Tyson/JCC on Mayweather - We’re going to see how tough he is

[chris6878]

Gotta say i agree with Tyson here and have made no secret that i have Pacquiao as favourite to not only win but stop Floyd inside the distance!

Tyson: Pacquiao Will Test Mayweather’s Toughness - WSJ

What is it, with this, "Manny will win" movement that seems to be growing ?

Floyd wins and Floyds win easy.

It seems like all fighters when facing Floyd try the "You know I'm gonna make Floyd fight, if he thinks he can shoulder roll, and feint and throw a few punches and steal rounds and win on a UD, he's got another coming. I'm gonna be on this sucker like a leech, he's gonna feel like I'm handcuffed to him, if he throws one punch, Ima throw three, let's see what Floyd's made of"

But here's the irony, Floyd has looked his best against these guys, think of Gatti, Corrales, Hatton.

I'm telling you, if that Manny's plan, he's gonna get busted up and remember, Floyd is the bigger guy. I see an easy nights work for Floyd.

and here i thought imp was the #1 floyd nut sac holder........you moving in to take the sac.

[SugarBoxing]

Gotta say i agree with Tyson here and have made no secret that i have Pacquiao as favourite to not only win but stop Floyd inside the distance!

Tyson: Pacquiao Will Test Mayweather’s Toughness - WSJ

What is it, with this, "Manny will win" movement that seems to be growing ?

Floyd wins and Floyds win easy.

It seems like all fighters when facing Floyd try the "You know I'm gonna make Floyd fight, if he thinks he can shoulder roll, and feint and throw a few punches and steal rounds and win on a UD, he's got another coming. I'm gonna be on this sucker like a leech, he's gonna feel like I'm handcuffed to him, if he throws one punch, Ima throw three, let's see what Floyd's made of"

But here's the irony, Floyd has looked his best against these guys, think of Gatti, Corrales, Hatton.

I'm telling you, if that Manny's plan, he's gonna get busted up and remember, Floyd is the bigger guy. I see an easy nights work for Floyd.

and here i thought imp was the #1 floyd nut sac holder........you moving in to take the sac.

To make it fair, they did not really train for Floyd

1. Corrales was not in the best shape, he took Floyd lightly, his tactics was to land a solid punch

2. Gatti, Gatti COULD NOT execute a proper training dedicated to beating a certain fighting style. All he did was to train hard like to any other fight and hope for the best.

3. Hatton - again I did not see any HOMEWORK done for Floyd. Just go and pressure / slug

I really hope Roach would show Manny typical feints and baits of Floyd which even I can see just watching fights. So Manny will be EQUIPPED to deal with them. In this case, it would be a matter of speed and stamina: for how long and how well Floyd would be able to execute his tricks.

[AdamGB]

You've got the blueprint?!

[SugarBoxing]

You've got the blueprint?!

I start seeing, but I do not want to go deep, I might end up in a rehab just before the fight, you know

[Gandalf]

So Manny is on a par with Hatton, Corrales and Gatti now? Gatti was a warrior journeyman, Corrales a skeleton, and Hatton was good but destroyed by Manny. Manny is the best Floyd has ever faced hands down and Floyd has been looking the older of the two recently. I can see the bad blood making Manny want to put a beating on Floyd. How can anyone compare Pac to Gatti? Gatti was tough as nails but Manny is a different class of fighter.

[SugarBoxing]

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[smashup]

There's a saying in Boxing that history proves is so true "A fighter can get old in the ring"

Some retire before this happens just like Calzaghe did after showing glimpses that his punch resistance was fading (Hopkins then Jones back to back)

Some go on too long and make fools of themselves just like Jones, Holyfield etc

Boxing History is littered with so many examples of this and is anyone seriously trying to say that Mayweather hasn't been showing Big signs that he's slowing down with every fight in the last 2 years and conveniently hand picking slow plodding fighters?

Pacquiao still has an incredible engine and speed, is also a southpaw and can still punch.

And comparing Gatti etc to Pacquiao is ridiculous.

This is Floyds toughest fight to date and he's taking it on at an extremely late stage in his career.

I have nothing but respect for him for taking it because i never thought he would not at this stage of his career but the advantages are largely stacked in Mannys favour.


Like is said i fully expect to see Manny stop Floyd inside the distance

[chris6878]

So Manny is on a par with Hatton, Corrales and Gatti now? Gatti was a warrior journeyman, Corrales a skeleton, and Hatton was good but destroyed by Manny. Manny is the best Floyd has ever faced hands down and Floyd has been looking the older of the two recently. I can see the bad blood making Manny want to put a beating on Floyd. How can anyone compare Pac to Gatti? Gatti was tough as nails but Manny is a different class of fighter.

I agree, People have not noticed that floyd was bullied around by maidana. The younger "pretty boy" version of floyd would have destroyed maidana, with no need of a rematch. THis is the older pot shot floyd. If Mannty fights like Manny then floyd is in for some shit. If manny fights like all the other floyd victims he will lose.

What yall think wouldve happened if zab and or shane couldve kept the same pace from rounds 1-5 to round 12? They both took it to floyd and gassed out. Everyone wants to credit floyds adjustments, but they fail to mention that zab and shane both pretty much stopped punching, same for oscar.

If manny realizes he can take floyds punches, and fights all 12 rounds I see manny taking floyd out. If manny gasses out early (which he never has!) Then I see floyd taking it on points.

[J_C]

Pac hasn't scored a stoppage in his last NINE fights, now hes gona KO Floyd? Wow.

If you think Pac has a shot on points then some kind of argument can be made for that but hes not gona stop Mayweather.

[El Kabong]

Miguel Cotto did very well vs Floyd, his hands are slower, he's got a better jab, and more of a traditional work behind the jab technique but he tried southpaw here and there and Zab Judah had his moments vs Floyd and he's not on Pac's level either.

1 of 2 things happen, #1 Manny connects early and often #2 Floyd's defense is too good. The longer the fight goes the more you have to favor Floyd. I'm not saying Manny needs him out by round 2 or anything, but Manny does need to win the early rounds and at the very least score a knockdown if it goes the distance

[Manos de Piedra]

Miguel Cotto did very well vs Floyd, his hands are slower, he's got a better jab, and more of a traditional work behind the jab technique but he tried southpaw here and there and Zab Judah had his moments vs Floyd and he's not on Pac's level either.

1 of 2 things happen, #1 Manny connects early and often #2 Floyd's defense is too good. The longer the fight goes the more you have to favor Floyd. I'm not saying Manny needs him out by round 2 or anything, but Manny does need to win the early rounds and at the very least score a knockdown if it goes the distance

I agree with you. Re-watched the Cotto fight and boy did Cotto make him work. Floyd threw 687 punches, thats 57 per round which is alot more than Floyd's usual comfort zone of 30-40 punches per round.
Manny has a higher work rate than Cotto and doesn't slow down either so Floyd may not have such an easy night as some may think. But I do think Floyd will be too smart for manny and have him confused with counters, to then go on and win a UD.

[pacfan]

Watching the smaller guys fighting Floyd, JMM couldn't catch him, so that got me worried a bit. But then, I watched Hatton and he did get Floyd few times and even rocked him once, I think it was on the 1st or 2nd round, but he took a lot of shot on the way. Offensively, Pac is better than both of them so I'd say he does have a chance. My only concern is that whether Pac still have his old punch resistance or did it go down after the great KO? If not, I think he will be in trouble but if he is still the same ol' pac, he'd at least give a good fight...

[Hulk]

Miguel Cotto did very well vs Floyd, his hands are slower, he's got a better jab, and more of a traditional work behind the jab technique but he tried southpaw here and there and Zab Judah had his moments vs Floyd and he's not on Pac's level either.

1 of 2 things happen, #1 Manny connects early and often #2 Floyd's defense is too good. The longer the fight goes the more you have to favor Floyd. I'm not saying Manny needs him out by round 2 or anything, but Manny does need to win the early rounds and at the very least score a knockdown if it goes the distance

Yes you've got it. Floyd gives away early rounds lately. They are there for the taking.

Ill be very surprised if this fight does not go the distance, which favors Mayweather.

[Primo Carnera]

What I don't understand is how people are so confident that Floyd gets KO'd. Where's the evidence to even suggest that is a possibility? He's never been beat and never looked like getting KO'd. Even when Moseley had him in a spot of bother, his recovery was exceptional, I think he even went on to win that round. Does that not prove his toughness a little?
Trust me, just because Floyd is as defensively good as he is, DO NOT be fooled into thinking he ain't tough.
If people think that Pac could win on points, I can understand that (although not agree.) he throws a lot of punches , has an awkward style for Floyd to work out and good work rate.
But for me, it's Floyd on points all day long, and I think it will be one for the purists, don't expect it to be exciting or gung ho!

[Manos de Piedra]

What I don't understand is how people are so confident that Floyd gets KO'd. Where's the evidence to even suggest that is a possibility? He's never been beat and never looked like getting KO'd. Even when Moseley had him in a spot of bother, his recovery was exceptional, I think he even went on to win that round. Does that not prove his toughness a little?
Trust me, just because Floyd is as defensively good as he is, DO NOT be fooled into thinking he ain't tough.
If people think that Pac could win on points, I can understand that (although not agree.) he throws a lot of punches , has an awkward style for Floyd to work out and good work rate.
But for me, it's Floyd on points all day long, and I think it will be one for the purists, don't expect it to be exciting or gung ho!

I agree with you on that.
I actually think khan gives mayweather more problems with his pitty pat in and out style and fast hands that will steal rounds, which will lead to mayweather having to attack. Or maybe i'm just overrating khan and mayweather is a different class and just picks him off and stops him.