What damage has this fight done to boxing ??

I convinced a few people (casual fans) at work to pay for the fight Saturday when I explained the magnitude of what was going on – now today I wish I hadn’t. Man am I getting some stick.

As a fan ‘in the know’ so to speak I wasn’t surprised by what happened over 12 rounds in the fight and take my hat off to the technical mastery of Floyd – I think deep down I had got carried away and thought Pac would get through in the early rounds and the fight would ignite into something special.

I’m sure this has been discussed several times since Saturday night but what damage has this done to the sport ? For us on here it won't deter us but those casual fans I mentioned certainly won’t be back !

I think I can forget about EA Sports sitting round the table this morning and deciding to do another Fight Night game that’s for sure

I got a PhD after it: permanent head damage

I especially got confused with the logic that says

1. You (myself) are dumb
2. you (myself) do not know shit about boxing
3. If one (myself) will look at a certain angle under certain perspective with several factors in mind on
the fight, mayweather performace, then he would see some boxing genius instead of a pile of crap that I see all the time

and meanwhile I find it all boring crap

If people don't want to watch something on their own don't advise it.

Those people should just jerk off to a cock fight. We all knew Pac would slow down when he was countered.

Hell we all knew who was on Floyd's "hit list" when he came out of retirement. He faught them all and for 6 years it was "but he won't.....okay he did. But he won't.....okay he did. But he won't....." All the while this all was obvious. Pac always had no chance, he has no jab. They banked on Floyd's shot legs and the bank was robbed.

It might of put off some casual fans but fuck them I really enjoyed seeing floyd put on another brilliant boxing lesson on an inferior opponent.

Most of us on hear had a good idea how the fight would go, the casual fan wants the Rocky toe
to toe bullshit, Floyd do that never in a million years.!
Yes the excitement of a big fight, which if's or but's never come into it with a Floyd fight, we
ALL no the way he fights by now don't we.!

The expectations were high,! but in reality you saw a boxing match the better boxer giving his
opponent a boxing lesson in the noble art, of to hit and not to be hit yourself that's Floyd in a
nutshell, not to everyone's taste but that's what you got.

Most of us on here knew - yes.

You need more casual fans on board though for the future

We need Golovkin or Kovalev on terrestrial tv !

Golovkin's last fight was on channel 5.

Why do people care whether or not "casual" fans watch boxing? Is it because you want your friends to enjoy it with you? I don't get it as I couldn't give a flying fuck.

Was it ?? I watched it but had no idea what channel. Channel 5 is probably worse....

I care because I want the sport fan base to grow

And I want another Fight Night game !

Boxing was here before we were born and will be here long after we've snuffed it. There are more shows in Britain now than at any time in the past. It has it's own dedicated channel for gawd's sake.

Casual boxing fans that talk to me about boxing generally get on my nerves. I'd sooner they didn't watch it.

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Most of us on hear had a good idea how the fight would go, the casual fan wants the Rocky toe
to toe bullshit, Floyd do that never in a million years.!
Yes the excitement of a big fight, which if's or but's never come into it with a Floyd fight, we
ALL no the way he fights by now don't we.!

The expectations were high,! but in reality you saw a boxing match the better boxer giving his
opponent a boxing lesson in the noble art, of to hit and not to be hit yourself that's Floyd in a
nutshell, not to everyone's taste but that's what you got.

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Bang on. I said to Scrap during the week what do recon, Floyd by three clear points? He said yeah cant really see any other way but ill be going for Manny as hes the underdog. Same here I said except if Floyd gets dropped then he will be the instant underdog and I will start yelling for him to dig his way out instead. We agreed on that too. I think most knew the outcome deep down even though we all hoped for more. Hearts and minds all that stuff. :):(

I watched a thousand people in the pub I was in here yell for Manny as they had got caught up in race thing : America thinks its the best at everything and lets see the poor underdog win this he deserves it blah blah mentality. I tell you 90 % thought Manny won it going on what i heard as i left so these casuals now think the sport is rigged which it is to an extent due to who fights who and when ad the occasional gift ,but not the way they now think it is from the top down.

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Golovkin's last fight was on channel 5.

Why do people care whether or not "casual" fans watch boxing? Is it because you want your friends to enjoy it with you? I don't get it as I couldn't give a flying fuck.

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Boxing was here before we were born and will be here long after we've snuffed it. There are more shows in Britain now than at any time in the past. It has it's own dedicated channel for gawd's sake.

Casual boxing fans that talk to me about boxing generally get on my nerves. I'd sooner they didn't watch it.

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I watched a thousand people in the pub I was in here yell for Manny as they had got caught up in race thing : America thinks its the best at everything and lets see the poor underdog win this he deserves it blah blah mentality. I tell you 90 % thought Manny won it going on what i heard as i left so these casuals now think the sport is rigged which it is to an extent due to who fights who and when ad the occasional gift ,but not the way they now think it is from the top down.

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It's ridiculous, the amount of casual fans that think Pac won makes me think we might end up with a re-match.

Can't see it - I'd like to see what the subscription figures are for Boxnation


Khan v Brook would deliver the goods - here's hoping

I can see why some "experts" (lol) and "hardcore's" scored it for Pac - he was moving forward more (seems par for the course for many).

BoxNation, SKY (about 25 dates + Box Office), ITV, 5, Eurosport, BT have all covered live primetime boxing this year. Not sure of BoxNation subscription figures but it's still going after 4 years

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Boxing was here before we were born and will be here long after we've snuffed it. There are more shows in Britain now than at any time in the past. It has it's own dedicated channel for gawd's sake.

Casual boxing fans that talk to me about boxing generally get on my nerves. I'd sooner they didn't watch it.

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More interest = more money for the sport.

Anyone who loves boxing should want it to succeed and draw money, so it can continue to pay the fighters and put on shows.

Wanting to keep it your personal little secret is just selfish and stupid.

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Boxing was here before we were born and will be here long after we've snuffed it. There are more shows in Britain now than at any time in the past. It has it's own dedicated channel for gawd's sake.

Casual boxing fans that talk to me about boxing generally get on my nerves. I'd sooner they didn't watch it.

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More interest = more money for the sport.

Anyone who loves boxing should want it to succeed and draw money, so it can continue to pay the fighters and put on shows.

Wanting to keep it your personal little secret is just selfish and stupid.

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err.. what?

Please, anyone, feel free to show me how boxing is failing/dying/about to end? There's currently a lack of money in the sport? (lol)

It hasn't done any damage to boxing. We'll all still watch no matter what, the casuals are quick to forgive when a contest is advertised as the best thing since sliced bread and fails to deliver. The cunts that turned up to be seen at ringside for Mayweather Pacquiao will turn out once again the next time occasion calls for them to be there.


Boxing marches on.

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I convinced a few people (casual fans) at work to pay for the fight Saturday when I explained the magnitude of what was going on – now today I wish I hadn’t. Man am I getting some stick.

As a fan ‘in the know’ so to speak I wasn’t surprised by what happened over 12 rounds in the fight and take my hat off to the technical mastery of Floyd – I think deep down I had got carried away and thought Pac would get through in the early rounds and the fight would ignite into something special.

I’m sure this has been discussed several times since Saturday night but what damage has this done to the sport ? For us on here it won't deter us but those casual fans I mentioned certainly won’t be back !

I think I can forget about EA Sports sitting round the table this morning and deciding to do another Fight Night game that’s for sure

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Damn I need another fight night, still playing the old one.
ANd yes tons of casuals are now gone. THey dont realize all the grat fights that have happened the last few months cause......they are casual ppv watchers. Damn floyd for running, and damn pac for not being the bull dog I expected

somewhere out there is another young Tyson - but he'll probably end up in NFL

QUOTE=Mark TKO;1323726]somewhere out there is another young Tyson - but he'll probably end up in NFL[/QUOTE]

Worse yet, he'll have watched that fight and try to do what he saw those two guys doing.

dont worry, once mayweather fights in september, there will be a ton of people ordering his fight again and complaining about his running and holding. its a never ending cycle.

Make over $100m quid for throwing 400 punches in 36 minutes. If I was a young kid I'd copy them

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dont worry, once mayweather fights in september, there will be a ton of people ordering his fight again and complaining about his running and holding. its a never ending cycle.

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yep I'll be there - unless on BoxNation

I think this fight is to far out of the box to make to many rash judgements either way. It could have as many positive effects as negative starting with the quickened extinction of ppv rather then waiting on this medium to help render them/it obsolete.

It speaks volumes to quantity over quality

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Boxing was here before we were born and will be here long after we've snuffed it. There are more shows in Britain now than at any time in the past. It has it's own dedicated channel for gawd's sake.

Casual boxing fans that talk to me about boxing generally get on my nerves. I'd sooner they didn't watch it.

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Shame on you, you elitist knucklehead! You should try to give them some encouragement, explain why they're wrong. Hell man, if they show any interest, and you're too busy to talk, give them a few fights to watch on YouTube.

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Boxing was here before we were born and will be here long after we've snuffed it. There are more shows in Britain now than at any time in the past. It has it's own dedicated channel for gawd's sake.

Casual boxing fans that talk to me about boxing generally get on my nerves. I'd sooner they didn't watch it.

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Shame on you, you elitist knucklehead! You should try to give them some encouragement, explain why they're wrong. Hell man, if they show any interest, and you're too busy to talk, give them a few fights to watch on YouTube.

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Most people around in my office don't even know boxing exists. I've had some casual conversation and they are clueless but hear about the fight. When asked what I though about the fight, The ones that know a little. "It's not going to live up to the hype, but it should be a fight." am I going to buy it? I don't want to risk paying for a mayweather fight, but I'll watch it for sure and it will probably be on youtube with the hour with a hundred live streams. basically I never put my foot in my mouth so no blowback in the office. How much has it hurt boxing. Can't say we will ever see another mega ppv again. GGG probably won't get the chance to break 1 million ppv because of whats happened.

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Boxing was here before we were born and will be here long after we've snuffed it. There are more shows in Britain now than at any time in the past. It has it's own dedicated channel for gawd's sake.

Casual boxing fans that talk to me about boxing generally get on my nerves. I'd sooner they didn't watch it.

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Shame on you, you elitist knucklehead! You should try to give them some encouragement, explain why they're wrong. Hell man, if they show any interest, and you're too busy to talk, give them a few fights to watch on YouTube.

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Why? I don't care whether or not someone likes what I like. There are literally millions and millions of boxing fans all over the world, why would anyone give a fuck about trying to convince old dave and sue at work to be fans?

I couldn't give a fuck.

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I convinced a few people (casual fans) at work to pay for the fight Saturday when I explained the magnitude of what was going on – now today I wish I hadn’t. Man am I getting some stick.

As a fan ‘in the know’ so to speak I wasn’t surprised by what happened over 12 rounds in the fight and take my hat off to the technical mastery of Floyd – I think deep down I had got carried away and thought Pac would get through in the early rounds and the fight would ignite into something special.

I’m sure this has been discussed several times since Saturday night but what damage has this done to the sport ? For us on here it won't deter us but those casual fans I mentioned certainly won’t be back !

I think I can forget about EA Sports sitting round the table this morning and deciding to do another Fight Night game that’s for sure

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I feel you bro. I was really pumped up for this fight. Will not stop saying it's Pac's fucking fault. Fuck it, there was a time during a big family dinner I took center stage and gave my opinion on why this fight will be epic. Would you believe I even used the irresistible force paradox to start my speech. So my brother in law asked me "What do you think Aaron, you're the most avid boxing fan here?".. I remember saying, "This fight, it'll be a barn burner. That's what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object. We all know Pacquiao will keep coming, and Mayweather is the best defensive fighter of this era." Someone asked who I think will win and I said - "Manny Pacquiao. Because if he does his thing, and Floyd does his.. the judges will surely favor Pacquiao because he's the one throwing punches although Mayweather may have dodge 80% of it." That's why I've always said before the fight that Mayweather has to follow the Marquez blueprint of fighting fire with fire. In my mind, it's gonna be fucking epic.

The best part of it is when I awed everyone with my response when they asked if who do I want to win. I said "Floyd Mayweather. Unlike everyone else, my mind says Manny but my heart goes with Mayweather. Floyd has never been cut bad, battered or downed hurt seriously during his career. I want Manny Pacquiao to be at his best and push Floyd to the point that he has to dig down deep and put himself to an even higher level. That will be a great boost for boxing. Drama is always good for any sport. Pacquiao is already loved by many and they will continue to love him even after a loss. I want the world to respect Floyd Mayweather, the fighter, as he deserves. But overall, I don't really care much who wins. As long as they make a fight that will be for the ages." I think I got a semi-standing ovation after that.

Didn't fucking happened and I blame Manny Pacquiao for making me look like a melodramatic fool.

I get all sides of this "casual" argument

Yes I do quite enjoy the hype when the casuals get involved, look at the way they elevated the Froch v Groves fight, it got everyone in the UK talking, half of them had never heard of Froch before and even less had heard of Groves but as soon as the media train starts moving they lap it up and it's great to see boxing everywhere for a few weeks before and a few days after the fight.

On the other hand it fucking annoys me when they start talking shit at me and thinking they are experts because the promo shows one fighter throwing bombs against a multitude of fighters over 45 seconds, you try and explain to the the reasons behind their predictions and they have no interest because even though you have watched each fighter and followed their career for years they obviously know more than you because they read Frank Warrens weekly column in the sun

It won't put them off though they will be back, we only really get fights like these every few years

Haye v Klitschko
Haye v Chisora
Froch v Groves
BJS v Eubank Jr
Freddie Flintoff v some fat dude (the amount of people I know who ordered box nation just for that one 4 round fight was unreal)
Mayweather v Pacquiao

That's about 5 fights in 5 years that the UK have got hyped up about, I can live with that I recon

P.s. The Freddie Flintoff bit was a joke

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Boxing was here before we were born and will be here long after we've snuffed it. There are more shows in Britain now than at any time in the past. It has it's own dedicated channel for gawd's sake.

Casual boxing fans that talk to me about boxing generally get on my nerves. I'd sooner they didn't watch it.

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Shame on you, you elitist knucklehead! You should try to give them some encouragement, explain why they're wrong. Hell man, if they show any interest, and you're too busy to talk, give them a few fights to watch on YouTube.

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Why? I don't care whether or not someone likes what I like. There are literally millions and millions of boxing fans all over the world, why would anyone give a fuck about trying to convince old dave and sue at work to be fans?

I couldn't give a fuck.

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It's not worth arguing about, but I do think you are wrong.

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Boxing was here before we were born and will be here long after we've snuffed it. There are more shows in Britain now than at any time in the past. It has it's own dedicated channel for gawd's sake.

Casual boxing fans that talk to me about boxing generally get on my nerves. I'd sooner they didn't watch it.

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Shame on you, you elitist knucklehead! You should try to give them some encouragement, explain why they're wrong. Hell man, if they show any interest, and you're too busy to talk, give them a few fights to watch on YouTube.

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Why? I don't care whether or not someone likes what I like. There are literally millions and millions of boxing fans all over the world, why would anyone give a fuck about trying to convince old dave and sue at work to be fans?

I couldn't give a fuck.

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It's not worth arguing about, but I do think you are wrong.

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I'm more interested about this sue, would she be worth going a few rounds with?

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I convinced a few people (casual fans) at work to pay for the fight Saturday when I explained the magnitude of what was going on – now today I wish I hadn’t. Man am I getting some stick.

As a fan ‘in the know’ so to speak I wasn’t surprised by what happened over 12 rounds in the fight and take my hat off to the technical mastery of Floyd – I think deep down I had got carried away and thought Pac would get through in the early rounds and the fight would ignite into something special.

I’m sure this has been discussed several times since Saturday night but what damage has this done to the sport ? For us on here it won't deter us but those casual fans I mentioned certainly won’t be back !

I think I can forget about EA Sports sitting round the table this morning and deciding to do another Fight Night game that’s for sure

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What do you expect ?

Look - Pac-Man didn't win the fight but I can see why Pac-Man and others thought he did. Because Pac-Man thinking "He never hurt me. He never had me in trouble. He never shaken me. He never had me down. He never cut me. I was forcing the fight. He kept tying me up on the inside" .........All that is true

But guess what ?

Most Of Mayweathers Opponents Could Have Said That

You forget - It's not what Mayweather does to you that wins him fights - It's what Mayweather does not allow you to do to him, that wins him fights.

He doesn't really allow his opponents to hurt him much, nail him clean, gain momentum. He snuffs his opponent out. Sure you can get fighters who can be elusive but Mayweather's genius is that he can do that and still do enough to win his fights.

AND THAT'S A SERIOUS SKILL IN ITSELF

So Mayweather does not have to do much in terms of being offensive to win fights. His defence has done the job for him. He doesn't have to beat the fighter down. He does not have to win rounds heavy. So you'll never see Floyd in a excting back and forth, Roberto Duran - Sugar Ray Leonard 1 type fight. He can pop and stick and that's pretty much enough to win rounds.

Also understand he wasn't running from Pac-Man. Never once did Kenny Bayliss caution Mayweather for not fighting and according to the stats Mayweather threw more punches than Pac-Man.

Having said. I do think father time is catching up on Floyd. In his younger days he was a lot more aggressive and on the front foot and threw combos back in the day , but then again weren't all boxers ? But when you watch Mayweather against Gatti and Corrales you see he is a totally different fighter now, than he was then

Is Mayweather exciting ? No.

Is he TBE ? Defensively - Yes. Offensively - No.

But he's an undefeated multi millionaire who wont be suffering from a slurred speech later in life or Parkinsons. He's a smart guy, inside and outside the ring. He answers to no-one. He has no promoter as he has Mayweather Promotions because he bought out Arum early in his career, because Arum was up De La Hoya's a.s.s

All in all the fight has done no damage to boxing.

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Boxing was here before we were born and will be here long after we've snuffed it. There are more shows in Britain now than at any time in the past. It has it's own dedicated channel for gawd's sake.

Casual boxing fans that talk to me about boxing generally get on my nerves. I'd sooner they didn't watch it.

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Shame on you, you elitist knucklehead! You should try to give them some encouragement, explain why they're wrong. Hell man, if they show any interest, and you're too busy to talk, give them a few fights to watch on YouTube.

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Why? I don't care whether or not someone likes what I like. There are literally millions and millions of boxing fans all over the world, why would anyone give a fuck about trying to convince old dave and sue at work to be fans?

I couldn't give a fuck.

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It's not worth arguing about, but I do think you are wrong.

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It's not an argument mate - There is no right or wrong. If I like a piece of music yet a million people say it's shit I wont stop liking it.

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I convinced a few people (casual fans) at work to pay for the fight Saturday when I explained the magnitude of what was going on – now today I wish I hadn’t. Man am I getting some stick.

As a fan ‘in the know’ so to speak I wasn’t surprised by what happened over 12 rounds in the fight and take my hat off to the technical mastery of Floyd – I think deep down I had got carried away and thought Pac would get through in the early rounds and the fight would ignite into something special.

I’m sure this has been discussed several times since Saturday night but what damage has this done to the sport ? For us on here it won't deter us but those casual fans I mentioned certainly won’t be back !

I think I can forget about EA Sports sitting round the table this morning and deciding to do another Fight Night game that’s for sure

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What do you expect ?

Look - Pac-Man didn't win the fight but I can see why Pac-Man and others thought he did. Because Pac-Man thinking "He never hurt me. He never had me in trouble. He never shaken me. He never had me down. He never cut me. I was forcing the fight. He kept tying me up on the inside" .........All that is true

But guess what ?

Most Of Mayweathers Opponents Could Have Said That

You forget - It's not what Mayweather does to you that wins him fights - It's what Mayweather does not allow you to do to him, that wins him fights.

He doesn't really allow his opponents to hurt him much, nail him clean, gain momentum. He snuffs his opponent out. Sure you can get fighters who can be elusive but Mayweather's genius is that he can do that and still do enough to win his fights.

AND THAT'S A SERIOUS SKILL IN ITSELF

So Mayweather does not have to do much in terms of being offensive to win fights. His defence has done the job for him. He doesn't have to beat the fighter down. He does not have to win rounds heavy. So you'll never see Floyd in a excting back and forth, Roberto Duran - Sugar Ray Leonard 1 type fight. He can pop and stick and that's pretty much enough to win rounds.

Also understand he wasn't running from Pac-Man. Never once did Kenny Bayliss caution Mayweather for not fighting and according to the stats Mayweather threw more punches than Pac-Man.

Having said. I do think father time is catching up on Floyd. In his younger days he was a lot more aggressive and on the front foot and threw combos back in the day , but then again weren't all boxers ? But when you watch Mayweather against Gatti and Corrales you see he is a totally different fighter now, than he was then

Is Mayweather exciting ? No.

Is he TBE ? Defensively - Yes. Offensively - No.

But he's an undefeated multi millionaire who wont be suffering from a slurred speech later in life or Parkinsons. He's a smart guy, inside and outside the ring. He answers to no-one. He has no promoter as he has Mayweather Promotions because he bought out Arum early in his career, because Arum was up De La Hoya's a.s.s

All in all the fight has done no damage to boxing.

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Mayweather has got that Hopkins type of aura around him where he can seem to nullify an opponents output but that can be viewed as boring to the majority.

I think he will be missed when he is gone but perhaps we need a new star in the making...

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Boxing was here before we were born and will be here long after we've snuffed it. There are more shows in Britain now than at any time in the past. It has it's own dedicated channel for gawd's sake.

Casual boxing fans that talk to me about boxing generally get on my nerves. I'd sooner they didn't watch it.

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Pretty much this ;D

The biggest tragedy is that floyd is such a fuckn bellend

Yes America still have their champion, but he's a massive nob ed

Millions of people around the world tuned in to watch a fight and what they saw was a bunch of commentators and pundits and fans bumming a big penis