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Ward v Froch - negotiations underway says Hearn
Can't say i'm looking forward to this at all, it's an ugly fight and Ward will simply run rings round the Cobra unless the inactivity has seriously slowed him down in the last few years:-\
Either way it's just gonna be cool to see our top Warrior back in action.
Andre Ward vs. Carl Froch negotiations underway, says Hearn
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I like it. Great to hear, hopefully Ward's camp doesnt add drama and make it happen, like real quick.
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Complete mismatch. Ward dominated him with one hand last time. Give him 2, yikes.
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I do not think it will be a mis match because ward has been inactive, fighting in the UK with a British ref :), Froch fully motivated for revenge. I think it will be a closer contest than their first fight.
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I might be wrong, but Hearn talking Dogshit here cos he's struggling to get his big summer spectacle. This won't happen and Quigg v Frampton is unlikely as well.
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I might be wrong, but Hearn talking Dogshit here cos he's struggling to get his big summer spectacle. This won't happen and Quigg v Frampton is unlikely as well.
I think you are right, I think they will pretend to make an attempt to drum up interest but have no real intention to make this fight. I am sure Froch would love to avenge his loss to Ward.
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I do not think this fight will happen. If it does I do not believe the inactivity will hurt Ward at all and he will win again by decision.
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Froch cant beat ward.
I like froch but he has to settle for 2nd place in this era.
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it was 8-4 last time, not a complete domination by any means
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it was 8-4 last time, not a complete domination by any means
According to one judge , Canelo got a draw against Mayweather. Was that a complete domination?
Ward totally Schooled him.
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Froch spent the whole fight chasing Wards shadow, completely outboxed!
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Things have changed since they last fought and it is good to have the rematch at least Froch can not be accused of avoiding Ward.
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erics44
it was 8-4 last time, not a complete domination by any means
it was more like 10-2. No way Froch won 4 rounds without generosity.
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Things have changed since they last fought and it is good to have the rematch at least Froch can not be accused of avoiding Ward.
Hang on a minute, we've only got Hearn's word that there are talks in place. As far as I'm concerned, for a guy who supposedly is a warrior who takes on everyone, there's quite a few fights out there he doesn't want for a variety of reasons.
Infact, the only fight I've heard him say he wants is an overblown MW with no title and that's only because for some crazy unknown reason apart from his name the Americans/Mexicans see him as a PPV fighter .
Let's make it clear, they don't see Froch as a PPV fighter.
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I think Froch will have learned a lot from his fights with Groves. I think this could be a very good fight if in England. I still think Froch loses a decision but could be a more competitive fight this time. Hopefully it can be another big crowd in Wembley.
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Master
Things have changed since they last fought and it is good to have the rematch at least Froch can not be accused of avoiding Ward.
Hang on a minute, we've only got Hearn's word that there are talks in place. As far as I'm concerned, for a guy who supposedly is a warrior who takes on everyone, there's quite a few fights out there he doesn't want for a variety of reasons.
Infact, the only fight I've heard him say he wants is an overblown MW with no title and that's only because for some crazy unknown reason apart from his name the Americans/Mexicans see him as a PPV fighter .
Let's make it clear, they don't see Froch as a PPV fighter.
There is no other big fight that Froch can make at this moment in time except Ward and that has to be in the UK for carl to win.
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Primo Carnera
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Master
Things have changed since they last fought and it is good to have the rematch at least Froch can not be accused of avoiding Ward.
Hang on a minute, we've only got Hearn's word that there are talks in place. As far as I'm concerned, for a guy who supposedly is a warrior who takes on everyone, there's quite a few fights out there he doesn't want for a variety of reasons.
Infact, the only fight I've heard him say he wants is an overblown MW with no title and that's only because for some crazy unknown reason apart from his name the Americans/Mexicans see him as a PPV fighter .
Let's make it clear, they don't see Froch as a PPV fighter.
I dont really get your point. Frochs last 2 fights were PPVs and were bot successful. I dont rate Froch at all and think hes so average and a cunt so no biased from me but who is he ducking? Degale? Maybe but more likely is he wants a big fight in Vegas, which is why he targeted Chavez.
Froch is old now and close to retirement. He has won a world title and fought the best in the division. Its a perfectly acceptable notion that as a boy he dreamed to fight in a big fight in Vegas. Ward may be able to deliver that but hes certainly not a PPV star. Degale couldnt do that either. GGG possibly could but looks determined to stay in MW. Outside that who is there? Maybe one of the Dirrells?
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Master
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Primo Carnera
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Master
Things have changed since they last fought and it is good to have the rematch at least Froch can not be accused of avoiding Ward.
Hang on a minute, we've only got Hearn's word that there are talks in place. As far as I'm concerned, for a guy who supposedly is a warrior who takes on everyone, there's quite a few fights out there he doesn't want for a variety of reasons.
Infact, the only fight I've heard him say he wants is an overblown MW with no title and that's only because for some crazy unknown reason apart from his name the Americans/Mexicans see him as a PPV fighter .
Let's make it clear, they don't see Froch as a PPV fighter.
There is no other big fight that Froch can make at this moment in time except Ward and that has to be in the UK for carl to win.
Gotta disagree. Why is Chavez a bigger fight than Degale for a World Title. Who has Chavez beat at SMW? Is Chavez a bigger fight than Golovkin? Is Chavez a bigger fight than unification fights like Abraham and Dirrell? I'm sure the governing bodies would've waived the mandatories if Froch had kept his title and wanted to unify. Is Chavez a bigger fight than Hopkins or Kovalev?
In reality Froch is looking for what he thinks is an easy opponent for good money , not the best though(other fights could earn him more.).
People say "he deserves it", but if you put yourself up there as the best (and he regularly says that), then you should fight the best. Why should people shell out for a meaningless fight like Chavez?
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Only one that can give ward any issues is a prime calzaghe and that will never happen.
Ward is in the gym every single day and is constantly keeping himself fit with sparring etc...
Ward is still the man to beat and just imagine if froch could do it in his hometown as his last fight..epic!
Ward has already beat froch 10-2 with a broken hand...froch knows how good ward is thats why he wants a big payday with Chavez and I cant blame him.
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Primo Carnera
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Master
Things have changed since they last fought and it is good to have the rematch at least Froch can not be accused of avoiding Ward.
Hang on a minute, we've only got Hearn's word that there are talks in place. As far as I'm concerned, for a guy who supposedly is a warrior who takes on everyone, there's quite a few fights out there he doesn't want for a variety of reasons.
Infact, the only fight I've heard him say he wants is an overblown MW with no title and that's only because for some crazy unknown reason apart from his name the Americans/Mexicans see him as a PPV fighter .
Let's make it clear, they don't see Froch as a PPV fighter.
I dont really get your point. Frochs last 2 fights were PPVs and were bot successful. I dont rate Froch at all and think hes so average and a cunt so no biased from me but who is he ducking? Degale? Maybe but more likely is he wants a big fight in Vegas, which is why he targeted Chavez.
Froch is old now and close to retirement. He has won a world title and fought the best in the division. Its a perfectly acceptable notion that as a boy he dreamed to fight in a big fight in Vegas. Ward may be able to deliver that but hes certainly not a PPV star. Degale couldnt do that either. GGG possibly could but looks determined to stay in MW. Outside that who is there? Maybe one of the Dirrells?
My point is either fight a meaningful fight or retire. As you can see, I'm not a fan of Froch, but I have to say that as it stands at this moment, he is no.1 in the division. I'm not prepared to think about Ward till he has a date for a fight and a named opponent.
With that being the case, why should he beg a guy to fight him who in the ring has done fuck all in the division? Because of his "dream to top the bill in Vegas!" It's a fucking circus act and a pisstake really.
And let's be honest, the reason his last 2 fights were PPV (in a land where Bellew v Cleverley is deemed worthy of PPV let's not forget.) is down to Groves whether we like him or not. Groves hyped it up and because in the 1st fight he did everything he said he'd do , the 2nd became irresistible.
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it was 8-4 last time, not a complete domination by any means
According to one judge , Canelo got a draw against Mayweather. Was that a complete domination?
Ward totally Schooled him.
no he didnt
you are just bumming ward
why do people bum ward so much
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it was 8-4 last time, not a complete domination by any means
it was more like 10-2. No way Froch won 4 rounds without generosity.
yeah he did, theres no way ward won 10 rounds without bumming him
and anyway, lets see ward come to england
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Ward schooled Froch.
Have you even seen the fight?
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Ward schooled Froch.
Have you even seen the fight?
yep
if you call schooling winning 8-4 then he definately schooled him
still i dont know why people bum him, its not the sweet science and it isnt exciting, its just grappling, land a punch on the way in
yeah hes top at landing a punch then stopping his opponent punching
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Ward schooled Froch.
Have you even seen the fight?
yep
if you call schooling winning 8-4 then he definately schooled him
still i dont know why people bum him, its not the sweet science and it isnt exciting, its just grappling, land a punch on the way in
yeah hes top at landing a punch then stopping his opponent punching
I'm not Bumming Ward, I don't really want to consider him till he fights again because he's too inactive. But in the Froch fight, all I can remember is Froch blocking punches all night long with his face and not having an answer to it, and then when he thought he would be stronger on the inside, Ward outstrengthed him as well. Just how Virgil Hunter said he would before the fight.
It's not cos I think Ward is some superhero, more the fact that Froch is overrated as a boxer really.
Froch does have some good points in his defence , Granite chin, perfect fitness and conditioning for that weight ,but technically he's pretty poor.
Finally , I do understand people saying Froch has a better chance because of Ward's inactivity, but let's not forget that Froch hasn't fought for a year and at 37 that can't be a positive.
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Primo Carnera
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erics44
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smashup
Ward schooled Froch.
Have you even seen the fight?
yep
if you call schooling winning 8-4 then he definately schooled him
still i dont know why people bum him, its not the sweet science and it isnt exciting, its just grappling, land a punch on the way in
yeah hes top at landing a punch then stopping his opponent punching
I'm not Bumming Ward, I don't really want to consider him till he fights again because he's too inactive. But in the Froch fight, all I can remember is Froch blocking punches all night long with his face and not having an answer to it, and then when he thought he would be stronger on the inside, Ward outstrengthed him as well. Just how Virgil Hunter said he would before the fight.
It's not cos I think Ward is some superhero, more the fact that Froch is overrated as a boxer really.
Froch does have some good points in his defence , Granite chin, perfect fitness and conditioning for that weight ,but technically he's pretty poor.
Finally , I do understand people saying Froch has a better chance because of Ward's inactivity, but let's not forget that Froch hasn't fought for a year and at 37 that can't be a positive.
Froch cant be that poor techincally, hes beaten everyone he has fought appart from ward, all the top fighters in a strong division for the last so many years
you dont do that if youre poor technically
ward beat froch, but he didnt school him, he threw punches on the way in and then grappled so froch couldnt hit him back, its the way ward fights
yes hes very good at it and will be very hard to beat
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Froch admission himself he can't beat Ward and it was only last month he said he didn't want to fight him again because he simply can't win.
Like I said it's an ugly fight and Froch was totally clueless last time and imo schooled.
He hardly landed anything all night and was technically exposed.
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Things have changed since they last fought and it is good to have the rematch at least Froch can not be accused of avoiding Ward.
Master, some of you posts make me giggle. Stop it!
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erics44
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Primo Carnera
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erics44
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smashup
Ward schooled Froch.
Have you even seen the fight?
yep
if you call schooling winning 8-4 then he definately schooled him
still i dont know why people bum him, its not the sweet science and it isnt exciting, its just grappling, land a punch on the way in
yeah hes top at landing a punch then stopping his opponent punching
I'm not Bumming Ward, I don't really want to consider him till he fights again because he's too inactive. But in the Froch fight, all I can remember is Froch blocking punches all night long with his face and not having an answer to it, and then when he thought he would be stronger on the inside, Ward outstrengthed him as well. Just how Virgil Hunter said he would before the fight.
It's not cos I think Ward is some superhero, more the fact that Froch is overrated as a boxer really.
Froch does have some good points in his defence , Granite chin, perfect fitness and conditioning for that weight ,but technically he's pretty poor.
Finally , I do understand people saying Froch has a better chance because of Ward's inactivity, but let's not forget that Froch hasn't fought for a year and at 37 that can't be a positive.
Froch cant be that poor techincally, hes beaten everyone he has fought appart from ward, all the top fighters in a strong division for the last so many years
you dont do that if youre poor technically
ward beat froch, but he didnt school him, he threw punches on the way in and then grappled so froch couldnt hit him back, its the way ward fights
yes hes very good at it and will be very hard to beat
1. it's not a strong division is it? when it was a strong division (super six) he got beat by Ward , he got beat by Kessler, arguably got outboxed by Dirrell and was losing on the scorecards against a blown up MW (Taylor)with 14 seconds to go . He was only in the final because Kessler was injured ffs.
he beat a raw Pascal , and another blown up MW at the time (Abraham) .btw , technically that was his best performance of the whole series I'll give him that.
he also got outboxed by Groves (who wasn't and isn't proven at World level) . the reason he beat these guys is not technical ability , it is his Heart, Conditioning and Chin.
I've always given him those attributes , but technically , he has a decent jab which he used very well in his last fight and that's it.
Watch again, because Ward Boxed Froch's face off. Every time he came forward , Ward plugged him straight on the nose, it was embarrassing. His face was like a beetroot after 2 rounds.
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smashup
Froch admission himself he can't beat Ward and it was only last month he said he didn't want to fight him again because he simply can't win.
Like I said it's an ugly fight and Froch was totally clueless last time and imo schooled.
He hardly landed anything all night and was technically exposed.
have you got evidence of froch saying this?
seems like a bit too a damning and wide of the mark statement to be taken seriously
when boxing fans dont like a fighter they often go over the top on how shit he is to try and make a point
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Primo Carnera
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erics44
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Primo Carnera
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erics44
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smashup
Ward schooled Froch.
Have you even seen the fight?
yep
if you call schooling winning 8-4 then he definately schooled him
still i dont know why people bum him, its not the sweet science and it isnt exciting, its just grappling, land a punch on the way in
yeah hes top at landing a punch then stopping his opponent punching
I'm not Bumming Ward, I don't really want to consider him till he fights again because he's too inactive. But in the Froch fight, all I can remember is Froch blocking punches all night long with his face and not having an answer to it, and then when he thought he would be stronger on the inside, Ward outstrengthed him as well. Just how Virgil Hunter said he would before the fight.
It's not cos I think Ward is some superhero, more the fact that Froch is overrated as a boxer really.
Froch does have some good points in his defence , Granite chin, perfect fitness and conditioning for that weight ,but technically he's pretty poor.
Finally , I do understand people saying Froch has a better chance because of Ward's inactivity, but let's not forget that Froch hasn't fought for a year and at 37 that can't be a positive.
Froch cant be that poor techincally, hes beaten everyone he has fought appart from ward, all the top fighters in a strong division for the last so many years
you dont do that if youre poor technically
ward beat froch, but he didnt school him, he threw punches on the way in and then grappled so froch couldnt hit him back, its the way ward fights
yes hes very good at it and will be very hard to beat
1. it's not a strong division is it? when it was a strong division (super six) he got beat by Ward , he got beat by Kessler, arguably got outboxed by Dirrell and was losing on the scorecards against a blown up MW (Taylor)with 14 seconds to go . He was only in the final because Kessler was injured ffs.
he beat a raw Pascal , and another blown up MW at the time (Abraham) .btw , technically that was his best performance of the whole series I'll give him that.
he also got outboxed by Groves (who wasn't and isn't proven at World level) . the reason he beat these guys is not technical ability , it is his Heart, Conditioning and Chin.
I've always given him those attributes , but technically , he has a decent jab which he used very well in his last fight and that's it.
Watch again, because Ward Boxed Froch's face off. Every time he came forward , Ward plugged him straight on the nose, it was embarrassing. His face was like a beetroot after 2 rounds.
how ever you look at it he beat taylor, dirrell, groves, abraham and kessler and all that wasnt just because of his chin and his fitness
everyone said abraham would beat him as well as bute
over the last few years the SMW division has been a strong division, how many divisions have been stronger over that time? name them
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erics44
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Primo Carnera
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erics44
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Primo Carnera
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erics44
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smashup
Ward schooled Froch.
Have you even seen the fight?
yep
if you call schooling winning 8-4 then he definately schooled him
still i dont know why people bum him, its not the sweet science and it isnt exciting, its just grappling, land a punch on the way in
yeah hes top at landing a punch then stopping his opponent punching
I'm not Bumming Ward, I don't really want to consider him till he fights again because he's too inactive. But in the Froch fight, all I can remember is Froch blocking punches all night long with his face and not having an answer to it, and then when he thought he would be stronger on the inside, Ward outstrengthed him as well. Just how Virgil Hunter said he would before the fight.
It's not cos I think Ward is some superhero, more the fact that Froch is overrated as a boxer really.
Froch does have some good points in his defence , Granite chin, perfect fitness and conditioning for that weight ,but technically he's pretty poor.
Finally , I do understand people saying Froch has a better chance because of Ward's inactivity, but let's not forget that Froch hasn't fought for a year and at 37 that can't be a positive.
Froch cant be that poor techincally, hes beaten everyone he has fought appart from ward, all the top fighters in a strong division for the last so many years
you dont do that if youre poor technically
ward beat froch, but he didnt school him, he threw punches on the way in and then grappled so froch couldnt hit him back, its the way ward fights
yes hes very good at it and will be very hard to beat
1. it's not a strong division is it? when it was a strong division (super six) he got beat by Ward , he got beat by Kessler, arguably got outboxed by Dirrell and was losing on the scorecards against a blown up MW (Taylor)with 14 seconds to go . He was only in the final because Kessler was injured ffs.
he beat a raw Pascal , and another blown up MW at the time (Abraham) .btw , technically that was his best performance of the whole series I'll give him that.
he also got outboxed by Groves (who wasn't and isn't proven at World level) . the reason he beat these guys is not technical ability , it is his Heart, Conditioning and Chin.
I've always given him those attributes , but technically , he has a decent jab which he used very well in his last fight and that's it.
Watch again, because Ward Boxed Froch's face off. Every time he came forward , Ward plugged him straight on the nose, it was embarrassing. His face was like a beetroot after 2 rounds.
how ever you look at it he beat taylor, dirrell, groves, abraham and kessler and all that wasnt just because of his chin and his fitness
everyone said abraham would beat him as well as bute
over the last few years the SMW division has been a strong division, how many divisions have been stronger over that time? name them
Come on , for fucks sake.
1.It was because of his chin and fitness.
2. Who said Abraham would beat him? He'd done fuck all at SMW. Bute ,I'll give you that ,people (me included) thought Bute would beat him. But we saw what Bute was about that night. I admit , I got that one wrong.
3. Welterweight, light Welter, Light Middle, Middle , super featherweight, super bantamweight, have all been stronger than SMW. I thinK you're a bit confused, this isn't the era of Benn, Eubank,Collins, Toney, RJJ, McClelland and McCallum. This is :
Ward - hasn't fought for 2 1/2 years
Froch - hasn't fought for a year
Abraham - blown up MW
Dirrell - beat Sakio Bika ..... And that's it'!!!!
The other Dirrell - had 6 fights in 6 years against nobodies
Kessler - his best days were when Calzaghe beat him. Downhill after that.
Degale - has beat nobody yet - unproven
Groves - has beat Degale and nobody else.- unproven
Stieglitz - do me a fuckin favour
Paul Smith - has had 2 World title shots despite being knocked out twice at British level.
Yeah, this is really the ELITE division!
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BBC Sport - Carl Froch: WBA champion to pursue acting career
Read this and tell me he's interested in fighting Ward! I said that Eddie Hearnwas talking shite!
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erics44
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Primo Carnera
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erics44
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Primo Carnera
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erics44
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smashup
Ward schooled Froch.
Have you even seen the fight?
yep
if you call schooling winning 8-4 then he definately schooled him
still i dont know why people bum him, its not the sweet science and it isnt exciting, its just grappling, land a punch on the way in
yeah hes top at landing a punch then stopping his opponent punching
I'm not Bumming Ward, I don't really want to consider him till he fights again because he's too inactive. But in the Froch fight, all I can remember is Froch blocking punches all night long with his face and not having an answer to it, and then when he thought he would be stronger on the inside, Ward outstrengthed him as well. Just how Virgil Hunter said he would before the fight.
It's not cos I think Ward is some superhero, more the fact that Froch is overrated as a boxer really.
Froch does have some good points in his defence , Granite chin, perfect fitness and conditioning for that weight ,but technically he's pretty poor.
Finally , I do understand people saying Froch has a better chance because of Ward's inactivity, but let's not forget that Froch hasn't fought for a year and at 37 that can't be a positive.
Froch cant be that poor techincally, hes beaten everyone he has fought appart from ward, all the top fighters in a strong division for the last so many years
you dont do that if youre poor technically
ward beat froch, but he didnt school him, he threw punches on the way in and then grappled so froch couldnt hit him back, its the way ward fights
yes hes very good at it and will be very hard to beat
1. it's not a strong division is it? when it was a strong division (super six) he got beat by Ward , he got beat by Kessler, arguably got outboxed by Dirrell and was losing on the scorecards against a blown up MW (Taylor)with 14 seconds to go . He was only in the final because Kessler was injured ffs.
he beat a raw Pascal , and another blown up MW at the time (Abraham) .btw , technically that was his best performance of the whole series I'll give him that.
he also got outboxed by Groves (who wasn't and isn't proven at World level) . the reason he beat these guys is not technical ability , it is his Heart, Conditioning and Chin.
I've always given him those attributes , but technically , he has a decent jab which he used very well in his last fight and that's it.
Watch again, because Ward Boxed Froch's face off. Every time he came forward , Ward plugged him straight on the nose, it was embarrassing. His face was like a beetroot after 2 rounds.
how ever you look at it he beat taylor, dirrell, groves, abraham and kessler and all that wasnt just because of his chin and his fitness
everyone said abraham would beat him as well as bute
over the last few years the SMW division has been a strong division, how many divisions have been stronger over that time? name them
Come on , for fucks sake.
1.It was because of his chin and fitness.
2. Who said Abraham would beat him? He'd done fuck all at SMW. Bute ,I'll give you that ,people (me included) thought Bute would beat him. But we saw what Bute was about that night. I admit , I got that one wrong.
3. Welterweight, light Welter, Light Middle, Middle , super featherweight, super bantamweight, have all been stronger than SMW. I thinK you're a bit confused, this isn't the era of Benn, Eubank,Collins, Toney, RJJ, McClelland and McCallum. This is :
Ward - hasn't fought for 2 1/2 years
Froch - hasn't fought for a year
Abraham - blown up MW
Dirrell - beat Sakio Bika ..... And that's it'!!!!
The other Dirrell - had 6 fights in 6 years against nobodies
Kessler - his best days were when Calzaghe beat him. Downhill after that.
Degale - has beat nobody yet - unproven
Groves - has beat Degale and nobody else.- unproven
Stieglitz - do me a fuckin favour
Paul Smith - has had 2 World title shots despite being knocked out twice at British level.
Yeah, this is really the ELITE division!
You have it all worked out don't you
All those rubbish fighters, none of them fought anyone
Super middles are rubbish coz of Paul smith, that's a fact isn't it?
All of those divisions better than super middle, what a wealth of talent there's been in the middleweight division, and the light welter, all those top fighters fighting each other
Joking aside tho, I'd say over 90% of posters on here said Abraham would beat froch
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Come on guys.
Put yourself in froch shoes.
Do you really think he would want to end his career on another loss?
He wants to retire or take up acting and he even admitted he wants a major money fight in Vegas.!
Why do you think everyone wants Chavez jr?
Froch has decided he has done enough in the sport of boxing and even though he was getting outboxed by groves..he came back at the end of the fight like always in the first fight, and knocked him out in the rematch.
JC never took on young buck like groves towards the end of his career but Froch has proven he will fight anyone anywhere!
Ward beats all eras of Froch and its a shame but that really is a fact.
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Ward schooled Froch.
Have you even seen the fight?
yep
if you call schooling winning 8-4 then he definately schooled him
still i dont know why people bum him, its not the sweet science and it isnt exciting, its just grappling, land a punch on the way in
yeah hes top at landing a punch then stopping his opponent punching
I'm not Bumming Ward, I don't really want to consider him till he fights again because he's too inactive. But in the Froch fight, all I can remember is Froch blocking punches all night long with his face and not having an answer to it, and then when he thought he would be stronger on the inside, Ward outstrengthed him as well. Just how Virgil Hunter said he would before the fight.
It's not cos I think Ward is some superhero, more the fact that Froch is overrated as a boxer really.
Froch does have some good points in his defence , Granite chin, perfect fitness and conditioning for that weight ,but technically he's pretty poor.
Finally , I do understand people saying Froch has a better chance because of Ward's inactivity, but let's not forget that Froch hasn't fought for a year and at 37 that can't be a positive.
Froch cant be that poor techincally, hes beaten everyone he has fought appart from ward, all the top fighters in a strong division for the last so many years
you dont do that if youre poor technically
ward beat froch, but he didnt school him, he threw punches on the way in and then grappled so froch couldnt hit him back, its the way ward fights
yes hes very good at it and will be very hard to beat
1. it's not a strong division is it? when it was a strong division (super six) he got beat by Ward , he got beat by Kessler, arguably got outboxed by Dirrell and was losing on the scorecards against a blown up MW (Taylor)with 14 seconds to go . He was only in the final because Kessler was injured ffs.
he beat a raw Pascal , and another blown up MW at the time (Abraham) .btw , technically that was his best performance of the whole series I'll give him that.
he also got outboxed by Groves (who wasn't and isn't proven at World level) . the reason he beat these guys is not technical ability , it is his Heart, Conditioning and Chin.
I've always given him those attributes , but technically , he has a decent jab which he used very well in his last fight and that's it.
Watch again, because Ward Boxed Froch's face off. Every time he came forward , Ward plugged him straight on the nose, it was embarrassing. His face was like a beetroot after 2 rounds.
how ever you look at it he beat taylor, dirrell, groves, abraham and kessler and all that wasnt just because of his chin and his fitness
everyone said abraham would beat him as well as bute
over the last few years the SMW division has been a strong division, how many divisions have been stronger over that time? name them
Come on , for fucks sake.
1.It was because of his chin and fitness.
2. Who said Abraham would beat him? He'd done fuck all at SMW. Bute ,I'll give you that ,people (me included) thought Bute would beat him. But we saw what Bute was about that night. I admit , I got that one wrong.
3. Welterweight, light Welter, Light Middle, Middle , super featherweight, super bantamweight, have all been stronger than SMW. I thinK you're a bit confused, this isn't the era of Benn, Eubank,Collins, Toney, RJJ, McClelland and McCallum. This is :
Ward - hasn't fought for 2 1/2 years
Froch - hasn't fought for a year
Abraham - blown up MW
Dirrell - beat Sakio Bika ..... And that's it'!!!!
The other Dirrell - had 6 fights in 6 years against nobodies
Kessler - his best days were when Calzaghe beat him. Downhill after that.
Degale - has beat nobody yet - unproven
Groves - has beat Degale and nobody else.- unproven
Stieglitz - do me a fuckin favour
Paul Smith - has had 2 World title shots despite being knocked out twice at British level.
Yeah, this is really the ELITE division!
You have it all worked out don't you
All those rubbish fighters, none of them fought anyone
Super middles are rubbish coz of Paul smith, that's a fact isn't it?
All of those divisions better than super middle, what a wealth of talent there's been in the middleweight division, and the light welter, all those top fighters fighting each other
Joking aside tho, I'd say over 90% of posters on here said Abraham would beat froch
I'll take your word for it. I did say I thought technically the Abraham fight was his best, but now either he fights a meaningful fight (i.e. Not Chavez) or retire. I would respect him if he did retire. His head obviously ain't in it, and if his head ain't in it , he could even lose to Chavez. And he would regret that for the rest of his life.
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Froch, 37, will make his screen debut in a film called Once Upon a Time In London.
The Nottingham fighter has consulted industry legends such as Samuel L Jackson for tips and said he will play a "tough guy or a villain".
"I'll probably be chucking someone in the River Thames," said Froch.
Froch, who admits he is "in a bit of a dilemma" whether he should continue his boxing career, would not be the first fighter to swap the sweat of the gym for the glare of the camera.
Former heavyweight champion Mike Tyson played a cameo role in recent Hollywood hit The Hangover, while Irish former middleweight champion Steve Collins held a minor part in Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels.
"I'm by no stage of the imagination an actor, I don't think you're listening to the next Robert De Niro," Froch told BBC Radio 5 live.
"[Former footballer] Vinnie Jones did well out of it, I think [former Commonwealth diver] Jason Statham did well from no real experience and they've gone on to have good careers.
"When I was on the Jonathan Ross Show I met Sir Ben Kingsley - acting royalty - I've met Samuel L Jackson, Michael Douglas. I've been talking to them and asking how they got into it. Nobody became a superstar overnight.
"A lot of the time they play themselves, so that was the advice: be yourself."
Froch, who has 33 wins from 35 fights, last competed when he knocked out George Groves at Wembley Stadium in May 2014.
He has since appeared on BBC gymnastics show Tumble and said he was envious of former Manchester United striker Dion Dublin, who has landed a role presenting Homes under the Hammer.
He vacated the IBF world title earlier this year and fellow Briton James DeGale will now fight American Andre Dirrell for the belt on 23 May.
Froch added: "The only two things left for me to do would be to fight at the Nottingham Forest City Ground that'll hold 30,000 and they'll be all loyal my fans, or in Las Vegas.
"[Mexico's] Julio Cesar Chavez Junior is fighting in April and that's a fight that could still happen for me in August or September."
You can listen to Carl Froch's interview on BBC 5 live in short.
BBC Sport - Carl Froch: WBA champion to pursue acting career
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Froch interview after the Brook fight
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"Barry Hearn advised him to retire". Sensible and genuine advice IMO .
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I heard about Froch being in a movie and reckon he might actually do well at it 😉