What's up with Keith "One Time" Thurman?

He's touted as the next big thing at 147 and he continues to face guys outside of the top ten. He hasn't faced a real top challenger in his entire career. It's almost inexplicable. Does his team know something that we don't know and that is why they match him easily, or is it that he simply can't get big fights in his weight division, like Gennady Golovkin? It's tough to say because PBC has such a deep cast at 147 that it makes you wonder whether it's the former. Compare who he could face--Porter, Khan, Broner, Garcia, Spence, Brook, Maidana etc.--with who is facing and has faced--Collazo, Guerrero, Bundu, Zavek, Chaves. His choice of Collazo makes me scratch my head. Porter, who is in the same stage developmentally, has now faced Brook, Alexander and Broner. Why are they treating Thurman with comparative kid gloves?

Thurman has been calling these top guys out for years now, and none of them will step up.

They're all chasing the big Mayweather or Pac fight, and Thurman is just too much risk for too little reward.

He's called out Mayweather, Pac, Khan, Maidana, Devon Alexander, Adrien Broner (before the Maidana loss), Malignaggi (when he was a champ), ect. I don't think it's fair to assume the reason why he's not fighting big fights is because he doesn't want the big fights.

Brook is the same. Bags of talent but he's putting his career on hold for Khan, who's putting his career on hold for Mayweather.

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Originally Posted by bzkfn

Brook is the same. Bags of talent but he's putting his career on hold for Khan, who's putting his career on hold for Mayweather.

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Brook faced Porter though, who is tougher than anyone Khan has faced at 147, and tougher than anyone Thurman has faced in his career. He shouldn't continue to face the Gavin Rees' of the world forever, but the Porter win is legit.

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

Thurman has been calling these top guys out for years now, and none of them will step up.

They're all chasing the big Mayweather or Pac fight, and Thurman is just too much risk for too little reward.

He's called out Mayweather, Pac, Khan, Maidana, Devon Alexander, Adrien Broner (before the Maidana loss), Malignaggi (when he was a champ), ect. I don't think it's fair to assume the reason why he's not fighting big fights is because he doesn't want the big fights.

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With Haymon backing him, it's questionable that he hasn't fought someone notable. He has the money to pay for the fights.

He beat Guerrero which was a step in the right direction and now he's fighting Calazo which makes no sense to me. Let him fight Berto atleast. Maybe after Calazo he gets Porter.

I have no problems with Collazo as an opponent. Collazo is a decent fighter and has some name recognition.

You can't knock a guy for trying and as far as charisma and media push he's doing all the right things. The kid has that flash and if not for boxing he would be gold as a professional wrestler ;D. Guerrero was respectable and more importantly a guy who made Thurman learn, same with Bundu even though I thought Keith looked like Peter Pan. Chaves was an unknown toughie but proved ok'ish of a run with Bradley, Rios :-X and now again with Alexander. Disappointed in the Collazo showcase and I think that's the only reason its made. Collazo is class but he's faded and vs Khan looked absolutely clueless, slugging and nothing like he once did. JUst a keep busy and probably a return to power display this weekend, then with Spence jr, Bradley, Khan, Porter, Brook, Maidana, the ghost of Berto and Mayweather this division seems primed for some explosions.

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Brook is the same. Bags of talent but he's putting his career on hold for Khan, who's putting his career on hold for Mayweather.

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Brook faced Porter though, who is tougher than anyone Khan has faced at 147, and tougher than anyone Thurman has faced in his career. He shouldn't continue to face the Gavin Rees' of the world forever, but the Porter win is legit.

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I get what you're saying but Khan's record is pretty decent. At 140 he beat Paulie, Maidana, Kotelnik, Judah and in moving up his wins over Alexander and Collazo were both dominant. Brook and Thurman have both talked shit about Khan's opposition but Maidana in particular is a better opponent than either of them have beaten at this point.

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Brook is the same. Bags of talent but he's putting his career on hold for Khan, who's putting his career on hold for Mayweather.

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Brook faced Porter though, who is tougher than anyone Khan has faced at 147, and tougher than anyone Thurman has faced in his career. He shouldn't continue to face the Gavin Rees' of the world forever, but the Porter win is legit.

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I get what you're saying but Khan's record is pretty decent. At 140 he beat Paulie, Maidana, Kotelnik, Judah and in moving up his wins over Alexander and Collazo were both dominant. Brook and Thurman have both talked shit about Khan's opposition but Maidana in particular is a better opponent than either of them have beaten at this point.

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Also while Porter was a decent victory for Brook, Dan and Gavin are a backwards step. Dan I accept was a mandatory but Gavin was nowhere near that level. Thurman is doing the same things. Running thriugh the gatekeepers but aint fighting the big names.

Once the Floyd sweepstakes is over, we'll start to see more of the other bigger names and up-and-comers go head to head with one another.

Broner vs Porter was a huge step in the right direction. The fight was shit, but at least they actually fought.

Where is Maidana?

Off enjoying his Mayweather money. Apparently he's gotten really fat. Like Erik Morales fat. Ricky Hatton fat.

The Collazo fight is a joke. Collazo made Amir Khan look like SRR, is a recovering alcoholic making a comeback because he can't handle civilian life. He doesn't even have a puncher's chance. I'd rather see Thurman in with Randall Bailey. Premier Boxing Champions my arse.

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Brook is the same. Bags of talent but he's putting his career on hold for Khan, who's putting his career on hold for Mayweather.

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Brook faced Porter though, who is tougher than anyone Khan has faced at 147, and tougher than anyone Thurman has faced in his career. He shouldn't continue to face the Gavin Rees' of the world forever, but the Porter win is legit.

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I get what you're saying but Khan's record is pretty decent. At 140 he beat Paulie, Maidana, Kotelnik, Judah and in moving up his wins over Alexander and Collazo were both dominant. Brook and Thurman have both talked shit about Khan's opposition but Maidana in particular is a better opponent than either of them have beaten at this point.

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Brook is the same. Bags of talent but he's putting his career on hold for Khan, who's putting his career on hold for Mayweather.

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Brook faced Porter though, who is tougher than anyone Khan has faced at 147, and tougher than anyone Thurman has faced in his career. He shouldn't continue to face the Gavin Rees' of the world forever, but the Porter win is legit.

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I get what you're saying but Khan's record is pretty decent. At 140 he beat Paulie, Maidana, Kotelnik, Judah and in moving up his wins over Alexander and Collazo were both dominant. Brook and Thurman have both talked shit about Khan's opposition but Maidana in particular is a better opponent than either of them have beaten at this point.

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Also while Porter was a decent victory for Brook, Dan and Gavin are a backwards step. Dan I accept was a mandatory but Gavin was nowhere near that level. Thurman is doing the same things. Running thriugh the gatekeepers but aint fighting the big names.

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Khan has a much better ledger than Brook on a whole. At 147 though Porter is a better win than Khan has earned. It'll be disappointing if Brook faces another Dan or Rees in his next fight. Rios wasn't a bad choice of opponent. Bradley would be terrific.

Thurman needs to keep moving on an upward trajectory. Collazo is at best stepping laterally, and probably stepping backward. It makes you wonder whether he is really the goods or they are protecting him.

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He beat Guerrero which was a step in the right direction and now he's fighting Calazo which makes no sense to me. Let him fight Berto atleast. Maybe after Calazo he gets Porter.

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Id have Collazo ahead of Berto at this stage

This is Thurman headlining in his hometown so they're not going to get him beat. Compared with the guy Al fed Wilder for his homecoming party Collazo is a killer.

To be fair to Thurman - he's only 26, if you're fighting three or four times a year, guys like Collazo are fair.

I don't get the idea that weak opposition is okay if you fight many weak opponents but bad if you only fight a few weak opponents. But I think everyone needs to step the fuck up. I don't get the way European countries accept mediocrity but it's whatever.

I just watched an interview with Thurman on ESPN and was again reminded what a dueche Thurman is. Talking about himself in the third person again, talking like he has done things again, the dude is entitled. He's so damn arrogant talking like he thinks he's smart not realizing he is not eloquent, he does not have the grasp of the language he thinks he does. And most importantly he has not accomplished what he thinks he has. His cv is weak, very weak. He needs to step up if he is going to talk like a dueche he needs to back it up. I hope he does because boxing needs young stars but with his sloppy technique and dependence on his athleticism I think he gets taken out by Brook, Spence and possibly Crawford(in a few years) if crawford can handle the weight.

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I don't get the idea that weak opposition is okay if you fight many weak opponents but bad if you only fight a few weak opponents. But I think everyone needs to step the fuck up. I don't get the way European countries accept mediocrity but it's whatever.

I just watched an interview with Thurman on ESPN and was again reminded what a dueche Thurman is. Talking about himself in the third person again, talking like he has done things again, the dude is entitled. He's so damn arrogant talking like he thinks he's smart not realizing he is not eloquent, he does not have the grasp of the language he thinks he does. And most importantly he has not accomplished what he thinks he has. His cv is weak, very weak. He needs to step up if he is going to talk like a dueche he needs to back it up. I hope he does because boxing needs young stars but with his sloppy technique and dependence on his athleticism I think he gets taken out by Brook, Spence and possibly Crawford(in a few years) if crawford can handle the weight.

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Don't mean to be patronising but when you realise that boxing is a business you'll understand it a bit more.

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I don't get the idea that weak opposition is okay if you fight many weak opponents but bad if you only fight a few weak opponents. But I think everyone needs to step the fuck up. I don't get the way European countries accept mediocrity but it's whatever.

I just watched an interview with Thurman on ESPN and was again reminded what a dueche Thurman is. Talking about himself in the third person again, talking like he has done things again, the dude is entitled. He's so damn arrogant talking like he thinks he's smart not realizing he is not eloquent, he does not have the grasp of the language he thinks he does. And most importantly he has not accomplished what he thinks he has. His cv is weak, very weak. He needs to step up if he is going to talk like a dueche he needs to back it up. I hope he does because boxing needs young stars but with his sloppy technique and dependence on his athleticism I think he gets taken out by Brook, Spence and possibly Crawford(in a few years) if crawford can handle the weight.

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Don't mean to be patronising but when you realise that boxing is a business you'll understand it a bit more.

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It is more than just a business it is a livelihood.

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I don't get the idea that weak opposition is okay if you fight many weak opponents but bad if you only fight a few weak opponents.

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I agree with your sentiment but I really don't view Collazo as "weak opposition". He's a tricky veteran southpaw who has a long history of being a spoiler, making big name guys look bad (and often getting robbed on the scorecards). He's also durable as fuck. This is not the ideal guy you want your young KO artist in with, because Thurman is going to have to think, conserve himself and come up with dynamic offence.

Would I rather see Thurman in with guys like Khan, Porter, Brook, or even Mayweather and Pac? Of course. But if those fights can't be made, I think savvy veterans like Collazo and Guerrero are respectable "stay busy" fights. This isn't like Deontay Wilder, who fights guys like Jason Gavern and Eric Molina in the mean time: guys with no real world stage experience and early KO's on their records who were selected to go down quick and make Deontay look like a million bucks. Collazo isn't the guy you choose to fight to make you look good or to get a quick KO. He's a real opponent with skill who's coming to win.

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I don't get the idea that weak opposition is okay if you fight many weak opponents but bad if you only fight a few weak opponents. But I think everyone needs to step the fuck up. I don't get the way European countries accept mediocrity but it's whatever.

I just watched an interview with Thurman on ESPN and was again reminded what a dueche Thurman is. Talking about himself in the third person again, talking like he has done things again, the dude is entitled. He's so damn arrogant talking like he thinks he's smart not realizing he is not eloquent, he does not have the grasp of the language he thinks he does. And most importantly he has not accomplished what he thinks he has. His cv is weak, very weak. He needs to step up if he is going to talk like a dueche he needs to back it up. I hope he does because boxing needs young stars but with his sloppy technique and dependence on his athleticism I think he gets taken out by Brook, Spence and possibly Crawford(in a few years) if crawford can handle the weight.

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Don't mean to be patronising but when you realise that boxing is a business you'll understand it a bit more.

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It is more than just a business it is a livelihood.

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They'd all be skint if it was left to you.

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I don't get the idea that weak opposition is okay if you fight many weak opponents but bad if you only fight a few weak opponents. But I think everyone needs to step the fuck up. I don't get the way European countries accept mediocrity but it's whatever.

I just watched an interview with Thurman on ESPN and was again reminded what a dueche Thurman is. Talking about himself in the third person again, talking like he has done things again, the dude is entitled. He's so damn arrogant talking like he thinks he's smart not realizing he is not eloquent, he does not have the grasp of the language he thinks he does. And most importantly he has not accomplished what he thinks he has. His cv is weak, very weak. He needs to step up if he is going to talk like a dueche he needs to back it up. I hope he does because boxing needs young stars but with his sloppy technique and dependence on his athleticism I think he gets taken out by Brook, Spence and possibly Crawford(in a few years) if crawford can handle the weight.

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Don't mean to be patronising but when you realise that boxing is a business you'll understand it a bit more.

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It is more than just a business it is a livelihood.

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They'd all be skint if it was left to you.

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I would empower them to take control of their career and educate themselves on maximising their earning potential.

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I don't get the idea that weak opposition is okay if you fight many weak opponents but bad if you only fight a few weak opponents. But I think everyone needs to step the fuck up. I don't get the way European countries accept mediocrity but it's whatever.

I just watched an interview with Thurman on ESPN and was again reminded what a dueche Thurman is. Talking about himself in the third person again, talking like he has done things again, the dude is entitled. He's so damn arrogant talking like he thinks he's smart not realizing he is not eloquent, he does not have the grasp of the language he thinks he does. And most importantly he has not accomplished what he thinks he has. His cv is weak, very weak. He needs to step up if he is going to talk like a dueche he needs to back it up. I hope he does because boxing needs young stars but with his sloppy technique and dependence on his athleticism I think he gets taken out by Brook, Spence and possibly Crawford(in a few years) if crawford can handle the weight.

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Don't mean to be patronising but when you realise that boxing is a business you'll understand it a bit more.

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It is more than just a business it is a livelihood.

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They'd all be skint if it was left to you.

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I would empower them to take control of their career and educate themselves on maximising their earning potential.

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Strive to become a PPV fighter? Good advice.

I think khan and Thurman think they have a shot with Floyd in September so have taken these opponents as a stop gap for the big one.

I'm on my way to see Keith Thurman Right now!!!!

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I don't get the idea that weak opposition is okay if you fight many weak opponents but bad if you only fight a few weak opponents. But I think everyone needs to step the fuck up. I don't get the way European countries accept mediocrity but it's whatever.

I just watched an interview with Thurman on ESPN and was again reminded what a dueche Thurman is. Talking about himself in the third person again, talking like he has done things again, the dude is entitled. He's so damn arrogant talking like he thinks he's smart not realizing he is not eloquent, he does not have the grasp of the language he thinks he does. And most importantly he has not accomplished what he thinks he has. His cv is weak, very weak. He needs to step up if he is going to talk like a dueche he needs to back it up. I hope he does because boxing needs young stars but with his sloppy technique and dependence on his athleticism I think he gets taken out by Brook, Spence and possibly Crawford(in a few years) if crawford can handle the weight.

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Don't mean to be patronising but when you realise that boxing is a business you'll understand it a bit more.

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I don't think you understand those words. Of course boxing is a business, but fans don't have to fall in line to be milked. If fans stop accepting being bent over they will stop being bent over so much. Tonight Thurman is fighting a man in a fight he says "I have nothing to gain" and he gets away with it because fans accept this. Oh it's business, it's business. In business if you have a shitty product it doesn't sell. But boxing fans say "well sure this is shit but I'll drink it because...." i put .... Because the excuses for these guys taking shitty fights are endless. People even argue that shitty fights like Brook/Rios aren't shitty fights even though absolutely nobody would pick Rios. Collazos momma isn't betting on Collazo, it's a shitty fight. This new generation needs to do what previous generations did and earn something. Keith Thurman is a rich man, and he is a rich man off doing nothing. Dude needs to do something.

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I don't get the idea that weak opposition is okay if you fight many weak opponents but bad if you only fight a few weak opponents.

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I agree with your sentiment but I really don't view Collazo as "weak opposition". He's a tricky veteran southpaw who has a long history of being a spoiler, making big name guys look bad (and often getting robbed on the scorecards). He's also durable as fuck. This is not the ideal guy you want your young KO artist in with, because Thurman is going to have to think, conserve himself and come up with dynamic offence.


Would I rather see Thurman in with guys like Khan, Porter, Brook, or even Mayweather and Pac? Of course. But if those fights can't be made, I think savvy veterans like Collazo and Guerrero are respectable "stay busy" fights. This isn't like Deontay Wilder, who fights guys like Jason Gavern and Eric Molina in the mean time: guys with no real world stage experience and early KO's on their records who were selected to go down quick and make Deontay look like a million bucks. Collazo isn't the guy you choose to fight to make you look good or to get a quick KO. He's a real opponent with skill who's coming to win.

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Collazo has a long history because he is old and thus getting worse. He just had a pathetic performance vs Khan where this "tricky" fighter put his hands down and walked face first into a beating round after round because his feet are so slow at this point he can't do anything else. Thurman will walk him into punches over and over. If I'm wrong i will gladly admit it but if this is a one sided beatdown(and since Collazo isn't ranked top 15 in any organization it should be) i hope all those saying this is a good fight come back for their crow.

Tony Harrison has a serious chance to steal the show tonight.

Atlas seriously talking up Thurman. Let's see how he looks tonight against someone he's fully expected to beat.

Harrison story is good.

Harrison is going to get his chin tested with that straight right before this is over

Good 1st round.
I could see the fight ending on a short left hook by Harrison.

Lots of wasted energy from Harrison

This could end very dramatically

Nelson who doesn't have the best of chins took those left hooks pretty well

Harrison stuck in between in 3rd, lots of posing and thinking. Thought Nelson edged it.

Harrison looks like he might be coming apart.

Nelson getting pretty close as Harrison jumps in, kid has holes. acting like he's felt the power

This has turned into a disappointing fight