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"Ali hate"..... what's the point??
Tyson would've destroyed Ali. Marciano would've destroyed Ali. Norton DID beat Ali. Hell... let's carry it further and say Butterbean would've beat Ali. Ali wasn't all that great. He was disrespectful... he dodged the draft... he clowned opponents. Some here even refuse to use his chosen name. It's Clay this... Clay that... almost with disdain. Yet any other athlete in any other sport changes his name and we all flock to use it. What's the point in all this hate??
Was Ali TBE? Most probably not. At least in my own personal opinion. There's plenty of other fighters who could probably claim that with more backup than Ali. Is Ali an ATG? He most certainly is. He won some fights nobody thought he would win (Liston, Foreman)... and was involved in some of the sport's best classics (Ali-Frazier III). He polarized the sport. He made some people love him... made others hate him. But the result was the same. He drew people to the sport. They either wanted him to win, or wanted him destroyed.
Let's face it. Were it not for Ali during that time, boxing wouldn't have made that huge leap in popularity that made it so popular in the decades that followed.
I'd like to hear from the haters themselves. What is it about Ali that brings out the vast amount of hate? I'm just curious. Were you around when Ali was fighting? Did you hate his off the ring antics? Did his stance on Vietnam or race relations irk you? Did you take his hate relationship with Joe Frazier personally? Are you pissed that Larry Holmes (as Holmes is and will always be) never got the attention you thought he deserved because he followed in Ali's footsteps?
What?
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Re: "Ali hate"..... what's the point??
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Tyson would've destroyed Ali. Marciano would've destroyed Ali. Norton DID beat Ali. Hell... let's carry it further and say Butterbean would've beat Ali. Ali wasn't all that great. He was disrespectful... he dodged the draft... he clowned opponents. Some here even refuse to use his chosen name. It's Clay this... Clay that... almost with disdain. Yet any other athlete in any other sport changes his name and we all flock to use it. What's the point in all this hate??
Was Ali TBE? Most probably not. At least in my own personal opinion. There's plenty of other fighters who could probably claim that with more backup than Ali. Is Ali an ATG? He most certainly is. He won some fights nobody thought he would win (Liston, Foreman)... and was involved in some of the sport's best classics (Ali-Frazier III). He polarized the sport. He made some people love him... made others hate him. But the result was the same. He drew people to the sport. They either wanted him to win, or wanted him destroyed.
Let's face it. Were it not for Ali during that time, boxing wouldn't have made that huge leap in popularity that made it so popular in the decades that followed.
I'd like to hear from the haters themselves. What is it about Ali that brings out the vast amount of hate? I'm just curious. Were you around when Ali was fighting? Did you hate his off the ring antics? Did his stance on Vietnam or race relations irk you? Did you take his hate relationship with Joe Frazier personally? Are you pissed that Larry Holmes (as Holmes is and will always be) never got the attention you thought he deserved because he followed in Ali's footsteps?
What?
There is not one thing specifically.
Just an accumulation of bad behavior issues. = 'I dislike the guy.'
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I hate that he's referred to as 'The Greatest' when he's not even close. For the time he was unique, and he was full of personality and was great for boxing, but its like saying Oscar was the best ever. Good fighter, but get outta here with 'The Greatest'.
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Originally Posted by
Bill Paxtom
There is not one thing specifically.
Just an accumulation of bad behavior issues. = 'I dislike the guy.'
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Originally Posted by
bzkfn
I hate that he's referred to as 'The Greatest' when he's not even close. For the time he was unique, and he was full of personality and was great for boxing, but its like saying Oscar was the best ever. Good fighter, but get outta here with 'The Greatest'.
These are fair enough reasons. :)
I just think it's interesting getting to the bottom of the hate that we have toward some fighters.
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Re: "Ali hate"..... what's the point??
I still rate Ali as the #1 HW of all time.
Being the #1 HW or ATG of all time doesn't mean you would beat everyone's ass. Nobody could beat everyone's ass, there are always going to be guys that are poison for you.
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I don't like Ali I think he's maybe top 3 heavyweights all time. He's called the greatest because he called himself that...Joe Louis was the greatest hands down
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Re: "Ali hate"..... what's the point??
I've nothing against the bloke really. Great fighter, some interesting views, but also horribly racist too and some very sinister attitudes towards women. He was just a boxer though and it's the media that seems to think we should worship him. Maybe that's why people don't like Hillary Clinton too. You have absurdity thrown at you constantly, then you are eventually going to say 'This is absurd!'.
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Tyson would've destroyed Ali. Marciano would've destroyed Ali. Norton DID beat Ali. Hell... let's carry it further and say Butterbean would've beat Ali. Ali wasn't all that great. He was disrespectful... he dodged the draft... he clowned opponents. Some here even refuse to use his chosen name. It's Clay this... Clay that... almost with disdain. Yet any other athlete in any other sport changes his name and we all flock to use it. What's the point in all this hate??
Was Ali TBE? Most probably not. At least in my own personal opinion. There's plenty of other fighters who could probably claim that with more backup than Ali. Is Ali an ATG? He most certainly is. He won some fights nobody thought he would win (Liston, Foreman)... and was involved in some of the sport's best classics (Ali-Frazier III). He polarized the sport. He made some people love him... made others hate him. But the result was the same. He drew people to the sport. They either wanted him to win, or wanted him destroyed.
Let's face it. Were it not for Ali during that time, boxing wouldn't have made that huge leap in popularity that made it so popular in the decades that followed.
I'd like to hear from the haters themselves. What is it about Ali that brings out the vast amount of hate? I'm just curious. Were you around when Ali was fighting? Did you hate his off the ring antics? Did his stance on Vietnam or race relations irk you? Did you take his hate relationship with Joe Frazier personally? Are you pissed that Larry Holmes (as Holmes is and will always be) never got the attention you thought he deserved because he followed in Ali's footsteps?
What?
There are many boxing fans who would probably say it just makes them feel good. When you hear someone ragging on Ali, you can say that could be someone who is feeling good. LOL
I don't like Ali for a lot of reasons, he changed boxing in many ways, some good and some bad, but hating him will not change a thing. Hey, if it makes you feel good go for it, but it's still a terrible waste of your valuable time. IMO
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Tyson would've destroyed Ali. Marciano would've destroyed Ali. Norton DID beat Ali. Hell... let's carry it further and say Butterbean would've beat Ali. Ali wasn't all that great. He was disrespectful... he dodged the draft... he clowned opponents. Some here even refuse to use his chosen name. It's Clay this... Clay that... almost with disdain. Yet any other athlete in any other sport changes his name and we all flock to use it. What's the point in all this hate??
Was Ali TBE? Most probably not. At least in my own personal opinion. There's plenty of other fighters who could probably claim that with more backup than Ali. Is Ali an ATG? He most certainly is. He won some fights nobody thought he would win (Liston, Foreman)... and was involved in some of the sport's best classics (Ali-Frazier III). He polarized the sport. He made some people love him... made others hate him. But the result was the same. He drew people to the sport. They either wanted him to win, or wanted him destroyed.
Let's face it. Were it not for Ali during that time, boxing wouldn't have made that huge leap in popularity that made it so popular in the decades that followed.
I'd like to hear from the haters themselves. What is it about Ali that brings out the vast amount of hate? I'm just curious. Were you around when Ali was fighting? Did you hate his off the ring antics? Did his stance on Vietnam or race relations irk you? Did you take his hate relationship with Joe Frazier personally? Are you pissed that Larry Holmes (as Holmes is and will always be) never got the attention you thought he deserved because he followed in Ali's footsteps?
What?
Most of the haters of Ali are those that were not even born when Ali was actually boxing
I was I followed his career since the day I saw him fight Henry Cooper in London as a kid
we wanted to see Henry silence the Louisville Lip & even booed Clay. I Left that fight a life long fan To me Ali is THE GREATEST in & out of the ring
You say Ali dodged the draft that's why he is hated. Ali refused induction due to his religious beliefs, Beliefs I do not share with him but I respect him for standing up for what he believed in He took what ever punishment they dished out .He didn't run to Canada or England like a certain gentleman named William Jefferson Clinton ran to avoid the draft. Clintons "punishment" You made him President of the United States ROFLMAO
I agree he went too far at times insulting opponents especially Joe Frazier but he was really only selling the fights. I met Joe & Earnie Shavers many years ago in Dallas & talked to them both about Ali. I asked Joe if they really hated each other Joes answer was " I would not claim to be his friend & go out for a beer with him but Ive never met a man I respected more. I hit him as hard as I have ever hit any man & he never stoped coming, If I was at war in the trenches he is the man I'd like to have fighting alongside me". Earnie grinned & said " I agree with Joe"
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Ali not going off to fight in an immoral, barbaric war was one of the positive things about him. People have no duty to be machine gun fodder for government. Barbaric, immoral conquests to perpetuate a war machine. Good on Ali for not playing ball.
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Gandalf
Ali not going off to fight in an immoral, barbaric war was one of the positive things about him. People have no duty to be machine gun fodder for government. Barbaric, immoral conquests to perpetuate a war machine. Good on Ali for not playing ball.
Ali was a draft dodger. We all know Islamics have no qualms about war.
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walrus
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
Ali not going off to fight in an immoral, barbaric war was one of the positive things about him. People have no duty to be machine gun fodder for government. Barbaric, immoral conquests to perpetuate a war machine. Good on Ali for not playing ball.
Ali was a draft dodger. We all know Islamics have no qualms about war.
Every person has the right to resist what they believe is wrong. Ali had a choice and he made it. Ali was against war, not for it. No rational person is for war.
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walrus
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
Ali not going off to fight in an immoral, barbaric war was one of the positive things about him. People have no duty to be machine gun fodder for government. Barbaric, immoral conquests to perpetuate a war machine. Good on Ali for not playing ball.
Ali was a draft dodger. We all know Islamics have no qualms about war.
Come on bro. The obligation of jihad has nothing to do with the land of the free ;)
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Gandalf
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Originally Posted by
walrus
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Originally Posted by
Gandalf
Ali not going off to fight in an immoral, barbaric war was one of the positive things about him. People have no duty to be machine gun fodder for government. Barbaric, immoral conquests to perpetuate a war machine. Good on Ali for not playing ball.
Ali was a draft dodger. We all know Islamics have no qualms about war.
Every person has the right to resist what they believe is wrong. Ali had a choice and he made it. Ali was against war, not for it. No rational person is for war.
Mr. Gandalf
Cassius Clay was {Age; 22} in 1964 when he started 'chirping'.
Vietnam was 'only' a minor conflict at the time. The Vietnam Conflict had absolutely
nothing to do with Cassius Clay's {original} decision in late-1964 {correct period of time}.
Cassius Clay {just flat out} did not want to be 'drafted' into the United States Army.
When the United States Selective Service came knocking >
He {Cassius} felt that he was 'special' at the time.
This is a 'direct' statement from Cassius Clay.
"They {United States Selective Service} want a Clay in the Army. Well, I'll give them one.
My brother Rudy will go for me. That should keep 'them' happy."
"I'm making too much money to go into the Army. They just want my money and my new
car {Pinkish-Red Cadillac}. And I'm supposed to go to Hollywood to make a Motion Picture.
They are trying to ruin my life. They don't want me to be famous."
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Dear Bill
You really need to get out more
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Greenbeanz
Dear Bill
You really need to get out more
Why,
When I have Ms. Barbeau here.
"You see Mr. Greenbeanz. Bill and I are working on a lot of special projects together. I guess
you could call me Bill's 'right-hand girl'."
Adrienne Barbeau
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Re: "Ali hate"..... what's the point??
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Bill Paxtom
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Originally Posted by
Greenbeanz
Dear Bill
You really need to get out more
Why,
When I have Ms. Barbeau here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5Lec3m1pLY
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Re: "Ali hate"..... what's the point??
You know Ali tried to go into the army before right and they turned him down and when he became the hw champ all the sudden they try to draft him. I know being black in the 1960's was shit most likely and hell after he won the gold medal for our country they would not even serve his ass at a dinner know how fucked up that is. Ali had his believes and he stood by them and did not run and served his jail time like he was supposed to do so i dont hate a man for what he believes in. Ali has one of the best fighters to ever walk in to the ring was champ in the 60's 70's and even in the 80's when Holmes beat him. Ali was who he was a guy that had a larger then life image and who was a great fighter i mean who does not know who Ali is i mean fucking everyone in world knows the guy if wants to call himself the greatest so be it he backed it up enough.
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Originally Posted by
Mr140
You know Ali tried to go into the army before right and they turned him down and when he became the hw champ all the sudden they try to draft him. I know being black in the 1960's was shit most likely and hell after he won the gold medal for our country they would not even serve his ass at a dinner know how fucked up that is. Ali had his believes and he stood by them and did not run and served his jail time like he was supposed to do so i dont hate a man for what he believes in. Ali has one of the best fighters to ever walk in to the ring was champ in the 60's 70's and even in the 80's when Holmes beat him. Ali was who he was a guy that had a larger then life image and who was a great fighter i mean who does not know who Ali is i mean fucking everyone in world knows the guy if wants to call himself the greatest so be it he backed it up enough.
Everything you just stated,
Was released by Cassius Clay's press people, to make him look good in the public's eye.
Cassius 'never' wanted to go into the United States Military, unless it was as a 'Spaceship Commander'.
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Originally Posted by
C.J.Rock
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Tyson would've destroyed Ali. Marciano would've destroyed Ali. Norton DID beat Ali. Hell... let's carry it further and say Butterbean would've beat Ali. Ali wasn't all that great. He was disrespectful... he dodged the draft... he clowned opponents. Some here even refuse to use his chosen name. It's Clay this... Clay that... almost with disdain. Yet any other athlete in any other sport changes his name and we all flock to use it. What's the point in all this hate??
Was Ali TBE? Most probably not. At least in my own personal opinion. There's plenty of other fighters who could probably claim that with more backup than Ali. Is Ali an ATG? He most certainly is. He won some fights nobody thought he would win (Liston, Foreman)... and was involved in some of the sport's best classics (Ali-Frazier III). He polarized the sport. He made some people love him... made others hate him. But the result was the same. He drew people to the sport. They either wanted him to win, or wanted him destroyed.
Let's face it. Were it not for Ali during that time, boxing wouldn't have made that huge leap in popularity that made it so popular in the decades that followed.
I'd like to hear from the haters themselves. What is it about Ali that brings out the vast amount of hate? I'm just curious. Were you around when Ali was fighting? Did you hate his off the ring antics? Did his stance on Vietnam or race relations irk you? Did you take his hate relationship with Joe Frazier personally? Are you pissed that Larry Holmes (as Holmes is and will always be) never got the attention you thought he deserved because he followed in Ali's footsteps?
What?
Most of the haters of Ali are those that were not even born when Ali was actually boxing
I was I followed his career since the day I saw him fight Henry Cooper in London as a kid
we wanted to see Henry silence the Louisville Lip & even booed Clay. I Left that fight a life long fan To me Ali is THE GREATEST in & out of the ring
You say Ali dodged the draft that's why he is hated. Ali refused induction due to his religious beliefs, Beliefs I do not share with him but I respect him for standing up for what he believed in He took what ever punishment they dished out .He didn't run to Canada or England like a certain gentleman named William Jefferson Clinton ran to avoid the draft. Clintons "punishment" You made him President of the United States ROFLMAO
I agree he went too far at times insulting opponents especially Joe Frazier but he was really only selling the fights. I met Joe & Earnie Shavers many years ago in Dallas & talked to them both about Ali. I asked Joe if they really hated each other Joes answer was " I would not claim to be his friend & go out for a beer with him but Ive never met a man I respected more. I hit him as hard as I have ever hit any man & he never stoped coming, If I was at war in the trenches he is the man I'd like to have fighting alongside me". Earnie grinned & said " I agree with Joe"
Good post.
Nothing like personal experience.
The bolded statement is the point I was trying to make also.
It's comical to be hated by someone who wasn't even born when the guy was fighting.
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Re: "Ali hate"..... what's the point??
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
C.J.Rock
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Tyson would've destroyed Ali. Marciano would've destroyed Ali. Norton DID beat Ali. Hell... let's carry it further and say Butterbean would've beat Ali. Ali wasn't all that great. He was disrespectful... he dodged the draft... he clowned opponents. Some here even refuse to use his chosen name. It's Clay this... Clay that... almost with disdain. Yet any other athlete in any other sport changes his name and we all flock to use it. What's the point in all this hate??
Was Ali TBE? Most probably not. At least in my own personal opinion. There's plenty of other fighters who could probably claim that with more backup than Ali. Is Ali an ATG? He most certainly is. He won some fights nobody thought he would win (Liston, Foreman)... and was involved in some of the sport's best classics (Ali-Frazier III). He polarized the sport. He made some people love him... made others hate him. But the result was the same. He drew people to the sport. They either wanted him to win, or wanted him destroyed.
Let's face it. Were it not for Ali during that time, boxing wouldn't have made that huge leap in popularity that made it so popular in the decades that followed.
I'd like to hear from the haters themselves. What is it about Ali that brings out the vast amount of hate? I'm just curious. Were you around when Ali was fighting? Did you hate his off the ring antics? Did his stance on Vietnam or race relations irk you? Did you take his hate relationship with Joe Frazier personally? Are you pissed that Larry Holmes (as Holmes is and will always be) never got the attention you thought he deserved because he followed in Ali's footsteps?
What?
Most of the haters of Ali are those that were not even born when Ali was actually boxing
I was I followed his career since the day I saw him fight Henry Cooper in London as a kid
we wanted to see Henry silence the Louisville Lip & even booed Clay. I Left that fight a life long fan To me Ali is THE GREATEST in & out of the ring
You say Ali dodged the draft that's why he is hated. Ali refused induction due to his religious beliefs, Beliefs I do not share with him but I respect him for standing up for what he believed in He took what ever punishment they dished out .He didn't run to Canada or England like a certain gentleman named William Jefferson Clinton ran to avoid the draft. Clintons "punishment" You made him President of the United States ROFLMAO
I agree he went too far at times insulting opponents especially Joe Frazier but he was really only selling the fights. I met Joe & Earnie Shavers many years ago in Dallas & talked to them both about Ali. I asked Joe if they really hated each other Joes answer was " I would not claim to be his friend & go out for a beer with him but Ive never met a man I respected more. I hit him as hard as I have ever hit any man & he never stoped coming, If I was at war in the trenches he is the man I'd like to have fighting alongside me". Earnie grinned & said " I agree with Joe"
Good post.
Nothing like personal experience.
The bolded statement is the point I was trying to make also.
It's comical to be hated by someone who wasn't even born when the guy was fighting.
Based on that analogy,
Nobody had the right to hate Adolf Hitler, because we weren't born when he was playing
'tag-your-dead'.
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"I never hated Cassius Clay. Or for that matter Adolf Hitler. I just think they both were a bit misguided and over-zealous, that's all."
Marlene Dietrich
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Re: "Ali hate"..... what's the point??
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Originally Posted by
Bill Paxtom
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
C.J.Rock
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Tyson would've destroyed Ali. Marciano would've destroyed Ali. Norton DID beat Ali. Hell... let's carry it further and say Butterbean would've beat Ali. Ali wasn't all that great. He was disrespectful... he dodged the draft... he clowned opponents. Some here even refuse to use his chosen name. It's Clay this... Clay that... almost with disdain. Yet any other athlete in any other sport changes his name and we all flock to use it. What's the point in all this hate??
Was Ali TBE? Most probably not. At least in my own personal opinion. There's plenty of other fighters who could probably claim that with more backup than Ali. Is Ali an ATG? He most certainly is. He won some fights nobody thought he would win (Liston, Foreman)... and was involved in some of the sport's best classics (Ali-Frazier III). He polarized the sport. He made some people love him... made others hate him. But the result was the same. He drew people to the sport. They either wanted him to win, or wanted him destroyed.
Let's face it. Were it not for Ali during that time, boxing wouldn't have made that huge leap in popularity that made it so popular in the decades that followed.
I'd like to hear from the haters themselves. What is it about Ali that brings out the vast amount of hate? I'm just curious. Were you around when Ali was fighting? Did you hate his off the ring antics? Did his stance on Vietnam or race relations irk you? Did you take his hate relationship with Joe Frazier personally? Are you pissed that Larry Holmes (as Holmes is and will always be) never got the attention you thought he deserved because he followed in Ali's footsteps?
What?
Most of the haters of Ali are those that were not even born when Ali was actually boxing
I was I followed his career since the day I saw him fight Henry Cooper in London as a kid
we wanted to see Henry silence the Louisville Lip & even booed Clay. I Left that fight a life long fan To me Ali is THE GREATEST in & out of the ring
You say Ali dodged the draft that's why he is hated. Ali refused induction due to his religious beliefs, Beliefs I do not share with him but I respect him for standing up for what he believed in He took what ever punishment they dished out .He didn't run to Canada or England like a certain gentleman named William Jefferson Clinton ran to avoid the draft. Clintons "punishment" You made him President of the United States ROFLMAO
I agree he went too far at times insulting opponents especially Joe Frazier but he was really only selling the fights. I met Joe & Earnie Shavers many years ago in Dallas & talked to them both about Ali. I asked Joe if they really hated each other Joes answer was " I would not claim to be his friend & go out for a beer with him but Ive never met a man I respected more. I hit him as hard as I have ever hit any man & he never stoped coming, If I was at war in the trenches he is the man I'd like to have fighting alongside me". Earnie grinned & said " I agree with Joe"
Good post.
Nothing like personal experience.
The bolded statement is the point I was trying to make also.
It's comical to be hated by someone who wasn't even born when the guy was fighting.
Based on that analogy,
Nobody had the right to hate Adolf Hitler, because we weren't born when he was playing
'tag-your-dead'.
You did NOT just compare Muhammad Ali with Adolf Hitler.
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Re: "Ali hate"..... what's the point??
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Bill Paxtom
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
C.J.Rock
Quote:
Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Tyson would've destroyed Ali. Marciano would've destroyed Ali. Norton DID beat Ali. Hell... let's carry it further and say Butterbean would've beat Ali. Ali wasn't all that great. He was disrespectful... he dodged the draft... he clowned opponents. Some here even refuse to use his chosen name. It's Clay this... Clay that... almost with disdain. Yet any other athlete in any other sport changes his name and we all flock to use it. What's the point in all this hate??
Was Ali TBE? Most probably not. At least in my own personal opinion. There's plenty of other fighters who could probably claim that with more backup than Ali. Is Ali an ATG? He most certainly is. He won some fights nobody thought he would win (Liston, Foreman)... and was involved in some of the sport's best classics (Ali-Frazier III). He polarized the sport. He made some people love him... made others hate him. But the result was the same. He drew people to the sport. They either wanted him to win, or wanted him destroyed.
Let's face it. Were it not for Ali during that time, boxing wouldn't have made that huge leap in popularity that made it so popular in the decades that followed.
I'd like to hear from the haters themselves. What is it about Ali that brings out the vast amount of hate? I'm just curious. Were you around when Ali was fighting? Did you hate his off the ring antics? Did his stance on Vietnam or race relations irk you? Did you take his hate relationship with Joe Frazier personally? Are you pissed that Larry Holmes (as Holmes is and will always be) never got the attention you thought he deserved because he followed in Ali's footsteps?
What?
Most of the haters of Ali are those that were not even born when Ali was actually boxing
I was I followed his career since the day I saw him fight Henry Cooper in London as a kid
we wanted to see Henry silence the Louisville Lip & even booed Clay. I Left that fight a life long fan To me Ali is THE GREATEST in & out of the ring
You say Ali dodged the draft that's why he is hated. Ali refused induction due to his religious beliefs, Beliefs I do not share with him but I respect him for standing up for what he believed in He took what ever punishment they dished out .He didn't run to Canada or England like a certain gentleman named William Jefferson Clinton ran to avoid the draft. Clintons "punishment" You made him President of the United States ROFLMAO
I agree he went too far at times insulting opponents especially Joe Frazier but he was really only selling the fights. I met Joe & Earnie Shavers many years ago in Dallas & talked to them both about Ali. I asked Joe if they really hated each other Joes answer was " I would not claim to be his friend & go out for a beer with him but Ive never met a man I respected more. I hit him as hard as I have ever hit any man & he never stoped coming, If I was at war in the trenches he is the man I'd like to have fighting alongside me". Earnie grinned & said " I agree with Joe"
Good post.
Nothing like personal experience.
The bolded statement is the point I was trying to make also.
It's comical to be hated by someone who wasn't even born when the guy was fighting.
Based on that analogy,
Nobody had the right to hate Adolf Hitler, because we weren't born when he was playing
'tag-your-dead'.
You did
NOT just compare Muhammad Ali with Adolf Hitler.
Don't twist words Tito.
You know 'exactly' the point I was making.
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Re: "Ali hate"..... what's the point??
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Originally Posted by
Bill Paxtom
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Bill Paxtom
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
C.J.Rock
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
Tyson would've destroyed Ali. Marciano would've destroyed Ali. Norton DID beat Ali. Hell... let's carry it further and say Butterbean would've beat Ali. Ali wasn't all that great. He was disrespectful... he dodged the draft... he clowned opponents. Some here even refuse to use his chosen name. It's Clay this... Clay that... almost with disdain. Yet any other athlete in any other sport changes his name and we all flock to use it. What's the point in all this hate??
Was Ali TBE? Most probably not. At least in my own personal opinion. There's plenty of other fighters who could probably claim that with more backup than Ali. Is Ali an ATG? He most certainly is. He won some fights nobody thought he would win (Liston, Foreman)... and was involved in some of the sport's best classics (Ali-Frazier III). He polarized the sport. He made some people love him... made others hate him. But the result was the same. He drew people to the sport. They either wanted him to win, or wanted him destroyed.
Let's face it. Were it not for Ali during that time, boxing wouldn't have made that huge leap in popularity that made it so popular in the decades that followed.
I'd like to hear from the haters themselves. What is it about Ali that brings out the vast amount of hate? I'm just curious. Were you around when Ali was fighting? Did you hate his off the ring antics? Did his stance on Vietnam or race relations irk you? Did you take his hate relationship with Joe Frazier personally? Are you pissed that Larry Holmes (as Holmes is and will always be) never got the attention you thought he deserved because he followed in Ali's footsteps?
What?
Most of the haters of Ali are those that were not even born when Ali was actually boxing
I was I followed his career since the day I saw him fight Henry Cooper in London as a kid
we wanted to see Henry silence the Louisville Lip & even booed Clay. I Left that fight a life long fan To me Ali is THE GREATEST in & out of the ring
You say Ali dodged the draft that's why he is hated. Ali refused induction due to his religious beliefs, Beliefs I do not share with him but I respect him for standing up for what he believed in He took what ever punishment they dished out .He didn't run to Canada or England like a certain gentleman named William Jefferson Clinton ran to avoid the draft. Clintons "punishment" You made him President of the United States ROFLMAO
I agree he went too far at times insulting opponents especially Joe Frazier but he was really only selling the fights. I met Joe & Earnie Shavers many years ago in Dallas & talked to them both about Ali. I asked Joe if they really hated each other Joes answer was " I would not claim to be his friend & go out for a beer with him but Ive never met a man I respected more. I hit him as hard as I have ever hit any man & he never stoped coming, If I was at war in the trenches he is the man I'd like to have fighting alongside me". Earnie grinned & said " I agree with Joe"
Good post.
Nothing like personal experience.
The bolded statement is the point I was trying to make also.
It's comical to be hated by someone who wasn't even born when the guy was fighting.
Based on that analogy,
Nobody had the right to hate Adolf Hitler, because we weren't born when he was playing
'tag-your-dead'.
You did
NOT just compare Muhammad Ali with Adolf Hitler.
Don't twist words Tito.
You know 'exactly' the point I was making.
What.
That refusing to be drafted for the Vietnam War as a conscientious objector and making fun of opponents to help sell fights is somehow comparable to wanting to exterminate a whole race of people because you live under the twisted assumption that your own race is somehow superior to those you want to exterminate?
And by that comparison it's ok to hate both guys even if you were born after their time?
Is that the point you were making?
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Tito Fan,
You are aware that Muhammad Ali hated 'white people' don't you.
As well as educated blacks.
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I dislike Clay for many reasons , boxing is about opinions , he had his and I have mine.
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Ali not going off to fight in an immoral, barbaric war was one of the positive things about him. People have no duty to be machine gun fodder for government. Barbaric, immoral conquests to perpetuate a war machine. Good on Ali for not playing ball.
Come on now. Ali was never gonna see any action. He wasn't gonna be anywhere near the front-lines. All they wanted him to do was go around and meet the soldiers and boost up moral. He was never gonna fire a weapon.
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Ali not going off to fight in an immoral, barbaric war was one of the positive things about him. People have no duty to be machine gun fodder for government. Barbaric, immoral conquests to perpetuate a war machine. Good on Ali for not playing ball.
Come on now. Ali was never gonna see any action. He wasn't gonna be anywhere near the front-lines. All they wanted him to do was go around and meet the soldiers and boost up moral. He was never gonna fire a weapon.
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I dislike Clay for many reasons , boxing is about opinions , he had his and I have mine.
I agree with Al here.
But some people just do not like to let others have their opinions. and if those people read the same opinion a few times they get their knickers all up in a right twist. they want to make the rules about when enough is enough. Now that arrogance is much worse than a person who posts in overkill mode on a certain topic.
Don't like overkill then don't read it it's that simple.
At that point they begin resorting to calling people hypocrites and then they try to get up on their moral high horse (for the good of humanity/this forum I am OH so sure MOOHAHA) and they start to become a self-appointed bastion of fairness and hypocrite-pointer-outer.
That is much more pathetic than someone who posts over and over on a certain topic.
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The reason for the hate,
Because a good portion of the public realized that Cassius Clay was 'a fraud'.
Not in his boxing ability. But in everything else.
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Ali is the greatest ever heavyweight champions hands down.
He is one of the greatest ever sportsmen ever.
He has given so much to the sport of boxing.
Hate him all you want he has done amazing things.
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Ali is the greatest ever heavyweight champions hands down.
He's received more 'gifts' than Prince William.
He is one of the greatest ever sportsmen ever.
Hey 'Gorilla' we're here in 'Manila'.
He has given so much to the sport of boxing.
Like what. How many 'Boxing Schools' has he opened for young kids.
Hate him all you want he has done amazing things.
Yes, he was a 'Third-Rate' magician, and even a worse husband {Married 5-times}.
How about them 'Apples'.
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I hate that he's referred to as 'The Greatest' when he's not even close. For the time he was unique, and he was full of personality and was great for boxing, but its like saying Oscar was the best ever. Good fighter, but get outta here with 'The Greatest'.
Who was the greatest in your opinion?
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bzkfn
I hate that he's referred to as 'The Greatest' when he's not even close. For the time he was unique, and he was full of personality and was great for boxing, but its like saying Oscar was the best ever. Good fighter, but get outta here with 'The Greatest'.
Who was the greatest in your opinion?
Exacto Mundo 'Imp',
Guess who coined himself 'The Greatest'.
In 'all' cases, it is the voice {an opinion} of others to call somebody great.
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I think Ali is #1 because his skills were top notch and I think he beat the best competition of all time. I don't see how Joe Louis was any more skilled than Ali and he certainly never beat the caliber of opponent Ali did.
I think Ali is overrated as a person though. People talk about him like he was a hero to dodge the war... but the fact was he only ever spoke out against the war when he was FORCED to join the service or go to jail. When he was safe and deemed "unfit" for service, he didn't stand up against the war for those who were being sent over. So I think his actions were much more self serving than consensus believes.
He was a great personality but he was also a jerk, easily manipulated and used as a puppet by the N.O.I.
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1. Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Larry Holmes
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Master
1. Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Larry Holmes
Joe Louis ........... Was a better 'fighting machine, with more of an offensive arsenal.
Larry Holmes ....... Was smarter, and had a better {harder and faster} left-jab
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Bill Paxtom
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Master
1. Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Larry Holmes
Joe Louis ........... Was a better 'fighting machine, with more of an offensive arsenal.
Larry Holmes ....... Was smarter, and had a better {harder and faster} left-jab
Louis was vulnerable to a boxer ask Billy Conn. Ali was bigger and better than Conn.
Holmes had a great jab but that would not be enough to beat Ali.
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Clay was never the best , I fail to see how anyone can like a yellow bellied coward.
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Clay was never the best , I fail to see how anyone can like a yellow bellied coward.
Ali was the bravest boxer in that ring ever.
