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BEST
Enzo Calzaghe & Joe Calzaghe
Emanuel Steward & Lennox Lewis
Roger Mayweather & Floyd Mayweather
Kevin Rooney & Mike Tyson
Emanuel Steward & Wladimir Klitschko
WORST
Emanuel Steward & Jermaine Taylor
Freddie Roach & Bernard Hopkins
Floyd Mayweather Sr. & Ricky Hatton
Ronnie Shields & Mike Tyson
Pernell Whitaker & Zab Judah
Best
Manny Steward & Lennox Lewis
Kevin Rooney & Mike Tyson
Ray Arcel & Roberto Duran
Nacho Beristain & Salvador Sanchez
Angelo Dundee & Muhammad Ali but also Carmen Basilio
Lou Duva & the 1984 US Olympic Team
Worst
Aaron Snowell & Mike Tyson
Manny Steward & Naseem Hamed, Jermain Taylor, Chad Dawson
Al Certo & Andrew Golota
Nobody & Miguel Cotto for the Pacquiao fight :vd:
Floyd Mayweather Sr. & Ricky Hatton
Hatton with Billy Graham
Naz with Ingle
Best: Floyd Sr/Oscar De La Hoya
Worst: Teddy Atlas/Michael Moorer
When did Freddie Roach train BHop? I only remember Bouie Fisher, Brother Naz n John David Jackson training him. What am I missing?
Best:
1. Nacho n JMM/ Raf Marquez
2. Manny Steward n Michael Moorer
3. Manny n Tommy Hearns
4. Petronelli brothers n Hagler
5. Anne Wolfe n James Kirkland
6. Eddie Futch n Riddick Bowe
7. Bouie Fisher n BHop
8. Bill Miller n James Toney
9. Roach n Manny
10. Rodger n Floyd
Not going to name the worst but will say that Manny n Jermain Taylor was the best example I've seen so far, with Hatton/Floyd sr. a close second.
What about Chris Algieri and his goddamn trainer. What chance do you have when you're a feather fisted runner and your trainer sends you in there with the game plan that you're going to get your ass kicked for 9 or 10 rounds and then pull off a dramatic one-punch KO against one of the greatest fighters of the last 30 years.
How about Alton Merkerson/Roy Jones? I guess it can be argued that Big Roy laid the ground work, but Alton joined Roy in '92 and won titles with him everywhere from middleweight to heavyweight.
Honestly, I don't think Alton did much more than hold the mitts, the heavy bag and give positive reinforcement to Roy. Guy was so gifted n unorthodox that he broke every rule and made it work for him. You can't really train that in my opinion. I'm pretty sure anyone smart enough to just let Roy do his thing would've been equally "successful"...Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
good thread
In many cases the trainer that you see in the ring with the fighter is not the guy that does the day to day gym work- the actual training of that fighter.
Just one fight: CalzagheQuote:
Originally Posted by mikeeod
Good one on Bouie Fisher
Mickey Ward didn't do too good with Gatti fighting gomez
Mcgirt not to good with Malinaggi against Hatton.
Also agree with the Merkinson Jones comment.
And Mcgirt had chemistry with Tarver.
Gil Clancy and Emile Griffith. Clancy trained from his very first day boxing. Al Certo did real well with Buddy McGirt.
Mosley and his Pop worst for me. Also Norm Stoney stone acting a certifiable lunatic with Ruiz more often than not. Certainly not top anything all time but John d Jackson and Kovalev. Dude has his poise. Jackson in general looks a hell of a trainer.
Chappie Blackburn and Joe Louis
Charley Goldman and Rocky Marciano
Ray Arcel and Roberto Duran
Eddie Futch and Joe Frazier
Emanuel Stewart and Tommy Hearns
Those were guys who were more than just trainers for their fighters
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Originally Posted by Master
3-Days, buried at that table with a bottle of Bourbon by your side."
Ilsa > "Leave that bottle Rick, and come with me. Let's leave this Hell hole."
Rick > "You don't understand, I'm on a quest for the right answers."
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Best/Worst - Felix Trinidad Sr/Tito Trinidad
Best - Jose Morales/Erik Morales
Evangelista Cotto/Miguel Cotto
Nacho Beristain/JMM and Rafael
Rudy Perez/Marco Antonio Barrera
Freddy Roach/Manny Pacquiao, James Toney
Manny Steward/Tommy Hearns, Lennox Lewis, Wlad Klitschko, Gerald McClellan, JDJ
Worst - Jack Mosley/Shane Mosley
Floyd Sr/ Ricky Hatton
Manny Steward/Jermain Taylor, Andy Lee, Kermit Cintron
'Straight out of Philadelphia'
Eddie Futch ~ Joe Frazier
Smokin' Joe said that Eddie did >
A} Little more than give me water at the end of each Round
B} Wiped me down with a towel
C} Offered 'one-or-two' words of instructions after each Round
D} Cost me the fight in Manila
E} Never had a 'fight-plan' for me
F} Made a good 'Philly Cheese Steak'
G} Couldn't hold a candle to Yancey 'Yank' Durham
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Really? I think Larry Holmes made a similar comment.said Eddie would softly mumble something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Paxtom
Buddy was great with Tarver n Gatti. Both of those guys seemed to click with him and have their best performancesQuote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
Take away Eddie Futch, Ali beats Norton convincingly.
Great call!!! Forgot about that. Hop looked horrible in that fight n looked like his old self in his next (vs pavilik). Good post.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTraeJust one fight: CalzagheQuote:
Originally Posted by mikeeod
Good one on Bouie Fisher
Are you forgetting something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleepwalker
How about the way Eddie Futch 'prepared' Kenny for ......... George Foreman.
You see ......... Eddie Futch was 'no genius' as Smokin' Joe stated.
Who said anything about Frazier and Foreman? I sure as hell didn't. That's irrelevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill PaxtomAre you forgetting something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleepwalker
How about the way Eddie Futch 'prepared' Kenny for ......... George Foreman.
You see ......... Eddie Futch was 'no genius' as Smokin' Joe stated.
Futch catechized Norton into applying the jab with Ali's jab to neutralize it. It clearly worked.
Trainer Monkey + Anyone
C'mon people!!!
Is his wife still fighting....is she still alive?Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongIs his wife still fighting....is she still alive?Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
She probably retired/left him a long time ago but he still waits for her at the gym/basement.
Before the fight Hopkins said: "I'll NEVER let a white boy beat me'Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeodGreat call!!! Forgot about that. Hop looked horrible in that fight n looked like his old self in his next (vs pavilik). Good post.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTraeJust one fight: CalzagheQuote:
Originally Posted by mikeeod
Good one on Bouie Fisher
After the fight Hopkins said: "I'll NEVER let a white boy train me"
In a way i agree, He occasionally reminded roy of certain things he was doing and shouldn't be like stepping straight back or told Roy what was working and what wasn't. A keen eye at being an observer and probably a second father figure. Big Roy probably did most of the conditioning early, but the problem is you really cant put him on the list either. As when roy brought him back in later (Tarver III, i think), there was just friction and I think roy even went as far as to blame him for the loss. Not saying roy was right... I'm just saying you can be a genius or a certified loon, it won't matter unless the fighter listens to you. Just like i think Cus and Tyson was better than rooney and tyson, It was the loss of Cus that had a lost tyson putting all that faith in Rooney. Looking at someone like de la hoya.. every one of his trainers "was the best he ever had" till he lost and then blamed them fired them and went with someone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeeodHonestly, I don't think Alton did much more than hold the mitts, the heavy bag and give positive reinforcement to Roy. Guy was so gifted n unorthodox that he broke every rule and made it work for him. You can't really train that in my opinion. I'm pretty sure anyone smart enough to just let Roy do his thing would've been equally "successful"...Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Id like to add as a honorable mention on the worst list. Whoever the hell that guy was that told rahman to hold his arms straight out as a defensive tactic in the Lewis rematch.;D . Maybe thats (and the chris algieri plan mentioned above) should have its own thread for worst fightplans ever. Made for one of the funniest Ko's of all time when Rahman hit the canvas right under the crown in Kings logo and he's stretched out like he was making snow angels.
Sleepwalker,Quote:
Originally Posted by SleepwalkerWho said anything about Frazier and Foreman? I sure as hell didn't. That's irrelevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill PaxtomAre you forgetting something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleepwalker
How about the way Eddie Futch 'prepared' Kenny for ......... George Foreman.
You see ......... Eddie Futch was 'no genius' as Smokin' Joe stated.
Futch catechized Norton into applying the jab with Ali's jab to neutralize it. It clearly worked.
Maybe it wasn't that Eddie Futch was good.
Just maybe it was that Angelo Dundee was 'so bad' in coming up with a fight plan to defeat
Ken Norton.
"It's quite possible, don't you think"............ Lacey Underall
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