this and is anyone seriously trying to say that Mayweather hasn't been showing Big signs that he's slowing down with every fight in the last 2 years and conveniently hand picking slow plodding fighters?
Pacquiao still has an incredible engine and speed, is also a southpaw and can still punch.
And comparing Gatti etc to Pacquiao is ridiculous.
This is Floyds toughest fight to date and he's taking it on at an extremely late stage in his career.
I have nothing but respect for him for taking it because i never thought he would not at this stage of his career but the advantages are largely stacked in Mannys favour.
Like is said i fully expect to see Manny stop Floyd inside the distance :)
Miguel Cotto did very well vs Floyd, his hands are slower, he's got a better jab, and more of a traditional work behind the jab technique but he tried southpaw here and there and Zab Judah had his moments vs Floyd and he's not on Pac's level either.
1 of 2 things happen, #1 Manny connects early and often #2 Floyd's defense is too good. The longer the fight goes the more you have to favor Floyd. I'm not saying Manny needs him out by round 2 or anything, but Manny does need to win the early rounds and at the very least score a knockdown if it goes the distance
I agree, People have not noticed that floyd was bullied around by maidana. The younger "pretty boy" version of floyd would have destroyed maidana, with no need of a rematch. THis is the older pot shot floyd. If Mannty fights like Manny then floyd is in for some shit. If manny fights like all the other floyd victims he will lose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
What yall think wouldve happened if zab and or shane couldve kept the same pace from rounds 1-5 to round 12? They both took it to floyd and gassed out. Everyone wants to credit floyds adjustments, but they fail to mention that zab and shane both pretty much stopped punching, same for oscar.
If manny realizes he can take floyds punches, and fights all 12 rounds I see manny taking floyd out. If manny gasses out early (which he never has!) Then I see floyd taking it on points.
Pac hasn't scored a stoppage in his last NINE fights, now hes gona KO Floyd? Wow.
If you think Pac has a shot on points then some kind of argument can be made for that but hes not gona stop Mayweather.
Pac took his foot off the gas vs Mosley and Margarito could have stopped both of them
Tyson is a fan of Pac, not of PBF.
Well wouldn't Pac remind him of how he fought in his prime? Pressure, fast hands, and big power?Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
Floyd should be able to counter Manny, but if the Pac Man gets an angle on him because Floyd's legs aren't as good as they once were* then it's going to get real interesting real quick
* Just based on age, natural wear and tear
I agree with you. Re-watched the Cotto fight and boy did Cotto make him work. Floyd threw 687 punches, thats 57 per round which is alot more than Floyd's usual comfort zone of 30-40 punches per round.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Manny has a higher work rate than Cotto and doesn't slow down either so Floyd may not have such an easy night as some may think. But I do think Floyd will be too smart for manny and have him confused with counters, to then go on and win a UD.
Watching the smaller guys fighting Floyd, JMM couldn't catch him, so that got me worried a bit. But then, I watched Hatton and he did get Floyd few times and even rocked him once, I think it was on the 1st or 2nd round, but he took a lot of shot on the way. Offensively, Pac is better than both of them so I'd say he does have a chance. My only concern is that whether Pac still have his old punch resistance or did it go down after the great KO? If not, I think he will be in trouble but if he is still the same ol' pac, he'd at least give a good fight...
Yes you've got it. Floyd gives away early rounds lately. They are there for the taking.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Ill be very surprised if this fight does not go the distance, which favors Mayweather.
What I don't understand is how people are so confident that Floyd gets KO'd. Where's the evidence to even suggest that is a possibility? He's never been beat and never looked like getting KO'd. Even when Moseley had him in a spot of bother, his recovery was exceptional, I think he even went on to win that round. Does that not prove his toughness a little?
Trust me, just because Floyd is as defensively good as he is, DO NOT be fooled into thinking he ain't tough.
If people think that Pac could win on points, I can understand that (although not agree.) he throws a lot of punches , has an awkward style for Floyd to work out and good work rate.
But for me, it's Floyd on points all day long, and I think it will be one for the purists, don't expect it to be exciting or gung ho!
I agree with you on that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
I actually think khan gives mayweather more problems with his pitty pat in and out style and fast hands that will steal rounds, which will lead to mayweather having to attack. Or maybe i'm just overrating khan and mayweather is a different class and just picks him off and stops him.
I agree that Floyd will likely lose the early rounds (a KD maybe?), but after watching Algieri get that right hand lead through quite consistently to Pac's face (till Algieri got dropped 5 or 6 times), I imagine Floyd doing the same and better and more often.
It's going to be the case with all big time boxing events you're looking for momentum, who grabs it first, who can hold on to it, and who can implement their strategy best. Floyd will probably look to make a statement/scare Manny with something in round 1, be it a sharp power punch, or a speedy flurry, but you better believe that Pac will be looking to land hard and early in return. Whoever gets that first good hard connect will start with the momentum, then it boils down to how does the opponent take it, does it make them think, does it change their fight plan.
Floyd is certainly going to do the Ali, RJJ, tactic of landing a big clean shot in round 1 to get Manny thinking or to get him pissed off and try and get him swinging wildly.
Algieri worked out that pac majority of the time comes in with 2 jabs followed by the straight left and managed to time the jabs and land right hands before pac got to throw the left. But the problem was that algieri would still be in punching range when he pivoted out and would move into pac's right hook. Floyd should do what marquez did which was a simple step back, counter and escape.Quote:
Originally Posted by goti71
it's a great tactic. My trainer always told us to throw 2 really stiff jabs as your first punches of the fight to get the guy thinking even if your not the biggest puncher make him think you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
I think this is the first time in a long time Mayweather will be in the ring with someone who is 1. not afraid of him. 2. someone that has institutional backing from the bigshots in the boxing game. and 3. someone that is of the elite calibre that Manny is, that can move and throw 7 punch combinations at will.
Floyd faced fighters with one or two of those three intangibles before... Guerrero was unafraid, but clearly didn't not have the skills to compete... Oscar had the institutional backing and was also unafraid of Floyd, but was clearly over the hill by the time he fought Floyd... Floyd fought Ortiz, and it isn't saying much, but Ortiz was in awe of Floyd for the most part and got clocked as a result, and even if it went to a 12 round decision, Ortiz chances of winning diminished- in fact, his chances of winning, regardless of the punch out put and the compubox numbers and/or scoring one or two knockdowns, got smaller round after round.
Manny is all three of those intangibles. All three. Plus a Southpaw.
I agree with almost everything you said, but I'm hoping for some good exchanges. I'm hoping Manny can do enough to force Floyd into a fight where he's uncomfortable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Truthfully, I want both these fighters to win.
I like Manny's style much more than Floyd's, but I still want to see Floyd get that undefeated record. Floyd needs this fight and two more.
Don't you want to see some real boxing history made, a record that could last 60yrs or more.
What a story it would be if Manny won. Wow! Manny could become the uncrowned king of the Philippines.
High drama y'all, I need a drink of water and some down time. Lololololololololololo!!!!
Mannnnny Pacquiaaaaaooooo. The uncrowned king of the Philippines!!!
Come on y'all, let's have some fun!
Anyone who genuinely think Pac Man will beat Floyd is a moron. The closer we get to the fight the more morons we will see.
I am not saying Floyd will win easy. He will have to work for his victory but he will adjust, change up gears and win.