here are your "moderate" Muslims --- real tolerant of others, huh?:rolleyes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0sRmpvdIIk
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here are your "moderate" Muslims --- real tolerant of others, huh?:rolleyes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0sRmpvdIIk
These peasants should go live in muslim only countries and leave the rest of us to live in the civilised world.
Damn that was a catchy tune, Brock, could you film yourself dancing to that one, perhaps wearing a BirkhaQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
How and WHY WHY WHY did a great country like Sweden let in all these ignorant fucking PIGS??!!!
But if I want to emigrate there, OH FUCKING NO!!!! NOT ALLOWED!!!! WTF IS THIS IS THIS WORLD COMING TO???? ALL WRONG DECISIONS.
Don't upset Muslims many would say, if they wish to practice and live a Muslim life style, living
in the West is not the place for them simple.
This is not rocket science, the West is Christine predominantly is it not,! I don't believe in arranged
marriages and treating women as second class citizens.
Sorry but enough is enough, young people leaving to fight in the middle East , if they want to fight
there well then live there.!
Remember I do not wish to live in a Country ruled by theses type of people, extreme views and
praying 6 times a day is not for me.
Any body say's anything against there Religion, some of them act like a pack of mad dogs Sweden
has give theses people a home, if they are not happy fuck off back to your Country of origin.
What a bunch of ungrateful A holes, maybe we are listening to much to there rants deport them
if you can't behave.
Not the most rational reaction, they could have simply walked out. I don't know much about the film but it's clearly made to insult and provoke a reaction by starting with their religious scripture followed by images of naked men. You can understand why they felt insulted but it doesn't justify them going off like that.
one of those body-odor bearded geniuses actually shoved a police officer and yelled "Why didnt you stop the film when I told you to??!!!"
bbbwAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA "WHEN I TOLD YOU TO" BWAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA
WHY DIDNT YOU GET UP OFF YOUR FANATIC IGNORANT ASSHOLE AND WALK THE FUCK OUT?
What was the context of this. They probably knew it was something outrageous. Why didn't they just stay home and practice stuffing explosives on themselves.
People fleeing from war and death, rapes, poor places, no food for an example, I'm more then happy to let them into my country and support them we healthcare and food and ccombination, I wish we could take care of more people, so we could increase the number of people we helping, and I wish they would return when it got better in their own countries too, we sure have some criminals from countries we helped but remember we all humans, we need to look after each other:
Very true X. But it should go both ways. Don't expect a country that may improve your lot in life to change because you have entered it. Show respect for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xwetie
It's a complicated one. I think it is a simple observable fact that the West has done more than its share in trying to degrade Muslim people and has wreaked unimaginable havoc in the Middle East. Yet at the same time there is a radicalism in the Muslim faith that is somewhat akin to Christianity in the Middle Ages. You have two elements of evil and in the cross fire is every moderate Muslim and moderate Westerner. It is very complicated and nobody will back down and more get radicalised as more territories get invaded and war criminals continue to walk free. I don't think only Muslims are getting radicalised. Anybody who has been marginalised is angry and I am only surprised that it never seems to catch a spark. It's easy to blame minority groups for their radicalism, but my shame is in our own elite who run amok unchecked.
Hahaha. Yeah practice in front of your open fire (desert simulation) and do something productive for once.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
@Andre hey mate we are seeing the news these days about a huge anti-Sharia rally in Australia, did you join that thing???? Send some photos if you did!!! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by AndreHahaha. Yeah practice in front of your open fire (desert simulation) and do something productive for once.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
Biting the hand that feeds you,! never a truer saying so it was a ant-Islamic movie why go
and watch then start ranting.
Just like myself going to a vegan restaurant, and ranting I want a steak really stupid they
simple went to the movie to make trouble.
Remember people we have many guests in our country, and they slag off the West which
has feed and housed them, nothing is good enough they show no respect for OUR WAY
OF LIFE, maybe we are a easy touch or we are stupid take your pick.
the shit always infects the good, the good normally cannot infect the shit.
It is pretty basic. Kindness is weakness. It will be met with further belligerence and aggression for as long as you keep turning the other cheek.
Jesus was full of shit; turning the other cheek will only get you slapped silly. Angry Anderson was correct; you fight violence with violence.
Jesus meant that do not let evil manipulate you. If you are punched to be provoked - better turn the other cheek.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
Quote:
Originally Posted by NVSeminJesus meant that do not let evil manipulate you. If you are punched to be provoked - better turn the other cheek.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
When u say Jesus said , you actually mean which ever fictional writer said that.
Big AL has hit the nail on the head here and so has GREY. There were actually three different men named Jesus. They all lived at the same time. one was the bastard child of the supposed Virgin Mary hahaha and a Roman Centurian named pAndera. ...another Jesus was a Jewish rabbi from Nazareth who went to Egypt to study black magic and sorcery and came back to trick the people. There are two separate entries in the Jewish Talmud about these two separate Jesus people. Over time the antics and the actions and the life stories of both of these two separate people named Jesus slowly mixed together into one fictitious character who performed and said things that both of these men said combined. A third Jesus was the Teacher of Righteousness who lived among the Essenes and who preached in the desert. Gospels from writers that lived at the same time as this teacher of righteousness have been found in Egypt and they are called the Gnostic Gospels.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlQuote:
Originally Posted by NVSeminJesus meant that do not let evil manipulate you. If you are punched to be provoked - better turn the other cheek.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
When u say Jesus said , you actually mean which ever fictional writer said that.
three men named Yeshua but only one fantastic Mystikal individual man came out of it and all the facts and stories of the three men are now attributed to this fictional character. To make matters worse at the Council of Nicea about 300 years later the Romans really f***** things up and further tweaked and edited and took great liberties with the stories for political reasons and to streamline the religion. What an absolute crock of s***.
Freedom of religion v freedom of speech both have rights and responsibilities. Deliberately insulting someone to provoke a reaction should also not be tolerated.
I just got to watch the film....they used Electric 6 as the music, nice, they rock.
People are entitled to their religious beliefs, hopefully those beliefs do more good than bad. The way I think is that all of us as humans should meet on the level of respect, understanding, the Golden Rule treating others as you would like them to treat you. People need to divorce themselves from the manmade structures of religion and listen to what is in their hearts rather than be incited by the actions of others. I understand that The Catholic Church has a history of evil shit that they've covered up and whatnot and I'm sure other manmade institutions of religion have done similarly....but my faith, my beliefs, are not some vast manmade politically motivated organization, it is for nothing else but to make me a better person, I do not always succeed in that goal, but that is always the aim.
As much as I try to always maintain mutual respect in this world, I will not go so far as to say that there should be LAWS requiring respect. There should be no law against "hurting one's feelings". I actually am an enemy of hurting peoples' feelings or people hurting mine, but as much as I detest it, I will not go so far as to ever try to legislate something against it.
I believe we are free to hurt peoples' feelings. We should not do it, but we should be free to do it if we want. That is why I am totally against political correctness. Absolute bullshit.
(Im not saying Lyle said anything, my post is just next in this thread)
Wrong. But what the heck, I'll just let it goQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustBig AL has hit the nail on the head here and so has GREY. There were actually three different men named Jesus. They all lived at the same time. one was the bastard child of the supposed Virgin Mary hahaha and a Roman Centurian named pAndera. ...another Jesus was a Jewish rabbi from Nazareth who went to Egypt to study black magic and sorcery and came back to trick the people. There are two separate entries in the Jewish Talmud about these two separate Jesus people. Over time the antics and the actions and the life stories of both of these two separate people named Jesus slowly mixed together into one fictitious character who performed and said things that both of these men said combined. A third Jesus was the Teacher of Righteousness who lived among the Essenes and who preached in the desert. Gospels from writers that lived at the same time as this teacher of righteousness have been found in Egypt and they are called the Gnostic Gospels.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlQuote:
Originally Posted by NVSeminJesus meant that do not let evil manipulate you. If you are punched to be provoked - better turn the other cheek.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
When u say Jesus said , you actually mean which ever fictional writer said that.
three men named Yeshua but only one fantastic Mystikal individual man came out of it and all the facts and stories of the three men are now attributed to this fictional character. To make matters worse at the Council of Nicea about 300 years later the Romans really f***** things up and further tweaked and edited and took great liberties with the stories for political reasons and to streamline the religion. What an absolute crock of s***.
Im not trying to convince anyone. I researched it and am reporting what I found.
There is more historical documentation including the writings of the first century historian Josephus about Christ, plenty by non believers at the time. The person of Christ in the gospels existed without doubt. There is more evidence of Christ than of Alexander the great. You may question that Christ was God but his existence can not be questioned. Yes, others were around during his time that some thought the messiah but they did not go on to change civilization as we know it. Christ's clashes with the establishment at the time are well documented, not a mix of men, but Christ in specific. @brocktonblockbust
These immigrants have just arrived basically, they only knew a few words in swedish, and i would say this is an introduce class, like "welcome to Sweden" sorta thing, they never seen this top quality sexual appearance we have in this country, Which chock them because this homo act is forbidden in their countries, and when it's legal somewhere they don't know how to act, but they have been growing up and learnt that its forbidden. so obviously they don't like that, but time will change them... even though some people have a longer learning period than others.
If one person has an invisible imaginary friend he's psycho, Right?
If lots of people have the same invisible imaginary friend It's called Religion, Right?
So what the conclusion of my point?
Ingemaar Johannsen banged several chicks from Ululea en liten stad norr, en vacker ung flicka
Yeshua ben Pandera and Yeshua Ha Notzri are 2 different people. Both are written about in a negative way in the Jewish Talmud.
I'm only referring to the Christ of the gospels and the historical evidence that proves his existence.
Interestingly, there was a Jewish rabbi who passed away in 1984 who had a large following. Many Jews felt he may be messianic. I just learned of this and am currently reading up on the figure.
Pretty muchQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Edition / Manuscript Passage on execution
(Sanhedrin 43 a-b) Passage on punishment in afterlife
(b Gittin 57a) Passage on disciples
(Sanhedrin 43 a-b)
Herzog 1 on the eve of Passover they hanged Jesus son of Pandera
Herzog 2 Jesus the Nazarene had five disciples
Vatican 130 he went and brought up Jesus the Nazarene
Vatican 140 he went and brought up the imposter of Jesus
Munich 95 on the eve of Passover they hanged [name erased] he went and brought up Jesus [text erased]
Firenze II.1.8–9 on Sabbath even and the eve of Passover they hanged Jesus ben Stada Jesus the Nazarene had five disciples
Karlsruhe 2 on the eve of Passover they hanged Jesus the Nazarene Jesus the Nazarene had five disciples
Barco on the eve of Passover they hanged [not legible] [not legible] had five disciples
Soncino on the eve of Passover they hanged [not legible] he went and brought up [name missing]
Vilna [whole passage deleted by censor] he went and brought up the sinners of Israel [whole passage deleted by censor]
I don't get it Brock, are you saying I'm wrong. Do I need to post official Roman accounts of there dealings with Jesus or the writings of Josephus. No matter how you slice it Jesus existed. Are you saying he didn't, I'm just trying to determine where you are coming from, your personal belief.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
it ws 1994 Menachim Scneerson of the Lubavitcher Movement. I saw the train of the funeral cars all the highwas in NJ were shut down for hours, tens of thousands of Jews followed him to the Jewish Cemetery and every June they are still waiting for him to get out of the grave and resurrect.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
1st of all Walrus there is no right or wrong, so no I would never say you were wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusI don't get it Brock, are you saying I'm wrong. Do I need to post official Roman accounts of there dealings with Jesus or the writings of Josephus. No matter how you slice it Jesus existed. Are you saying he didn't, I'm just trying to determine where you are coming from, your personal belief.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
2nd of all I believe there was more than 1 man named yeshua who went doing charismatic/political/miraculous stuff at that same time.
3rd of all I believe the Jesus of the Gospel is an amalgamation of the 2/3 Yeshuas, the things attributable to the 1 Jesus of the Gospels were really performed by several Yeshuas, and it all morphed into one historical person. I believe the Yeshua of the Gospel existed in duplicate or even triplicate.
How did we get on Christians during a thread about Islam?
Always people with the "Did Jesus exist"/"Jesus didn't even exist" stuff.....well if we're asking/proclaiming that then how's about: Moses? Muhammad? Siddhārtha Gautama? Zoroaster?
Why are the questions aimed at Christianity ONLY aimed at Christianity? And believe me, in the United States they are ONLY asked of Christianity.
and just to open a different can of worms...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgWIhYAtan4
Well, in this case I can say with one hundred percent accuracy that you are wrong, we do both share a common belief in miles so I guess we remain friends.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust1st of all Walrus there is no right or wrong, so no I would never say you were wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusI don't get it Brock, are you saying I'm wrong. Do I need to post official Roman accounts of there dealings with Jesus or the writings of Josephus. No matter how you slice it Jesus existed. Are you saying he didn't, I'm just trying to determine where you are coming from, your personal belief.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
2nd of all I believe there was more than 1 man named yeshua who went doing charismatic/political/miraculous stuff at that same time.
3rd of all I believe the Jesus of the Gospel is an amalgamation of the 2/3 Yeshuas, the things attributable to the 1 Jesus of the Gospels were really performed by several Yeshuas, and it all morphed into one historical person. I believe the Yeshua of the Gospel existed in duplicate or even triplicate.
why would this even effect our friendship? You can believe anything you want. We are all free :)Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusWell, in this case I can say with one hundred percent accuracy that you are wrong, we do both share a common belief in miles so I guess we remain friends.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust1st of all Walrus there is no right or wrong, so no I would never say you were wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusI don't get it Brock, are you saying I'm wrong. Do I need to post official Roman accounts of there dealings with Jesus or the writings of Josephus. No matter how you slice it Jesus existed. Are you saying he didn't, I'm just trying to determine where you are coming from, your personal belief.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
2nd of all I believe there was more than 1 man named yeshua who went doing charismatic/political/miraculous stuff at that same time.
3rd of all I believe the Jesus of the Gospel is an amalgamation of the 2/3 Yeshuas, the things attributable to the 1 Jesus of the Gospels were really performed by several Yeshuas, and it all morphed into one historical person. I believe the Yeshua of the Gospel existed in duplicate or even triplicate.
Actually, I'm starting to doubt the existence of Miles.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustwhy would this even effect our friendship? You can believe anything you want. We are all free :)Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusWell, in this case I can say with one hundred percent accuracy that you are wrong, we do both share a common belief in miles so I guess we remain friends.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust1st of all Walrus there is no right or wrong, so no I would never say you were wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusI don't get it Brock, are you saying I'm wrong. Do I need to post official Roman accounts of there dealings with Jesus or the writings of Josephus. No matter how you slice it Jesus existed. Are you saying he didn't, I'm just trying to determine where you are coming from, your personal belief.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
2nd of all I believe there was more than 1 man named yeshua who went doing charismatic/political/miraculous stuff at that same time.
3rd of all I believe the Jesus of the Gospel is an amalgamation of the 2/3 Yeshuas, the things attributable to the 1 Jesus of the Gospels were really performed by several Yeshuas, and it all morphed into one historical person. I believe the Yeshua of the Gospel existed in duplicate or even triplicate.
I went thru a 4 month period back in 2012 where I believed Greenbeanz and Miles were the same poster, it freaked me out. I still wonder about that---could you imagine that?? :o:o:oQuote:
Originally Posted by walrusActually, I'm starting to doubt the existence of Miles.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustwhy would this even effect our friendship? You can believe anything you want. We are all free :)Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusWell, in this case I can say with one hundred percent accuracy that you are wrong, we do both share a common belief in miles so I guess we remain friends.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust1st of all Walrus there is no right or wrong, so no I would never say you were wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrusI don't get it Brock, are you saying I'm wrong. Do I need to post official Roman accounts of there dealings with Jesus or the writings of Josephus. No matter how you slice it Jesus existed. Are you saying he didn't, I'm just trying to determine where you are coming from, your personal belief.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
2nd of all I believe there was more than 1 man named yeshua who went doing charismatic/political/miraculous stuff at that same time.
3rd of all I believe the Jesus of the Gospel is an amalgamation of the 2/3 Yeshuas, the things attributable to the 1 Jesus of the Gospels were really performed by several Yeshuas, and it all morphed into one historical person. I believe the Yeshua of the Gospel existed in duplicate or even triplicate.