Mike Tyson: "HELL NO!!! I AIN'T FIGHTING THAT FREAK!"
for good reason, Mike ;)
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Mike Tyson: "HELL NO!!! I AIN'T FIGHTING THAT FREAK!"
for good reason, Mike ;)
Mike would have pounded Foreman's body into "hamburger" and smashed him hard in his "grill".
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"I got into selling grills because it's a field that was important to me and I could relate to."
"If I'd have fought Mike Tyson in the 90's, I probably would have sold dentures instead!"
in '91 Mike still had enough head movement to evade most of George's barrages.
Foreman's punches looked like they were in slow motion but I don't think Mike was going to win by a knockout. He either would have to go completely against his style of fighting back then or he would himself get knocked out. I am leaning towards Mike not changing and getting knocked out as well.
After one or two CONCUSSIVE, SPINE JOLTING SHOTS, Tyson would have mentally folded, and Foreman woulda knocked his lil punk ass out in about 5 rounds tops.
Foreman would have beaten Tyson senseless!
In 1991 Foreman had already learned and dealt mentally and psychologically with what Ali did to him but Mike Tyson was still being haunted by demons in 1991. When you go from "Invincible" to being the slain Goliath after having battled David there's a period of recovery that needs to happen and sure Tyson could have gotten refocused, but at the time he was not interested in training and being that machine he once was whereas Foreman WAS focused and completely dedicated to victory.
Foreman has some shaky moments but after round 3 it would be 100% Big George. The jab, the right cross, the hooks, the huge uppercut....they'd find the target and once they did Tyson would have to work in and in 1991 he didn't do that behind a jab the way he did in the mid-late 1980's.
Foreman's entire fight strategy at that point in his career was specifically "I will be there for another fighter to hit.....BUT I will hit him first, and I will hit him harder"....you didn't have to chase George you had to dance away from him, that was the brilliance about him and there would be 1 or 2 moments in a fight where George would stalk you down rather than wait for you to come to him.
I don't think George could last a round
Jerry Cooney was old, slow, and not up for the task.
Here's Mike against a guy who beat the hell out of Big George for 12 rounds!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIqp6qyemz8
And Foreman did better vs Holyfield than Tyson did....point?
Yeah washed up Tyson lolQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
You're so slippery with your examples, man! You're a slippery dude hahaha
Tyson was just like Ali - he was never the same after the Muslims got em hahah
I think the calm cool collected mental game of Foreman would be a massive benefit to Tysons shaky mental make up. Style wise, size and that mauling push off cross arm strength would put Tyson on his heels and keep him lunching for hooks and then falling in. Foreman was not just dangerous for 'natural' power but he delivered axe handle type punches, top of the head. Tyson was patch work coming out of prison and very carefully steered by King. Foreman was calling him out at every chance, naturally, but they had no desire..or really need..to touch Big George.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMwWynfQKLc
Holyfield "He (Foreman) hit me harder than any fighter. Even though he didn't knock me down, but with one shot I thought he knocked all my teeth out."
Meaning that Foreman hit Evander harder than Tyson, harder than Bowe, and harder than Lennox Lewis. I'm sure none of those guys when they land flush hit softly, but for Evander to say that it has an impact at least in my view of it.
Granted styles make fights and in this case you've got Foreman who never backed up and Tyson who never backed up, both are big time power punchers, ALL-TIME power punchers, but neither in their primes, 1 very old and looking to prove himself, 1 veteran looking to regain his place.....was Tyson dedicated enough to beat Foreman? I don't think so, I also think Foreman's aura would melt Tyson's will....that said if Tyson scored a quick knockdown who knows what would happen after that?
Prime vs Prime I think Foreman again is too big, too powerful, and he turns and spins Tyson the way he did to the then undefeated undisputed champion Joe Frazier and just bombs him out...that clubbing overhand right wouldn't sit well with Tyson or his defense
Fucking Buster Douglas beat the shit out Tyson so anything is possible really so i might go with Foreman. Tyson a shell love hearing that he beat the shit out of everyone on the comeback before Holyfeild. Hell Holyfeild was consider shot to shit and had a fucking hart attack and was older. Wtf is Tyson excuse i saw the opening rounds he went at Holyfeild he landed hard blows did not do shit. Foreman Chin was a lot like Holyfeild which would be a problem for Tyson more than anything his best win Larry and Spinks Larry being the far better win.
I think the wins over Bruno and Rudduck were Tyson's most impressive ones.
Well i mean Tyson was a great heavyweight champ dont get me wrong and his resume was not as bad as people make it seem. But he never fought anyone close to Holyfeild or Lewis in his prime and Old Foreman might catch who knows the man had power like no other.
It must be said that if Foreman was in his 20's when he fought Holyfield there's all likelihood he would have knocked Evander out.....he rocked the crap out of him when he was in his 40's...now add in some better footwork, some faster hands...that doesn't look great for Evander IMO
Evander always looked rocked but seem to bounce back all the time and new what to do when he got hurt also was a very underrated boxer. 37 year old Holyfeild gave Lewis one of his toughest fights in the rematch I give Holyfeild a chance against any heavyweight ever to fight. I am also a huge fan of his i am 25 years old and he was the first fight i could remember and people would be like he going to get killed all the time and he shock the world. Also i still pissed he did not get the belt at 48 against that freak he did just as good as Haye did and Holyfeild won that fight and could of retired i think if he won it. Oh yea and for people saying steroids for the man well 26 year career and never failing a test i say he fought on a even playing feild and that is all i am going to say about that.
Foreman in his 20s didn't have the skill, stamina or poise to beat Holyfield. He was used to swinging his arms and having guys fall over. Holyfield wouldn't have fell over and would have stopped him when he gassed out.
Foreman is pretty much THEE WORST style match up for Tyson. Evander had a "thing" for Tyson and without a doubt had Tyson's number in that ring. As horrible of a match up as Evander was for him though, it was nothing compared to the nightmare Foreman would've been.
Think of it this way: guys outbox Big George (think of Ali, Jimmy Young...etc.), they don't get aggressive and knock him out (look what happened to ATG Smking Joe Frazier). George pushes and manhandles Tyson, breaking him down behind that telephone pole Jab, and stops him between rounds 8-10.
Prime Tyson vs Prime Bowe/Lewis would've been interesting, but I favor both of them as well, although prime Tyson had the speed and ability to find Lewis' chin, which would've ended the fight early.
Tyson 1991 was not as good as he was 1986, 87 and 88 but he still was good enough to beat Foreman. Tyson probably would have battered Foreman for 12 rounds and I am sure Foreman would have got his hits in against Tyson. Mike would have hurt the old man.
Prime Tyson beats prime Foreman. Tyson was way better tha Frazier and his speed would annihilate George.
You don't really think that the younger Foreman had better footwork do you ;D? Given Foremans similar weight, tightly wound approach and porous defense I think the same Holyfield eats him up. That Foreman doesn't take Holyfield's repeated hooks and stay upright.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
george foreman blows the fuck away just about anybody,,,, are you motherfuckers kidding me.
end of thread,,, what the fuck, do you bastards know who you are talking about....
Brock you know sweet fa about boxing. Remember Ali.
Younger Foreman was faster on his feet he could move as evidenced vs Frazier where he turned Joe constantly and then dropped bombs.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliYou don't really think that the younger Foreman had better footwork do you ;D? Given Foremans similar weight, tightly wound approach and porous defense I think the same Holyfield eats him up. That Foreman doesn't take Holyfield's repeated hooks and stay upright.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
You guys talk like George Foreman was just a bum in his youth....he was a freak of nature!
Well he was not very smart fighter i mean Ali total tricked the shit out of him he should not have lost that fight then Young outboxed him pretty clearly. Holyfeild in prime was pretty hard to put away and he was a very good boxer with underrated power that took its tool on fighters.
Love me some Foreman, but he-they ain't beating Holyfield ;D. I get he was literally faster..younger and lighter than returning George, but he could also be heavy on them and sloppy. old George was so much more sure on his feet. Aware and chugging along in that short step. He'd push and pull a guy into position, pretty subtle.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongYounger Foreman was faster on his feet he could move as evidenced vs Frazier where he turned Joe constantly and then dropped bombs.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliYou don't really think that the younger Foreman had better footwork do you ;D? Given Foremans similar weight, tightly wound approach and porous defense I think the same Holyfield eats him up. That Foreman doesn't take Holyfield's repeated hooks and stay upright.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
You guys talk like George Foreman was just a bum in his youth....he was a freak of nature!
Holyfield was not the smartest fighter, remember Holmes saying he is strong but not clever. Holyfield fought dumb against Bowe the first time and if he did the same against Foreman he could get knocked out.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliLove me some Foreman, but he-they ain't beating Holyfield ;D. I get he was literally faster..younger and lighter than returning George, but he could also be heavy on them and sloppy. old George was so much more sure on his feet. Aware and chugging along in that short step. He'd push and pull a guy into position, pretty subtle.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongYounger Foreman was faster on his feet he could move as evidenced vs Frazier where he turned Joe constantly and then dropped bombs.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliYou don't really think that the younger Foreman had better footwork do you ;D? Given Foremans similar weight, tightly wound approach and porous defense I think the same Holyfield eats him up. That Foreman doesn't take Holyfield's repeated hooks and stay upright.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
You guys talk like George Foreman was just a bum in his youth....he was a freak of nature!
I think a peak Tyson beats any version of Foreman. Foreman was too slow. He's a sitting duck against Tyson.
Prior to Kevin Rooneys departure, Tyson wins (In my opinion, Tyson would've retired undefeated if he'd not fired Rooney).
But in the early 90's, Tyson would have the potential to win, but only if he has the sense to fight smart like Holyfield and Morrison did by sticking and moving and not standing still in front of him. However, and no offense to Mike, I don't think he would have. I believe eventually he would start brawling trying to knock Foreman out, and WHAM! Down in one punch.
Tyson beat Ruddock who was more dangerous at the time than Foreman. If he can stand and trade with that puncher, Tyson could do it against Big George. Prime Tyson moved to the sides but this 24 year old version was less disciplined which was why the fights with Donovan were tough fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Douglas
I think Tyson would dominate the first several rounds against Foreman, but would later get tired of moving around and then get tagged not unlike Micheal Moorer.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterTyson beat Ruddock who was more dangerous at the time than Foreman. If he can stand and trade with that puncher, Tyson could do it against Big George. Prime Tyson moved to the sides but this 24 year old version was less disciplined which was why the fights with Donovan were tough fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Douglas
Well i am not really sure who would of won the fight i think Tyson was better on the comeback then when he lost to Douglas. I mean some of best wins were before he lost to Holyfeild and Foreman was better when he was younger but lacked some ring smarts at times.
Foreman was no spring chicken either so he could tire from the punches he would take.Quote:
Originally Posted by DouglasI think Tyson would dominate the first several rounds against Foreman, but would later get tired of moving around and then get tagged not unlike Micheal Moorer.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterTyson beat Ruddock who was more dangerous at the time than Foreman. If he can stand and trade with that puncher, Tyson could do it against Big George. Prime Tyson moved to the sides but this 24 year old version was less disciplined which was why the fights with Donovan were tough fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Douglas
Tyson was hollow when he came out of jail. He looked good physically but that was muscle bound to hide his deficiency. Tyson looked spectacular for a few rounds but take him past r rounds and he was finished.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
You're kind of talking about Tyson like he's a stick and move boxer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Douglas
Could a 40 year old, 260lb Foreman keep the wind in his sails after engaging Tyson for several rounds and taking Tyson's body attack?
Tyson had a great chin in his day, not really comparable to the often rocked, often dropped Michael Moorer.
This thread is ridiculous.
This fight would have been a mismatch with Tyson winning every round on his way to a UD and Foreman's face ending up twice its original size. In many ways it would probably have been very similar to Tyson's fights with Ruddock.
Although past his best, Tyson was still very good in 1991 and was much too fast and agile for someone like Foreman. Foreman had power, but he was painfully slow and no one ever knocked Tyson out with a single punch - even when Tyson was completely shot.