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This would be a superb fight. I'd be totally torn on who to root for as I'm a big fan of both. Great fight, lets just hope Geale doesn't ruin it.
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This would be a superb fight. I'd be totally torn on who to root for as I'm a big fan of both. Great fight, lets just hope Geale doesn't ruin it.
What catchweight? Haha
Seriously, we will have a "Jr Middleweight" who campaigns at 155 against a "Middleweight" who campaigns at 157. There is absolutely no need for a catchweight but these divas will probably make the fight at 156 to appease eaches enormous ego.
It should be at 154. Cotto seems intent on being the new Butterbean.
I like Cotto and Canelo and if they get it on, good luck to them. But if Geale does beat Cotto (and I think as long as he's not weight drained , it's a very real prospect.), then it's too bad. I don't think it would be a massive upset.
When he got KO'd by GGG he hit Golovkin with some big shots and I don't know if Cotto will take those. Look back at that fight and you'll see just as GGG KO'd Geale, Geale hit GGG with a peach of a shot, but it just had no effect. GGG isn't just a banger, he definitely has a solid chin.
Yeah some Cotto haters dismiss his choice of Geale as an opponent saying Geale ain't shit... but in all honesty they know little of the guy, who just isn't all that well known in some circles but is a pretty good MW in his own right.
I hope Canelo beats the shit out of this moron.
I don't have any problem with him fighting Geale, I think it's a legit test for a guy who, despite being a linear MW champ, we don't know is a true MW.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Cotto had a choice: be a middleweight or move back down to 154 and be a junior middleweight. By fighting Geale, in my eyes that's him saying "I want to be a middleweight". Well if you want to be a middleweight, and you want to be the middleweight champion of the world, you have to fight GGG after Geale. The fact that he's opting for Canelo instead is disgraceful IMO and is a perfect example of why boxing has gone to shit in the public's eye.
This reducing every difference to "hater" is tiresome. I've been a hardcore fan of Cotto since day one and this is still a joke. Whats he going to do next insist on a rehydration clause like Broner in the Porter fight? If they are going to start cherry picking then just re-institute same day freakin weigh ins and stop all this clowning.
You cant make this stuff up.
While the REAL middleweight champion waits on the sidelines unable to execute his mandatory status because the WBC has agreed to give Cotto a pass in order to fight Alvarez as long as the winner agrees to fight the Kazak immediately we get the following scenario.
Two non middleweights fighting for the lineal middleweight championship of the world at a catchweight of most likely 156 and getting all the glamour, admiration, money etc for something that in truth belongs to neither.. The winner will then be in Ring magazine as the top middleweight in the world at the very same time that they are balking on the contract they signed to fight the Kazak. So in essence most likely Alvarez will be at the top of the food chain at middle having never fought one.
The way cotto does business, i'll wait to see it in writing.....
Hey, I've been on record as saying numerous times that I don't think Cotto is a true MW. Having said that, I've also been pretty vocal in support of Cotto in his negotiations with Canelo, using all the leverage he's got, and refusing to cave to Canelo's people's demands. Neither Cotto nor Canelo want to fight GGG... that much is clear. A fight between Cotto and Canelo would still be a major draw, regardless of the weight. Let's not also pretend Cotto is the first or only fighter to be playing these weight/ division games. Let's also not pretend that Cotto is the first or only fighter trying to maximize his compensation for a lifetime of wars. Between him and Canelo, there's only one who has earned the right to maximize his earnings toward the end of his career..... and it's not Canelo. So I'll continue defending some things, while not defending others.
I think Cotto should scrape past Geale but see him losing to Canelo but I will be supporting Cotto. Either way I hope GGG gets the winner but I highly doubt that. GGG is the real middleweight champion.
Ain't that the truth!Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Poor GGG can't get any of these fools in the ring with him.
At this rate he'll have to fight Wlad if he wants to get a champ in the ring with him.
Cotto/Canelo winner gets GGG sounds good, now if only Quillen or Lee would fight GGG to just set the stage for the super fight.
Don'tforget Canelo is only 24 yrs old...he's got room to grow(fatter).
Canelo has three more top years before he fades out. He has had a lot of fights against top fighters.Quote:
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Had to fix your post bro.Quote:
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No I think HBO would bully them into it, that's the whole reason Floyd left for Showtime.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerHad to fix your post bro.Quote:
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Here's how that phone call would go.Quote:
Originally Posted by No Contest
HBO: Hello Miguel.
COTTO: Hola HBO.
HBO: We want to talk about you fighting GGG later on this...
COTTO: *CLICK*
HBO: ... Miguel? Miguel?
(Dial tone kicks in)
And if it's a face to face meeting with Cotto, they better have it on the ground floor because Cotto will jump out the window before he signs a contact to fight GGG.
Ha! Fucking hilarious and pretty fucking sad trying to group them together. Alvarez has no problem saying he welcomes a fight again Golovkin. Cotto doesn't even dare say Golovkin's name and does his best to avoid any questions about fighting him.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Saul Alvarez: Yes no problem. If the fans want the fight they will get the fight. He's strong and would be a big challenge. He's in our plans for the future. First Cotto. Than Golovkin
Miguel Cotto: Cotto gonna fight who Cotto wants to fight. Cotto fighting the great Daniel Geale next. Cotto knows he need to be at the his best when facing an ATG like Geale. So he not worry about no one but future HOF Daniel Geale. If Triple G and Canelo want to fight Cotto they need to earn the right to fight Cotto. They need to fight each other 3 times to see who is most worthy. Than Cotto will do whats right. He will give former champion Sergio Martinez his rematch
Is Cotto demanding green M&Ms in his corner also??? Seriously if this is catchweight, again, and you are not going to fight in the divisions weight limits just drop the belt already. Its as simple as that. Its embarrassing its becomes a math quiz these days before it becomes an actual match up.
What "super fight"? GGG fighting guys who have proven fuck all at 160 is a super fight? Is this really the mentality these days? I thought when Wards name comes up it's all about 160, but if a payday comes up suddenly 168 is okay or catchweight Kings are okay? That's fine. But people need to stop with that BS excuse about cleaning out 160 and say "GGG doesn't want to fight Ward". That double standard is why people are getting harsher on GGG. Nobody thinks he can't fight. People just see boxing fans talking out of both sides of their mouth and want some damn consistency.Quote:
Originally Posted by No Contest
I think that fighting the lowest weight you can make and "clearing out" those divisions is always the best option for fighters to choose. Once you go up its alot harder to come down again. GGG could go 168 but that's gonna be rougher. Ward hasn't fought in awhile he needs to prove he can still hit and hold like he used to. :p
I recall Canelo's answer being: "Yes, in the future, but not now.. " but close enough;D I think he could be pressured into it easier than Cotto would. Cotto's would try to make it his last fight in the contract with Roc Box and hope by that time someone managed to take the steam out of the GGGQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseHa! Fucking hilarious and pretty fucking sad trying to group them together. Alvarez has no problem saying he welcomes a fight again Golovkin. Cotto doesn't even dare say Golovkin's name and does his best to avoid any questions about fighting him.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Saul Alvarez: Yes no problem. If the fans want the fight they will get the fight. He's strong and would be a big challenge. He's in our plans for the future. First Cotto. Than Golovkin
Miguel Cotto: Cotto gonna fight who Cotto wants to fight. Cotto fighting the great Daniel Geale next. Cotto knows he need to be at the his best when facing an ATG like Geale. So he not worry about no one but future HOF Daniel Geale. If Triple G and Canelo want to fight Cotto they need to earn the right to fight Cotto. They need to fight each other 3 times to see who is most worthy. Than Cotto will do whats right. He will give former champion Sergio Martinez his rematch
What bullshit. Cotto has been fighting at the top for a long time, has fought everyone you would ask of him. It took Canelo long enough to fight a genuine junior-middleweight and even now he's fighting them at a slight catchweight. I'm a massive fan of both fighters, but you're twisting your hatred on Puerto Rican fighters to have you misjudge a situation. Cotto will take the best money fight next, and that'll be Canelo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseHa! Fucking hilarious and pretty fucking sad trying to group them together. Alvarez has no problem saying he welcomes a fight again Golovkin. Cotto doesn't even dare say Golovkin's name and does his best to avoid any questions about fighting him.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Saul Alvarez: Yes no problem. If the fans want the fight they will get the fight. He's strong and would be a big challenge. He's in our plans for the future. First Cotto. Than Golovkin
Miguel Cotto: Cotto gonna fight who Cotto wants to fight. Cotto fighting the great Daniel Geale next. Cotto knows he need to be at the his best when facing an ATG like Geale. So he not worry about no one but future HOF Daniel Geale. If Triple G and Canelo want to fight Cotto they need to earn the right to fight Cotto. They need to fight each other 3 times to see who is most worthy. Than Cotto will do whats right. He will give former champion Sergio Martinez his rematch
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Originally Posted by bzkfnWhat bullshit. Cotto has been fighting at the top for a long time, has fought everyone you would ask of him. It took Canelo long enough to fight a genuine junior-middleweight and even now he's fighting them at a slight catchweight. I'm a massive fan of both fighters, but you're twisting your hatred on Puerto Rican fighters to have you misjudge a situation. Cotto will take the best money fight next, and that'll be Canelo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseHa! Fucking hilarious and pretty fucking sad trying to group them together. Alvarez has no problem saying he welcomes a fight again Golovkin. Cotto doesn't even dare say Golovkin's name and does his best to avoid any questions about fighting him.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Saul Alvarez: Yes no problem. If the fans want the fight they will get the fight. He's strong and would be a big challenge. He's in our plans for the future. First Cotto. Than Golovkin
Miguel Cotto: Cotto gonna fight who Cotto wants to fight. Cotto fighting the great Daniel Geale next. Cotto knows he need to be at the his best when facing an ATG like Geale. So he not worry about no one but future HOF Daniel Geale. If Triple G and Canelo want to fight Cotto they need to earn the right to fight Cotto. They need to fight each other 3 times to see who is most worthy. Than Cotto will do whats right. He will give former champion Sergio Martinez his rematch
:appl:
I'm glad someone else said... 'cause if I say it I'm just a hater. All true points, by the way.
The majority of knowledgeable boxing fans know the score, and feel the same way.
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Originally Posted by bzkfnWhat bullshit. Cotto has been fighting at the top for a long time, has fought everyone you would ask of him. It took Canelo long enough to fight a genuine junior-middleweight and even now he's fighting them at a slight catchweight. I'm a massive fan of both fighters, but you're twisting your hatred on Puerto Rican fighters to have you misjudge a situation. Cotto will take the best money fight next, and that'll be Canelo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseHa! Fucking hilarious and pretty fucking sad trying to group them together. Alvarez has no problem saying he welcomes a fight again Golovkin. Cotto doesn't even dare say Golovkin's name and does his best to avoid any questions about fighting him.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Saul Alvarez: Yes no problem. If the fans want the fight they will get the fight. He's strong and would be a big challenge. He's in our plans for the future. First Cotto. Than Golovkin
Miguel Cotto: Cotto gonna fight who Cotto wants to fight. Cotto fighting the great Daniel Geale next. Cotto knows he need to be at the his best when facing an ATG like Geale. So he not worry about no one but future HOF Daniel Geale. If Triple G and Canelo want to fight Cotto they need to earn the right to fight Cotto. They need to fight each other 3 times to see who is most worthy. Than Cotto will do whats right. He will give former champion Sergio Martinez his rematch
That's been the case twice already. And he still turned the fight down. You wanna call it hate. Everybody else calls it facts.
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Originally Posted by Violent DemiseQuote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnWhat bullshit. Cotto has been fighting at the top for a long time, has fought everyone you would ask of him. It took Canelo long enough to fight a genuine junior-middleweight and even now he's fighting them at a slight catchweight. I'm a massive fan of both fighters, but you're twisting your hatred on Puerto Rican fighters to have you misjudge a situation. Cotto will take the best money fight next, and that'll be Canelo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseHa! Fucking hilarious and pretty fucking sad trying to group them together. Alvarez has no problem saying he welcomes a fight again Golovkin. Cotto doesn't even dare say Golovkin's name and does his best to avoid any questions about fighting him.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Saul Alvarez: Yes no problem. If the fans want the fight they will get the fight. He's strong and would be a big challenge. He's in our plans for the future. First Cotto. Than Golovkin
Miguel Cotto: Cotto gonna fight who Cotto wants to fight. Cotto fighting the great Daniel Geale next. Cotto knows he need to be at the his best when facing an ATG like Geale. So he not worry about no one but future HOF Daniel Geale. If Triple G and Canelo want to fight Cotto they need to earn the right to fight Cotto. They need to fight each other 3 times to see who is most worthy. Than Cotto will do whats right. He will give former champion Sergio Martinez his rematch
That's been the case twice already. And he still turned the fight down. You wanna call it hate. Everybody else calls it facts.
You can repeat the same shit 100 times. It still doesn't make it true. I'll say this one more time. You say "twice". What a laugh. The first time, each fighter wanted different things. Neither budged. Cotto stuck to his guns and his plans, basically telling the upstart to "shove it". Cotto wanted to fight in June, as his custom lately, fighting around the time of the P.R. parade in NYC. Canelo wanted to fight in March. Cotto also wanted to go for the MW title, rather than fighting Canelo in a non-title fight. As I've said countless times before.... it is Cotto who calls the shots.... not the upstart. Kudos to Cotto for not caving to GDP and their coddled ginger-head. It IS hate, whereas everyone else just deals in facts.
Fact 1, Cotto was offered 10 million plus to fight Alvarez.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseQuote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnWhat bullshit. Cotto has been fighting at the top for a long time, has fought everyone you would ask of him. It took Canelo long enough to fight a genuine junior-middleweight and even now he's fighting them at a slight catchweight. I'm a massive fan of both fighters, but you're twisting your hatred on Puerto Rican fighters to have you misjudge a situation. Cotto will take the best money fight next, and that'll be Canelo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseHa! Fucking hilarious and pretty fucking sad trying to group them together. Alvarez has no problem saying he welcomes a fight again Golovkin. Cotto doesn't even dare say Golovkin's name and does his best to avoid any questions about fighting him.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Saul Alvarez: Yes no problem. If the fans want the fight they will get the fight. He's strong and would be a big challenge. He's in our plans for the future. First Cotto. Than Golovkin
Miguel Cotto: Cotto gonna fight who Cotto wants to fight. Cotto fighting the great Daniel Geale next. Cotto knows he need to be at the his best when facing an ATG like Geale. So he not worry about no one but future HOF Daniel Geale. If Triple G and Canelo want to fight Cotto they need to earn the right to fight Cotto. They need to fight each other 3 times to see who is most worthy. Than Cotto will do whats right. He will give former champion Sergio Martinez his rematch
That's been the case twice already. And he still turned the fight down. You wanna call it hate. Everybody else calls it facts.
You can repeat the same shit 100 times. It still doesn't make it true. I'll say this one more time. You say "twice". What a laugh. The first time, each fighter wanted different things. Neither budged. Cotto stuck to his guns and his plans, basically telling the upstart to "shove it". Cotto wanted to fight in June, as his custom lately, fighting around the time of the P.R. parade in NYC. Canelo wanted to fight in March. Cotto also wanted to go for the MW title, rather than fighting Canelo in a non-title fight. As I've said countless times before.... it is Cotto who calls the shots.... not the upstart. Kudos to Cotto for not caving to GDP and their coddled ginger-head. It IS hate, whereas everyone else just deals in facts.
Fact 2, Cotto takes 7 million to fight Sergio Martinez instead.
Fact 3, Cotto is guaranteed 12 million to fight Alvarez in May.
Fact 4, The Golovkin camp express interest in fighting Cotto
Fact 5, Cotto doesn't sign to fight Alvarez and refuses to negotiate with Golovkin
Fact 6, Cotto signs to face the mediocre, recently steamrolled Daniel Geale
Fake, wannabe boxing fans always confuse facts with hate.
Cotto made the right fight against Sergio and now the Canelo fight is worth more.
GGG would rip Cotto and Canelo apart.
Cotto took the history making fight with Martinez, which turned out to be an exceptional business decision. He only turned it down the 2nd time because of his promotional situation. You're twisting facts again. Like I've said, I'm a huge fan of Canelo but lets not pretend he's even achieved anything on the level of Cotto. Also, I don't see Canelo negotiating with Golovkin, instead he fought the mediocre, steamrolled James Kirkland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by bzkfnCotto took the history making fight with Martinez, which turned out to be an exceptional business decision. He only turned it down the 2nd time because of his promotional situation. You're twisting facts again. Like I've said, I'm a huge fan of Canelo but lets not pretend he's even achieved anything on the level of Cotto. Also, I don't see Canelo negotiating with Golovkin, instead he fought the mediocre, steamrolled James Kirkland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Damn straight!
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Originally Posted by Violent DemiseFact 1, Cotto was offered 10 million plus to fight Alvarez.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Violent DemiseQuote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnWhat bullshit. Cotto has been fighting at the top for a long time, has fought everyone you would ask of him. It took Canelo long enough to fight a genuine junior-middleweight and even now he's fighting them at a slight catchweight. I'm a massive fan of both fighters, but you're twisting your hatred on Puerto Rican fighters to have you misjudge a situation. Cotto will take the best money fight next, and that'll be Canelo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseHa! Fucking hilarious and pretty fucking sad trying to group them together. Alvarez has no problem saying he welcomes a fight again Golovkin. Cotto doesn't even dare say Golovkin's name and does his best to avoid any questions about fighting him.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Saul Alvarez: Yes no problem. If the fans want the fight they will get the fight. He's strong and would be a big challenge. He's in our plans for the future. First Cotto. Than Golovkin
Miguel Cotto: Cotto gonna fight who Cotto wants to fight. Cotto fighting the great Daniel Geale next. Cotto knows he need to be at the his best when facing an ATG like Geale. So he not worry about no one but future HOF Daniel Geale. If Triple G and Canelo want to fight Cotto they need to earn the right to fight Cotto. They need to fight each other 3 times to see who is most worthy. Than Cotto will do whats right. He will give former champion Sergio Martinez his rematch
That's been the case twice already. And he still turned the fight down. You wanna call it hate. Everybody else calls it facts.
You can repeat the same shit 100 times. It still doesn't make it true. I'll say this one more time. You say "twice". What a laugh. The first time, each fighter wanted different things. Neither budged. Cotto stuck to his guns and his plans, basically telling the upstart to "shove it". Cotto wanted to fight in June, as his custom lately, fighting around the time of the P.R. parade in NYC. Canelo wanted to fight in March. Cotto also wanted to go for the MW title, rather than fighting Canelo in a non-title fight. As I've said countless times before.... it is Cotto who calls the shots.... not the upstart. Kudos to Cotto for not caving to GDP and their coddled ginger-head. It IS hate, whereas everyone else just deals in facts.
Fact 2, Cotto takes 7 million to fight Sergio Martinez instead.
Fact 3, Cotto is guaranteed 12 million to fight Alvarez in May.
Fact 4, The Golovkin camp express interest in fighting Cotto
Fact 5, Cotto doesn't sign to fight Alvarez and refuses to negotiate with Golovkin
Fact 6, Cotto signs to face the mediocre, recently steamrolled Daniel Geale
Fake, wannabe boxing fans always confuse facts with hate.
Ok... first I commend you because for the first time in history you're taking the high road in an argument, and not resorting to childish insults.
Having said that, I feel compelled to differentiate between "ducking", which of course you're implying that Cotto is doing with Canelo..... and business decisions.
"Ducking" is avoiding another fighter because of fear. Everything is in favor of your facing the other fighter..... EVERYTHING. But you choose not to. There's no other reason other than fear. You may even choose to give up a title because you don't want to face so-and-so.
Business decisions come from negotiations. In the end, you choose to do what is best for YOUR career, at the time you're making the decision. No pressure.... no coercing from anybody else is going to change your mind. On the contrary. If you allow yourself to get pressured.... you're actually weak-minded.... something Cotto has demonstrated he's not.
Beyond all that, Cotto has never ducked anyone in his career. To insist he's ducking Canelo is an affront to all the really great fighters Cotto's fought in the past. Why would he fight the hit parade of great fighters he's fought..... only to now duck Canelo?? It makes no sense, and you know it.
Therefore, your list of so-called "facts" are nothing more than an empty argument trying to prove something that isn't there. And as you like to say....... knowledgeable fans know that. Haters don't.
;)
Cotto took the fight against Martinez cuz it was easy pick-ins. Everybody knew Martinez knee was gone. Cotto don't give a damn about the middleweight title. If he did he would be defending it against the best middleweights out there. Or at least against the best opponent available. But he's not. For someone who says there a fan of Alvarez you sure are selling him short. Facts don't lie. And the facts are Alvarez is on a accelerated pace to surpass Cotto and several other superstar accomplishments. Alvarez has already beaten Lara, Kirkland, Angulo, Trout and has been in the ring against the best fighter in the world (Mayweather). And all he's trying to do now is get in ring against the middleweight champion (and he gets hated on for that). And he's only 24 years old. Aside from Japanese monster Naoya Inoue name me a fighter that has beaten that level of opposition at 24 years old. At 24 years old Cotto was fighting Demetrio Ceballos and Rocky Martinez. Mediocre fighters nowhere near the level of Lara or Trout. Now tell me. What facts did I twist now?Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnCotto took the history making fight with Martinez, which turned out to be an exceptional business decision. He only turned it down the 2nd time because of his promotional situation. You're twisting facts again. Like I've said, I'm a huge fan of Canelo but lets not pretend he's even achieved anything on the level of Cotto. Also, I don't see Canelo negotiating with Golovkin, instead he fought the mediocre, steamrolled James Kirkland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by Violent DemiseCotto took the fight against Martinez cuz it was easy pick-ins. Everybody knew Martinez knee was gone. Cotto don't give a damn about the middleweight title. If he did he would be defending it against the best middleweights out there. Or at least against the best opponent available. But he's not. For someone who says there a fan of Alvarez you sure are selling him short. Facts don't lie. And the facts are Alvarez is on a accelerated pace to surpass Cotto and several other superstar accomplishments. Alvarez has already beaten Lara, Kirkland, Angulo, Trout and has been in the ring against the best fighter in the world (Mayweather). And all he's trying to do now is get in ring against the middleweight champion (and he gets hated on for that). And he's only 24 years old. Aside from Japanese monster Naoya Inoue name me a fighter that has beaten that level of opposition at 24 years old. At 24 years old Cotto was fighting Demetrio Ceballos and Rocky Martinez. Mediocre fighters nowhere near the level of Lara or Trout. Now tell me. What facts did I twist now?Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnCotto took the history making fight with Martinez, which turned out to be an exceptional business decision. He only turned it down the 2nd time because of his promotional situation. You're twisting facts again. Like I've said, I'm a huge fan of Canelo but lets not pretend he's even achieved anything on the level of Cotto. Also, I don't see Canelo negotiating with Golovkin, instead he fought the mediocre, steamrolled James Kirkland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Cotto wanted to be the first Puerto Rican fighter to win titles in four different weight divisions. Martinez was there and available. Cotto took it. Canelo would've done exactly the same thing if in Cotto's place, and to say otherwise is to insult the intelligence of everyone here.
... and again with the age thing. :vd:
Once again... I'll rehash the same thing for the millionth time. You can't compare ages between Cotto and Canelo. Cotto turned pro at 21. That same year he suffered a serious car accident that produced career-threatening injuries, which he overcame to continue fighting. He won his first title (albeit regional) in his 14th fight against Cesar Bazan, and in his 21st fight beat Kelson Pinto for the WBO super lightweight title. His list of opponents has, and always will, put Canelo's list to shame.
Meanwhile, Canelo turned pro at 15, fattening his pro record with a long series of bums. I told you what Cotto did for his 21st fight. What was Canelo doing at the same stage? His 20th fight was against the great Francisco Villanueva (5-17-2), who Canelo had already knocked out 3 months earlier!! I guess they ran out of fresh bums, so they decided to retread some used ones. He stayed comfortably within the friendly confines of Mexico until finally venturing out to Las Vegas for his 33rd fight, against Miguel's brother, Jose Miguel.
What facts did you twist now? ALL of them.
You keep lobbing half-truths this way....... I keep bashing them over the center field wall.
;)
And after the Villanueva fight Alvarez faced for the 2nd time future champion Miguel Vazquez. The first time he faced him was in his 3rd fight. Cotto faced Waklimi Young in his 3rd fight. What the fuck is a Waklimi? You know the hate is strong in someone when they bad mouthed the opposition a fighter faced when he was 17, 18 years old. :vd: It boggles the mind what some people will say and embarrass themselves in the process just to hate. Think about it. Fighter A (Alvarez) is a 16, 17 year old kid fighting as a pro against grown men twice his age. At 16, 17 years old fighter B (Cotto) is fighting fellow 16, 17 year old kids wearing head gear and using pillow sized gloves. Yet some how fighter A gets hated on. Un fucking believable.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Violent DemiseCotto took the fight against Martinez cuz it was easy pick-ins. Everybody knew Martinez knee was gone. Cotto don't give a damn about the middleweight title. If he did he would be defending it against the best middleweights out there. Or at least against the best opponent available. But he's not. For someone who says there a fan of Alvarez you sure are selling him short. Facts don't lie. And the facts are Alvarez is on a accelerated pace to surpass Cotto and several other superstar accomplishments. Alvarez has already beaten Lara, Kirkland, Angulo, Trout and has been in the ring against the best fighter in the world (Mayweather). And all he's trying to do now is get in ring against the middleweight champion (and he gets hated on for that). And he's only 24 years old. Aside from Japanese monster Naoya Inoue name me a fighter that has beaten that level of opposition at 24 years old. At 24 years old Cotto was fighting Demetrio Ceballos and Rocky Martinez. Mediocre fighters nowhere near the level of Lara or Trout. Now tell me. What facts did I twist now?Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnCotto took the history making fight with Martinez, which turned out to be an exceptional business decision. He only turned it down the 2nd time because of his promotional situation. You're twisting facts again. Like I've said, I'm a huge fan of Canelo but lets not pretend he's even achieved anything on the level of Cotto. Also, I don't see Canelo negotiating with Golovkin, instead he fought the mediocre, steamrolled James Kirkland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Cotto wanted to be the first Puerto Rican fighter to win titles in four different weight divisions. Martinez was there and available. Cotto took it. Canelo would've done exactly the same thing if in Cotto's place, and to say otherwise is to insult the intelligence of everyone here.
... and again with the age thing. :vd:
Once again... I'll rehash the same thing for the millionth time. You can't compare ages between Cotto and Canelo. Cotto turned pro at 21. That same year he suffered a serious car accident that produced career-threatening injuries, which he overcame to continue fighting. He won his first title (albeit regional) in his 14th fight against Cesar Bazan, and in his 21st fight beat Kelson Pinto for the WBO super lightweight title. His list of opponents has, and always will, put Canelo's list to shame.
Meanwhile, Canelo turned pro at 15, fattening his pro record with a long series of bums. I told you what Cotto did for his 21st fight. What was Canelo doing at the same stage? His 20th fight was against the great Francisco Villanueva (5-17-2), who Canelo had already knocked out 3 months earlier!! I guess they ran out of fresh bums, so they decided to retread some used ones. He stayed comfortably within the friendly confines of Mexico until finally venturing out to Las Vegas for his 33rd fight, against Miguel's brother, Jose Miguel.
What facts did you twist now? ALL of them.
You keep lobbing half-truths this way....... I keep bashing them over the center field wall.
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Walk off grandslam
Alvarez may well surpass Cotto, but you're slagging Cotto because of his nationality not because of his record. To say Cotto should be fighting the best middleweights out there is fair enough, but hardly any fighter does that nowadays. Cotto already beat the lineal middleweight champ and the majority of people on here thought he'd lose that. When Alvarez won his light-middleweight title he defended against a string of mediocre welterweights like Gomez & Cintron.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseCotto took the fight against Martinez cuz it was easy pick-ins. Everybody knew Martinez knee was gone. Cotto don't give a damn about the middleweight title. If he did he would be defending it against the best middleweights out there. Or at least against the best opponent available. But he's not. For someone who says there a fan of Alvarez you sure are selling him short. Facts don't lie. And the facts are Alvarez is on a accelerated pace to surpass Cotto and several other superstar accomplishments. Alvarez has already beaten Lara, Kirkland, Angulo, Trout and has been in the ring against the best fighter in the world (Mayweather). And all he's trying to do now is get in ring against the middleweight champion (and he gets hated on for that). And he's only 24 years old. Aside from Japanese monster Naoya Inoue name me a fighter that has beaten that level of opposition at 24 years old. At 24 years old Cotto was fighting Demetrio Ceballos and Rocky Martinez. Mediocre fighters nowhere near the level of Lara or Trout. Now tell me. What facts did I twist now?Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnCotto took the history making fight with Martinez, which turned out to be an exceptional business decision. He only turned it down the 2nd time because of his promotional situation. You're twisting facts again. Like I've said, I'm a huge fan of Canelo but lets not pretend he's even achieved anything on the level of Cotto. Also, I don't see Canelo negotiating with Golovkin, instead he fought the mediocre, steamrolled James Kirkland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
You're looking at little things to pick at the career of a great fighter purely because he's from Puerto Rico. I didn't catch you slagging Juan Manuel Marquez when people said he was ducking Provodnikov and he chose to fight Alvarado instead. If Cotto was Mexican you'd be licking his bollocks and you know it.
So that just makes it OK, than right? Anyway for you to say I'm "slagging" Cotto cuz of his nationality is 100% inaccurate. I'm "slagging" him for refusing to face Alvarez. You make Cotto Japanese or from the UK and I promise you I'm coming down on him just the same for not facing Alvarez.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnAlvarez may well surpass Cotto, but you're slagging Cotto because of his nationality not because of his record. To say Cotto should be fighting the best middleweights out there is fair enough, but hardly any fighter does that nowadays. Cotto already beat the lineal middleweight champ and the majority of people on here thought he'd lose that. When Alvarez won his light-middleweight title he defended against a string of mediocre welterweights like Gomez & Cintron.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseCotto took the fight against Martinez cuz it was easy pick-ins. Everybody knew Martinez knee was gone. Cotto don't give a damn about the middleweight title. If he did he would be defending it against the best middleweights out there. Or at least against the best opponent available. But he's not. For someone who says there a fan of Alvarez you sure are selling him short. Facts don't lie. And the facts are Alvarez is on a accelerated pace to surpass Cotto and several other superstar accomplishments. Alvarez has already beaten Lara, Kirkland, Angulo, Trout and has been in the ring against the best fighter in the world (Mayweather). And all he's trying to do now is get in ring against the middleweight champion (and he gets hated on for that). And he's only 24 years old. Aside from Japanese monster Naoya Inoue name me a fighter that has beaten that level of opposition at 24 years old. At 24 years old Cotto was fighting Demetrio Ceballos and Rocky Martinez. Mediocre fighters nowhere near the level of Lara or Trout. Now tell me. What facts did I twist now?Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnCotto took the history making fight with Martinez, which turned out to be an exceptional business decision. He only turned it down the 2nd time because of his promotional situation. You're twisting facts again. Like I've said, I'm a huge fan of Canelo but lets not pretend he's even achieved anything on the level of Cotto. Also, I don't see Canelo negotiating with Golovkin, instead he fought the mediocre, steamrolled James Kirkland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
You're looking at little things to pick at the career of a great fighter purely because he's from Puerto Rico. I didn't catch you slagging Juan Manuel Marquez when people said he was ducking Provodnikov and he chose to fight Alvarado instead. If Cotto was Mexican you'd be licking his bollocks and you know it.
All this hating on Alvarez opposition is ridiculous. And it shows ignorance. True boxing fans regard his early opposition as on the job training. Once he learned what he had to learn he's done what he can to take on the best. Alvarez wanted to face Cotto back in 2002. The fight failed to materialize cuz Cotto lost to Austin Trout. So what did Alvarez do? He took on Trout. Than it was the best fighter in the world, Mayweather. That was followed by a get well fight not against a D level opponent like Delvin Rodriguez. But a B fighter in Alfredo Angulo. Than came a fight against the best fighter in the division Erislandy Lara. After trying and failing to make a fight against Cotto he settles for a fight against Kirkland. And he's still gets hated on. Un fucking believable
Not sure how any Cotto fan can defend this horseshit. I'm one or was. They will need another hotel room just for his head. So a non-middleweight, middleweight champion will now demand that no middleweight can weigh in at 160 as long as he is the middleweight champion.Quote:
By Miguel Rivera
WBC middleweight champion Miguel Cotto (39-4, 32KOs) is not concerned with any weight related complaints that are coming from his opponents.
This Saturday night at the Barclays Center in Brooklyn, Cotto will make the first defense of his world title against former champion Daniel Geale (31-3, 16KOs).
Last June, Cotto challenged Sergio Martinez for the WBC title with a catch-weight of 159-pounds in place. For the fight with Geale, a catch-weight of 157-pounds was demanded and set in motion.
Cotto was asked about the scenario of a potential opponent, like WBA/IBO champion Gennady 'GGG' Golovkin or otherwise, rejecting a catch-weight request.
"I had to do [a catch-weight] at this particular time and anyone who wants to fight me must accept a catch-weight or otherwise there is no fight," Cotto said.
Geale did not agree with Cotto's catch-weight demand, but he was forced to accept it or there wouldn't have been a fight.
“I have to be honest—if it’s not a title fight, then a catchweight is not a problem. But if you’re fighting for a middleweight title, then weight limit is 160 for that fight,” Geale said. “I find it funny. It should be at 160 but I’m not going to complain.”
Pathetic. And the WBC are such scabs. And one more And. All the A-side crap is starting to give me a headache. It’s a quantity over quality allowance for fools. Cotto is making a fool out of himself, the sport and the middleweight division PERIOD!
Just drop the strap. You dont need it anyway hostage taker.
Cotto needs the belt and status as the middlewight champion to maximise his income. If he moved down to light middle, which he rightfuly should, he would earn less money against Canelo. So as long as he keeps the strap he can make unnecessary demands.
Cotto will drop GGG names in interviews to pretend that he is on Cotto's list of fighters but in reality he will not go there at all. Cotto will either lose his crown, relinquish/stripped of the belt or retire.