Best/Worst Trainer-Fighter Tandem-Top 5

[mikeeod]

When did Freddie Roach train BHop? I only remember Bouie Fisher, Brother Naz n John David Jackson training him. What am I missing?

[mikeeod]

Best:
1. Nacho n JMM/ Raf Marquez
2. Manny Steward n Michael Moorer
3. Manny n Tommy Hearns
4. Petronelli brothers n Hagler
5. Anne Wolfe n James Kirkland
6. Eddie Futch n Riddick Bowe
7. Bouie Fisher n BHop
8. Bill Miller n James Toney
9. Roach n Manny
10. Rodger n Floyd

Not going to name the worst but will say that Manny n Jermain Taylor was the best example I've seen so far, with Hatton/Floyd sr. a close second.

[Beanflicker]

What about Chris Algieri and his goddamn trainer. What chance do you have when you're a feather fisted runner and your trainer sends you in there with the game plan that you're going to get your ass kicked for 9 or 10 rounds and then pull off a dramatic one-punch KO against one of the greatest fighters of the last 30 years.

[Beanflicker]

How about Alton Merkerson/Roy Jones? I guess it can be argued that Big Roy laid the ground work, but Alton joined Roy in '92 and won titles with him everywhere from middleweight to heavyweight.

[mikeeod]

How about Alton Merkerson/Roy Jones? I guess it can be argued that Big Roy laid the ground work, but Alton joined Roy in '92 and won titles with him everywhere from middleweight to heavyweight.

Honestly, I don't think Alton did much more than hold the mitts, the heavy bag and give positive reinforcement to Roy. Guy was so gifted n unorthodox that he broke every rule and made it work for him. You can't really train that in my opinion. I'm pretty sure anyone smart enough to just let Roy do his thing would've been equally "successful"...

[SugarBoxing]

good thread

[J_Undisputed]

How about Alton Merkerson/Roy Jones? I guess it can be argued that Big Roy laid the ground work, but Alton joined Roy in '92 and won titles with him everywhere from middleweight to heavyweight.

Honestly, I don't think Alton did much more than hold the mitts, the heavy bag and give positive reinforcement to Roy. Guy was so gifted n unorthodox that he broke every rule and made it work for him. You can't really train that in my opinion. I'm pretty sure anyone smart enough to just let Roy do his thing would've been equally "successful"...

In a way i agree, He occasionally reminded roy of certain things he was doing and shouldn't be like stepping straight back or told Roy what was working and what wasn't. A keen eye at being an observer and probably a second father figure. Big Roy probably did most of the conditioning early, but the problem is you really cant put him on the list either. As when roy brought him back in later (Tarver III, i think), there was just friction and I think roy even went as far as to blame him for the loss. Not saying roy was right... I'm just saying you can be a genius or a certified loon, it won't matter unless the fighter listens to you. Just like i think Cus and Tyson was better than rooney and tyson, It was the loss of Cus that had a lost tyson putting all that faith in Rooney. Looking at someone like de la hoya.. every one of his trainers "was the best he ever had" till he lost and then blamed them fired them and went with someone else.

Id like to add as a honorable mention on the worst list. Whoever the hell that guy was that told rahman to hold his arms straight out as a defensive tactic in the Lewis rematch. . Maybe thats (and the chris algieri plan mentioned above) should have its own thread for worst fightplans ever. Made for one of the funniest Ko's of all time when Rahman hit the canvas right under the crown in Kings logo and he's stretched out like he was making snow angels.

[SlimTrae]

When did Freddie Roach train BHop? I only remember Bouie Fisher, Brother Naz n John David Jackson training him. What am I missing?

Just one fight: Calzaghe
Good one on Bouie Fisher

[SlimTrae]

Mickey Ward didn't do too good with Gatti fighting gomez
Mcgirt not to good with Malinaggi against Hatton.

Also agree with the Merkinson Jones comment.

And Mcgirt had chemistry with Tarver.

[Spicoli]

Mosley and his Pop worst for me. Also Norm Stoney stone acting a certifiable lunatic with Ruiz more often than not. Certainly not top anything all time but John d Jackson and Kovalev. Dude has his poise. Jackson in general looks a hell of a trainer.

[X]

Chappie Blackburn and Joe Louis
Charley Goldman and Rocky Marciano
Ray Arcel and Roberto Duran
Eddie Futch and Joe Frazier
Emanuel Stewart and Tommy Hearns

Those were guys who were more than just trainers for their fighters

[Sleepwalker]

Take away Eddie Futch, Ali beats Norton convincingly.

[Bill Paxtom]

Take away Eddie Futch, Ali beats Norton convincingly.

Are you forgetting something.

How about the way Eddie Futch 'prepared' Kenny for ......... George Foreman.

You see ......... Eddie Futch was 'no genius' as Smokin' Joe stated.

[mikeeod]

Mickey Ward didn't do too good with Gatti fighting gomez
Mcgirt not to good with Malinaggi against Hatton.

Also agree with the Merkinson Jones comment.

And Mcgirt had chemistry with Tarver.

Buddy was great with Tarver n Gatti. Both of those guys seemed to click with him and have their best performances

[mikeeod]

When did Freddie Roach train BHop? I only remember Bouie Fisher, Brother Naz n John David Jackson training him. What am I missing?

Just one fight: Calzaghe
Good one on Bouie Fisher

Great call!!! Forgot about that. Hop looked horrible in that fight n looked like his old self in his next (vs pavilik). Good post.