Would you support 7 day work weeks?

Good idea or not?

Two Wisconsin lawmakers are pushing for a 7 day work week-to which they claim is on behalf of the state's largest business group: Wisconsin Manufacturers and Commerce.

When the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel followed up: WMC spokesman Jim Pugh who was questioned-has yet return messages.

Both legislators (Born & Grothman) stated: the idea was given to Republican legislator and not the Democratic side.
Born and Grothman also said businesses have employees who want to work the additional time. But when asked for names; said the only people they met with to discuss the bill were from WMC & not workers.

Sen. Glenn Grothman is from West Bend and Mark Born is from Beaver Dam.
Both are from 2 small suburban areas with small populations in Wisconsin. So I wonder have they spoken with employees from major cities like Green Bay, Milwaukee & Madison Wisconsin.

Their claim: this bill gives workers a way to make extra money and employers a way to boost production by way of volunteering to work 7 days. Democrats as expected- immediately opposed it. Their claim: employers would use the bill to force their employees to work longer and effectively erase the weekend-
Erase the idea for raises. Employees who leave-likely would see such positions go immigrants who are less likely to ask for raises let alone time off.

Current Wisconsin law requires employers to give their workers at least 24 consecutive hours off every seven days. Under Grothman and Born's proposal, workers could volunteer to work seven straight days without a rest day.

My take?
#1 How can the economy be so bad- if these corporations are churning out products 7 days of out of 7?
#2. A lot of companies have eliminated 40 hour work weeks down to 37.5
#3. A lot of companies have gone up to 12 hour work days on a 4 on 3 off basis. Then require mandatory rotation.

example: Quad Graphics bindery workers do mon-tue-wed 7am-7pm rotate sun.

The other shift does thur-fri-sat rotate sun.
(so one week is a 36 hour work week.
The other is 48 hours per week
BUT: because they rotate from days to night- every 6 weeks I think-- they lose that sunday meaning they put in more 36 hour work weeks than 48.

So if your 4th workday starts after the payperiod; then you can work 48 hours and not get the 8 hours overtime- because that 4th day- starts the next pay period.

Koch brothers who are backing Walker's bid for Potus do this now in many of the factories across many industries that they run. Same for their data center -I know I applied for them- then turned it down when the Human Resources chick tried to convince me- Because I will not work a standard 52 week calendar year- rather 46- it give me more time with family!! (smile)

More time to what? complain how Im missing money from a 46 work week calendar year as opposed to 52?
My point is- why would these very companies institute such rotation work weeks, decrease 40 hr. work weeks...

Then submit this? Am I missing something?

GOP lawmakers propose allowing 7-day work week in Wisconsin

I think it's stupid 5 days of work has been fair since Henry Ford gave us "the weekend" (he allowed 2 days off because Christians and Jews argued over which day was the Sabbath so he said "Alright take two and come in Monday")

Now as a co-owner of a small business I sometimes find myself working on the weekends, but that's just fine by me and it inconveniences no one.

Changing my own subject a bit- If I could extend my greatest 3 thread to the top 20- Henry would be there somewhere.


Hope I'm not being a revisionist- But I (think) Barry Gordy of Motown built his record company to mimmick certain aspects of Ford company.

Even had a QC division. where quality control makes sure each part is fit to go on a car. Barry had a department of people who listened to make sure the song was radio-worthy.

So Ford was one of the pioneers in giving us reboot of my mind time? aka weekend?
Ford was and is a heavy dude.

But I digress...:rolleyes:

I wouldn't. People need time to breath and reboot. Seems it would be completely up to the individual business owner in an ideal world. Quality pay and production with adequate down time over quantity and depending on job type, leadership and environment..certain burn out and negative morale.

Fuck no, people will get depressed go insane and shoot people.

Managers will use it to exploit employees.

You want someone to work 7 days, you give them overtime hours for 2 days.

Expect Wisconsin to trail blaze on a few decisions. & the rest of the states to consider following. Walker is silent on the issue- almost as if to feel the mood of the people before he does speak on that which will come to his desk- yet fact is- the legislature here is moving full steam ahead.

There needs to be an option 'Fuck no!'

Bollocks to that. People should be working 2 days a week for the money they are pulling in. The system is all wrong and people are being treated like grazing cattle. They need to charge and aim for the balls.

A 3 day working week would be good bring back the unions 70's.

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Originally Posted by Master

A 3 day working week would be good bring back the unions 70's.

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I'm going partisan here: bare with me. For American Republicans who fancy a dude named Scott Walker-governor of Wisconsin- for the next Prez.... A lot of his campaign donations comes from a team of brothers; Koch brothers.

Their father made his millions in the 1930's under Stalin- check it out!:o They are now billionaires-
They own business across many industries- thus their business is called Koch (INDUSTRIES)
Well....They fund studies- that are done in what we call (think) tanks.

These studies - example 1. is that since the average American is living so much longer- these baby boomers- so many are ready to collect their social security-:o so the institutes that are the conduit for these thinkers- in the think tanks- release (findings)
suggesting that....
the retirement should be changed- from 65-67- now age 69 is being considered.
So the
Harry Bradley foundation (in Wisconsin) along with the Heritage Foundation and others- make these claims.<<----think tanks

Politicians who then receive funding- back these claims up and then run on them-when they campaign.

Long story short- the idea of a 7 day work week is instituted in the same fashion-
In fact many here in Wisconsin are doing what U suggest based on these studies- 3 day work weeks HOWEVER...:rolleyes: the hours go up from 8-12 hours in a day.
One day rotation. Then they flip everyone's shift from the front end of the week to the back- and from days to nights.

So in the long run; some will work lesser hours- because the 36 hours work week -takes away 4 hours from the 40 standard. and switching shifts takes away that 48 hour work week- and I repeat myself- many companies now pay on Tuesdays, Wednesdays- as opposed to the traditional Friday.
What this does is allow 48 hours straight- without overtime because -if the 4th day is the start of a new pay period- then U get jack for o.t., how nice?;D

Quiet are the mainstream media and conservative media about who is behind this. Question?:rolleyes: Why is that?:confused:

only if we make a week 14 days instead of 7

Get rid of unions, so they can get 5 days worth of work out of these people.

If there was some type of shift differential (maybe like a 10% premium) attached to the standard pay on the weekends, I'd be okay with it.
Also, only on a voluntary basis. You'd be surprised how many would jump at it.

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

Get rid of unions, so they can get 5 days worth of work out of these people.

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You must be a American. Only a American would take it straight up the ass and think it's a good thing. The fact is the American worker works harder and longer hours than the western world. Also the U.S. out produces any country for less money. So the answer is to work more fucking hours? Unions build this Country and made it great. Only 7% of the US belong to Unions. What I'm taking about is your freedom and how fast it can be taken away.

What this means in reality is that bosses can force workers to work seven days and get rid of ones who won't. It's just another in a series of pro-capital anti-labour laws passed by a state Governor who is bought and paid for by a couple of billionaire fossil fuel magnates. It should not be allowed.

What is important is output per hour worked, not number of hours worked. For instance, French workers produce more in their 35 hour workweek than American workers do in 47. But increased productivity means increased investment and training in/of labour by business. It's cheaper just to force people to work long hours and deny them the right to organise so you can pay them as little as possible.

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Originally Posted by mrbig1

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

Get rid of unions, so they can get 5 days worth of work out of these people.

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You must be a American. Only a American would take it straight up the ass and think it's a good thing. The fact is the American worker works harder and longer hours than the western world. Also the U.S. out produces any country for less money. So the answer is to work more fucking hours? Unions build this Country and made it great. Only 7% of the US belong to Unions. What I'm taking about is your freedom and how fast it can be taken away.

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Freedom.....what's free about a Union? Are dues free? Will they allow you to work peacefully without being part of one? Is THAT free?

I've got the Freedom of CHOICE, I can choose to take a job or choose not to, I don't have to ask permission if I choose to work longer hours.

Unions had their time in the spotlight and now they are bloated and all they do is keep alcoholics from getting fired.

Unions protect the rights of workers from being exploited by bosses who make unnecessary cuts to get bonus payments.

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Originally Posted by Master

Unions protect the rights of workers from being exploited by bosses who make unnecessary cuts to get bonus payments.

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My best friend is a Union Delegate.

He earns $175,000 per year for doing ......... NOTHING

Plus all the supplies he can steal out of the Union Hall storage closets.

Pure Filth

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Originally Posted by Master

Unions protect the rights of workers from being exploited by bosses who make unnecessary cuts to get bonus payments.

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My lord, do you lefties think EVERY boss is Ebenezer Scrooge???


"I'm a eeeeevil boss, I want to fuck over the people who help me run MY FUCKING BUSINESS!!!!"


....I'm a boss, I'm not a fucking dictator, fuck sakes. I want my workers happy as they work better when they are happy, and their families are happy, and my business grows because the feeling it leaves people with is happiness, and safety, and trust....and if they don't feel that way I don't make as much money, ergo I don't need a fucking union.


Look what great deeds Unions have done for Detroit, Youngstown, et al....yeah those places look REAL fun and happy :-\

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Originally Posted by mrbig1

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

Get rid of unions, so they can get 5 days worth of work out of these people.

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You must be a American. Only a American would take it straight up the ass and think it's a good thing. The fact is the American worker works harder and longer hours than the western world. Also the U.S. out produces any country for less money. So the answer is to work more fucking hours? Unions build this Country and made it great. Only 7% of the US belong to Unions. What I'm taking about is your freedom and how fast it can be taken away.

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I'm Canadian.

The fact is, for every story of a greedy company fucking it's employees, there's a story about an overreaching union protecting shitty/lazy/corrosive employees. ESPECIALLY in government jobs.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

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Originally Posted by Master

Unions protect the rights of workers from being exploited by bosses who make unnecessary cuts to get bonus payments.

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My lord, do you lefties think EVERY boss is Ebenezer Scrooge???


"I'm a eeeeevil boss, I want to fuck over the people who help me run MY FUCKING BUSINESS!!!!"


....I'm a boss, I'm not a fucking dictator, fuck sakes. I want my workers happy as they work better when they are happy, and their families are happy, and my business grows because the feeling it leaves people with is happiness, and safety, and trust....and if they don't feel that way I don't make as much money, ergo I don't need a fucking union.


Look what great deeds Unions have done for Detroit, Youngstown, et al....yeah those places look REAL fun and happy :-\

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How many employees do you have ?

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Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

How many employees do you have ?

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5....so not enough to warrant unionizing, besides, I pay them well and have continuously honored their loyalty to me....more than any thug Union boss would do.

Unions did not destroy Detroit.

What is the problem helping an worker who may have alcohol issues if he is an asset to the company when he is sober?

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Originally Posted by Master

Unions did not destroy Detroit.

What is the problem helping an worker who may have alcohol issues if he is an asset to the company when he is sober?

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Yes they did. http://www.forbes.com/sites/kylesmit...thing-is-left/

Do you want a drunk person assembling your car? Do you want a drunk person driving freight down the highway? Do you want your coworker to make a mistake which could cost you a limb to keep their job just because they belong to a union? I'm sorry, I believe in PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY AND ACCOUNTABILITY!

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Originally Posted by Master

Unions did not destroy Detroit.

What is the problem helping an worker who may have alcohol issues if he is an asset to the company when he is sober?

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Yes they did. Detroit Gave Unions Keys To The City, And Now Nothing Is Left - Forbes

Do you want a drunk person assembling your car? Do you want a drunk person driving freight down the highway? Do you want your coworker to make a mistake which could cost you a limb to keep their job just because they belong to a union? I'm sorry, I believe in PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY AND ACCOUNTABILITY!

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Obviously he needs to be suspended and allowed to recover and given an opportunity to make amens especially if the worker is skilled, loyal and an asset to the company.

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Originally Posted by Master

Obviously he needs to be suspended and allowed to recover and given an opportunity to make amens especially if the worker is skilled, loyal and an asset to the company.

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Workers who are "assets to the company" don't need Unions to help them keep their jobs.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

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Originally Posted by Master

Obviously he needs to be suspended and allowed to recover and given an opportunity to make amens especially if the worker is skilled, loyal and an asset to the company.

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Workers who are "assets to the company" don't need Unions to help them keep their jobs.

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If they feel a union will help them, then why deny them the opportunity to join one.

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Originally Posted by Master

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

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Originally Posted by Master

Obviously he needs to be suspended and allowed to recover and given an opportunity to make amens especially if the worker is skilled, loyal and an asset to the company.

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Workers who are "assets to the company" don't need Unions to help them keep their jobs.

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If they feel a union will help them, then why deny them the opportunity to join one.

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Because they'd FORCE others to join....and yes emphasis on FORCE as in coerce, against the will of the other individual.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

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Originally Posted by Master

Obviously he needs to be suspended and allowed to recover and given an opportunity to make amens especially if the worker is skilled, loyal and an asset to the company.

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Workers who are "assets to the company" don't need Unions to help them keep their jobs.

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True dat.

I worked at a grocery store when I was younger and there was a senior employee who got caught stealing food from the back - apparently she'd been doing it for awhile. They fired her, but she was tight with the union and got her job back. Imagine, this company didn't have the power to get rid of an employee who was caught STEALING! There was another incident where a grocery clerk got into it with a customer and told him to "fuck off", got fired but the union got him his job back!

Not that management are great... I think the moral of the story is that people will look out for their own self interest and take liberties no matter what side of the coin they are on. Unions pull bullshit just like management.

@Master there are loads of examples of Unions keeping people from trying to DO WORK....work that would help people, maybe even save lives.

After Hurricane Sandy many construction and electrical companies from the Southeastern US went up to NY and NJ to try and repair the damage.....only problem is, the workers from down South weren't Unionized and therefore their help wasn't wanted and they were told to leave.


I detest Unions and would never be a part of one.

The governor who isn't stopping the talks on 7 day work weeks, seems to fancy(some) unions.
While walker enacted act 10- A union known as The Wisconsin state trooper (who protected the state capital) when a hundred thousand protesters descended upon it. ---were not only sparred from the blues of Act 10- but they got a 17% pay increase. By some strange coincidence, they endorsed walker leading up to the recall.
Several fire fighters unions endorsed Walker.

So police and fire fighter unions across America take advantage?
Or is it certain people in certain unions- meaning every union isn't on the take any more than every union are all blessed angels.
Be it UPS and their union. OUR MANUFACTURERS UNIONS. Or even the teamsters that backed Ronald Reagan in 1980- mob related teamsters at that.

I couldn't link them all in one heap and claim if i have seen one union...I've seen them all.
What i can claim: the governor that is allowing talks for 7 day work weeks has the support of some unions....and those very unions are reaping the benefits.

I am not in a union myself but respect the right of workers to join one and for you to not be pro-choice as you are on many issues shows you right wing republican southern bias coming through.

If someone has stolen then I do not know how a union could or should keep anyone in their job. That is corruption plane and simple. I am sure it works the other way too in management which is equally as bad.

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Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

How many employees do you have ?

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5....so not enough to warrant unionizing, besides, I pay them well and have continuously honored their loyalty to me....more than any thug Union boss would do.

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You need five employees to surf the internet, masturbate and play video games all day?

As far as unions go people, the plural of anecdote is not data.

The IMF, the OECD and the World Bank have all issued recent reports that say global economies need more worker representation to get them a bigger slice of profits as the current distribution of wealth is so unbalanced it's badly damaging the global economy.

American unions may have corruption problems and do things that seem in favour of even bad workers against the businesses they work for but every single major institution in America has the same problems.

Go to Germany and every company over 20 employees must allow a union and furthermore has to have a union representative sitting in with the managers and board of directors and making decisions with them. Seeing as hoe Germany currently has an unemployment rate far smaller than America's, a massive trade surplus and fantastic industrial relations with well-paid well-trained staff then clearly there's a place for unions. The heads of the world's major global financial institutions all think so too.

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Originally Posted by Master

I am not in a union myself but respect the right of workers to join one and for you to not be pro-choice as you are on many issues shows you right wing republican southern bias coming through.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-work_law

North Carolina is a right to work state meaning if you don't WANT to be in a Union then you don't have to join one to get hired for certain jobs. If North Carolina was NOT right to work, then in certain jobs you would be forced, coerced, bullied into being a Union member.

So Unions say either you're A) Union or B) Not working....whereas Right to work states say if you would like to join a Union fine, but it is not required.

....but you were calling me biased about something?

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

You need five employees to surf the internet, masturbate and play video games all day?

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What....you don't?



So was it Alanis Morissette or O.Henry that wrote that comment for you? Couldn't help but notice the unrelenting irony of it.

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Originally Posted by Master

That is corruption plane and simple. I am sure it works the other way too in management which is equally as bad.

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For sure!

My dad works as a city work foreman (municipal government = strong union) so I hear a lot of the union horror stories from him. He estimates he gets about 4 hours worth of work from the workers there. When they hire on new employees they start off working hard, but the senior guys get to them quick and make them slow down, because it makes them look bad. So to go to Kabong's point, you have guys pulling other workers down to their shitty level so as not to look bad. If you resist, you get bullied and fucked with by the senior guys.

I'm lucky enough to have a job where the management and union are cool and work reasonably together.

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Originally Posted by Master

That is corruption plane and simple. I am sure it works the other way too in management which is equally as bad.

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For sure!

My dad works as a city work foreman (municipal government = strong union) so I hear a lot of the union horror stories from him. He estimates he gets about 4 hours worth of work from the workers there. When they hire on new employees they start off working hard, but the senior guys get to them quick and make them slow down, because it makes them look bad. So to go to Kabong's point, you have guys pulling other workers down to their shitty level so as not to look bad. If you resist, you get bullied and fucked with by the senior guys.

I'm lucky enough to have a job where the management and union are cool and work reasonably together.

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I have heard your public services have been run down to bear minimum and maybe the staff do that because they do not want further unnecessary cuts by management who go on Prince 2 lean process training and think they know how to run it as a business and not a public service.

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

You need five employees to surf the internet, masturbate and play video games all day?

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What....you don't?



So was it Alanis Morissette or O.Henry that wrote that comment for you? Couldn't help but notice the unrelenting irony of it.

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I call in here four days a week for half an hour after work. I don't do facebook, twitter or any other things like that. Other than coming here I only use the internet for work (I can include reading the papers as work). I've honestly never played a video game in my life other than in an actual amusement arcade when I was about 10. I will admit to occasionally cranking one out but as a rule I leave that kind of thing to young ladies that I'm not related to.

You spend all day every day on this site. And from things you've written it's clear you spend a lot of time posting elsewhere. You've started several threads on video games so you clearly spend time playing them. There's no way you even have a job. You can continue to claim you have a business but you're not fooling anybody.

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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

I call in here four days a week for half an hour after work. I don't do facebook, twitter or any other things like that. Other than coming here I only use the internet for work (I can include reading the papers as work). I've honestly never played a video game in my life other than in an actual amusement arcade when I was about 10. I will admit to occasionally cranking one out but as a rule I leave that kind of thing to young ladies that I'm not related to.

You spend all day every day on this site. And from things you've written it's clear you spend a lot of time posting elsewhere. You've started several threads on video games so you clearly spend time playing them. There's no way you even have a job. You can continue to claim you have a business but you're not fooling anybody.

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Uh huh....well not quite the snappy comeback I was expecting and more of a personal attack, but hey whatever helps you sleep at night chief