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What the hell? We've waited and waited for this fight and Kovalev pulls out?! They say they are willing to do a 50/50 fight on HBO which is the same as saying we don't want the fight. Boxing is getting more frustrating all the time. Call for the fight, call for the fight, call for the fight then don't take the fight. Straight out of Arums playbook. Sad.
Actually, I've been a bit happier about boxing with its entrance to cbs. This is the first I've heard of this Kovalev thing. Intersting, where did you read it Ron, I'd just like to read a bit more.
It's true, they talked about it in out newspaper here (it's in French): http://www.journaldemontreal.com/201...valev-en-peril
All in all, it says that the purse bid was done too soon and that it's problematic somehow for Main Event. the 50/50 deal with HBO also seems true but in the article Kathy Duva is stated as saying as she's open for negociations and that her offer "was fair".
To me, it says that she wants to get a bit more time in order to be better prepared for the best negociation possible. I wouldn't go as far as to say that the fight is in a big jeopardy; I'd simply say that "there's a possibility that the fight might not happen"
Haymon isn't going to HBO, it's a fake offer.
This is Pac all over again. We want to fight we want to fight we want to fight. Oh, we're the mandatory and up next to fight, remove me from that spot please.
Everyone kept saying in both situations that Floyd/Stevensen needed to be forced and when Pac/Kovalev had the cards to force their hands they folded.
In the first occasion it wasn't even remotely surprising but this one I really don't think Haymon fancies the fight and given this out we may never see it.
Like was mentioned earlier the PBC has brought a lot of momentum to the sport but this is a real disappointment.
Disappointing to say the least. One can only hope that if the fight doesn't get made in the immediate future, that it still happens not too long after. Let's not get into another Floyd-Pac fiasco.
Kov bottled it.
Just like 90% of all boxers, all mouth but when it gets down to it, he wants the no risk fights.
Kovalev runnin scared!
first off, i would not blame kovalev for this. duva is more the one to blame. i have had a feeling for a while that kovalev has no idea what is going on on the business side of boxing and basically lets duva do what she wants. and kovalev has taken the tougher fights so i doubt that he is scared to fight stevenson. supposedly he is stuck in an hbo contract but i think that something can be done about it if the money is right.
we will have to wait until they each have their next fights and then they can really discuss the fight and make all of the arrangements. i really want kovalev to destroy stevenson but we will see what happens. im not losing hope yet on this fight. it may just be more of a hassle than it needs to be.
Anyone who thinks Kovalev is scared is insane. Adonis Stevenson can't beat Kovalev, and I'm saying this as a Canadian and someone who's been a fan of Adonis since his amateur days (a high school buddy of mine fought him in the amateurs and got beat up by him). I suspect Stevenson's camp is going to try to fuck Kovalev on the money or promotion. Stevenson cannot win this fight. He can't go the distance with Kovalev.
I can't believe that Kovalev is running scared, but you never know. I reckon it is down to Kovalev getting shafted on the money side of things, whether from his own team or Adonis's I don't know. I read somewhere that until just over 12 months ago he was earning $5k a fight and he got something silly like $100k for either the BHop fight or the one before, which is amazing really. he's probably pissed off with getting the piss taken out of him financially.
Stevenson knock Kovalev outQuote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
Kovalev ko7 stevenson
It's nothing to do with the fighters.
Rival TV networks/promoters stop more fights happening then anything else. Kov's mob are not beating Haymon in a purse bid which means they're off HBO.
quack quack quack....Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron Swanson
That's what they'd say if Stevenson pulls this crap.
You'd sure as hell blame Adonis..that's for certain.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncher
:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
A fan of Stevenson......suuuuure.
You're just in denial.
How the fuck do you KNOW Stevenson can't beat him?
Hopkins took less to fight Kovalev rather than fight Stevenson...because he saw Sergay as the more winnable fight.
That should tell you something.
If Adonis pulled this stunt you'd be all....;DQuack quack quack
Now look at you.
He's been shafted from day 1...why get all concerned now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
Now.....all of a sudden.... ya'll understand the money side of things all of a sudden.Ain't that a bitch;D
Stevenson is called a duck for not fighting for peanuts...now you're talking out the other side of your hypocritcal ass.
This is not what it appears to be and people should wait. Duva was not going to outbid Haymon so this move looks strategic and none of us are flies on the wall. I'll take a wait and see approach. Its simply out of character for the fighter and its most likely a management call. They had to know it was going to be in Quebec and we all should know that he does have an IBF mandatory. Lets be honest here that the Stevenson camp also knows about his mandatory challenges looming. What else we do know is that Stevenson has never called him out and in fact acted as if he could not even mention the Russians name over more then a year. We have also not heard a peep from the Ibf as to whether they are willing to allow him to skip a mandatory. The object of the game here is to see 1 undisputed champion and we are as close to that as ever. In fact its never happened since we have had 4 belts. Spinks was the first triple crown winner prior to the Wbo. Roy equaled the task but a man named Dariusz also had a claim.
Something else is at play here and its certainly not Kovalev running scared. The report is pretty vague. They pulled out of a purse bid for a fight that might happen in 2016. So what?
Hoping Stevenson loses before Kovalev has to fight him?
Could just as easily be the reverse. We don't know what happened beyond a freaking press blurb. Perhaps a wrench got thrown in with the hopes that Kov would lose his Ibf defense?Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
You wanna put money on that? If you want to put your money where your mouth is PM me and we can do this for real. Stevenson doesn't have a prayer.Quote:
Originally Posted by corvette
When this kind of shit happens, every moron wants to form an opinion without knowing the facts. I don't do that. I wait for all the information to come out before I start running my mouth. I don't know why Kovalev's camp pulled out, but I'm sure it has more to do with money than it does with a fear of Stevenson.
I think Fenster hit the nail on the head. This is a promotional/broadcasting turf war. Kovalev has an exclusive contract with HBO. IamInuit, got the rest. Main events won't outbid Haymon, which means the fight would be on CBS or some Haymon ppv thing... At which point Kovalevs choices are:
-Try to fight for pennies on Haymons promotion where the odds and money are stacked against him and then be sued for those pennies and more by HBO
- Haymon leverages more pay if Kovalev signs a contract with him. He gets sued by Duva, and Probably HBO for breach of contract and is locked out like the thing with ward.
- Stay on HBO and try to get stevenson to fight on HBO to maintain his contractual obligation and still get his belt from Stevenson.
...so Duva counter offers the fight on HBO with Stevenson getting a bigger cut that he should get but not more than kovalev (and everyone gets to keep the money they make). Both Haymon and stevenson know the deal and realize its the end of the line so to speak if Stevenson gets Krushed... and theres more money to be made in the long run on the slow bleed of stevenson and feeding him bums. So Haymon flashes money and calls Duva's bluff and flips HBO the bird by winning a purse bid (but never having to actually spend the money) for a fight that can't be made. Smart by haymon, Dumb by Duva in that she walked right into it hoping the pressure and promise would Corner Stevenson/Haymon into making the fight someone else's terms.. and $h:tty for us in that now, the fight wont get made unless its under stevenson/haymons terms or Stevenson loses/gets stripped and Kovalev gains the opportunity to fight for it before stevenson does again (Rematch clauses make that unlikely)
Duva is saying the main reason she's pulling out is that both guys are unable to fight each other next and might lose or look bad in their next fight so it's impossible to put an accurate money value on what the purse should be before they both come through their next fight. Why did Duva bother forcing a purse bid (which would have cost her money) when she knew Kovalev was tied to HBO for another fight?
Well you morons were quick to call Stevenson a duck when he wanted to get paid.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerYou wanna put money on that? If you want to put your money where your mouth is PM me and we can do this for real. Stevenson doesn't have a prayer.Quote:
Originally Posted by corvette
When this kind of shit happens, every moron wants to form an opinion without knowing the facts. I don't do that. I wait for all the information to come out before I start running my mouth. I don't know why Kovalev's camp pulled out, but I'm sure it has more to do with money than it does with a fear of Stevenson.
Stevenson didn't fight Kovalev BECAUSE OF MONEY...just like Kovalev...don't get all understanding about the dollar now.
Too many robberies to bet.
To say Stevenson doesn't have a prayer is blind nutthugging.;D
Maybe Duva is afraid Kovalev gets crushed...;DQuote:
Originally Posted by J_Undisputed
Ya, kovalev really got shafted in the bhop fight with his purse. He should be making bank now considering he is almost unanimously considered the best LHW and is exciting and had tons of KO's. I think that he is getting taken advantage of by his promotor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
So now you get it...Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherYa, kovalev really got shafted in the bhop fight with his purse. He should be making bank now considering he is almost unanimously considered the best LHW and is exciting and had tons of KO's. I think that he is getting taken advantage of by his promotor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
When it was about Stevenson it was ducking.
just FYI, I understand how big of a troll you are so I will just let you know now that I will not respond to anymore of your posts. So you can stop wasting your time and commenting on what I say or continue to waste your time and respond to me. Either way is fine. Now if everybody would do the same we could just get rid of you.Quote:
Originally Posted by corvetteSo now you get it...Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherYa, kovalev really got shafted in the bhop fight with his purse. He should be making bank now considering he is almost unanimously considered the best LHW and is exciting and had tons of KO's. I think that he is getting taken advantage of by his promotor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
When it was about Stevenson it was ducking.
You can dish it out but you can't take it....typical bitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherjust FYI, I understand how big of a troll you are so I will just let you know now that I will not respond to anymore of your posts. So you can stop wasting your time and commenting on what I say or continue to waste your time and respond to me. Either way is fine. Now if everybody would do the same we could just get rid of you.Quote:
Originally Posted by corvetteSo now you get it...Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherYa, kovalev really got shafted in the bhop fight with his purse. He should be making bank now considering he is almost unanimously considered the best LHW and is exciting and had tons of KO's. I think that he is getting taken advantage of by his promotor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
When it was about Stevenson it was ducking.
How'd that work out for him again?Quote:
Originally Posted by corvette:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
A fan of Stevenson......suuuuure.
You're just in denial.
How the fuck do you KNOW Stevenson can't beat him?
Hopkins took less to fight Kovalev rather than fight Stevenson...because he saw Sergay as the more winnable fight.
That should tell you something.
If Adonis pulled this stunt you'd be all....;DQuack quack quack
Now look at you.
It worked out...he didn't get his old ass put to sleep.Quote:
Originally Posted by bcollinsHow'd that work out for him again?Quote:
Originally Posted by corvette:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
A fan of Stevenson......suuuuure.
You're just in denial.
How the fuck do you KNOW Stevenson can't beat him?
Hopkins took less to fight Kovalev rather than fight Stevenson...because he saw Sergay as the more winnable fight.
That should tell you something.
If Adonis pulled this stunt you'd be all....;DQuack quack quack
Now look at you.
If you think Kovalev is a sure fire win over Stevenson you are fooling yourself.