Would you support 7 day work weeks?

[El Kabong]

Obviously he needs to be suspended and allowed to recover and given an opportunity to make amens especially if the worker is skilled, loyal and an asset to the company.

Workers who are "assets to the company" don't need Unions to help them keep their jobs.

[Master]

Obviously he needs to be suspended and allowed to recover and given an opportunity to make amens especially if the worker is skilled, loyal and an asset to the company.

Workers who are "assets to the company" don't need Unions to help them keep their jobs.

If they feel a union will help them, then why deny them the opportunity to join one.

[El Kabong]

Obviously he needs to be suspended and allowed to recover and given an opportunity to make amens especially if the worker is skilled, loyal and an asset to the company.

Workers who are "assets to the company" don't need Unions to help them keep their jobs.

If they feel a union will help them, then why deny them the opportunity to join one.

Because they'd FORCE others to join....and yes emphasis on FORCE as in coerce, against the will of the other individual.

[Beanflicker]

Obviously he needs to be suspended and allowed to recover and given an opportunity to make amens especially if the worker is skilled, loyal and an asset to the company.

Workers who are "assets to the company" don't need Unions to help them keep their jobs.

True dat.

I worked at a grocery store when I was younger and there was a senior employee who got caught stealing food from the back - apparently she'd been doing it for awhile. They fired her, but she was tight with the union and got her job back. Imagine, this company didn't have the power to get rid of an employee who was caught STEALING! There was another incident where a grocery clerk got into it with a customer and told him to "fuck off", got fired but the union got him his job back!

Not that management are great... I think the moral of the story is that people will look out for their own self interest and take liberties no matter what side of the coin they are on. Unions pull bullshit just like management.

[El Kabong]

@Master there are loads of examples of Unions keeping people from trying to DO WORK....work that would help people, maybe even save lives.

After Hurricane Sandy many construction and electrical companies from the Southeastern US went up to NY and NJ to try and repair the damage.....only problem is, the workers from down South weren't Unionized and therefore their help wasn't wanted and they were told to leave.


I detest Unions and would never be a part of one.

[SlimTrae]

The governor who isn't stopping the talks on 7 day work weeks, seems to fancy(some) unions.
While walker enacted act 10- A union known as The Wisconsin state trooper (who protected the state capital) when a hundred thousand protesters descended upon it. ---were not only sparred from the blues of Act 10- but they got a 17% pay increase. By some strange coincidence, they endorsed walker leading up to the recall.
Several fire fighters unions endorsed Walker.

So police and fire fighter unions across America take advantage?
Or is it certain people in certain unions- meaning every union isn't on the take any more than every union are all blessed angels.
Be it UPS and their union. OUR MANUFACTURERS UNIONS. Or even the teamsters that backed Ronald Reagan in 1980- mob related teamsters at that.

I couldn't link them all in one heap and claim if i have seen one union...I've seen them all.
What i can claim: the governor that is allowing talks for 7 day work weeks has the support of some unions....and those very unions are reaping the benefits.

[Master]

I am not in a union myself but respect the right of workers to join one and for you to not be pro-choice as you are on many issues shows you right wing republican southern bias coming through.

If someone has stolen then I do not know how a union could or should keep anyone in their job. That is corruption plane and simple. I am sure it works the other way too in management which is equally as bad.

[El Kabong]

I am not in a union myself but respect the right of workers to join one and for you to not be pro-choice as you are on many issues shows you right wing republican southern bias coming through.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-work_law

North Carolina is a right to work state meaning if you don't WANT to be in a Union then you don't have to join one to get hired for certain jobs. If North Carolina was NOT right to work, then in certain jobs you would be forced, coerced, bullied into being a Union member.

So Unions say either you're A) Union or B) Not working....whereas Right to work states say if you would like to join a Union fine, but it is not required.

....but you were calling me biased about something?

[Beanflicker]

That is corruption plane and simple. I am sure it works the other way too in management which is equally as bad.

For sure!

My dad works as a city work foreman (municipal government = strong union) so I hear a lot of the union horror stories from him. He estimates he gets about 4 hours worth of work from the workers there. When they hire on new employees they start off working hard, but the senior guys get to them quick and make them slow down, because it makes them look bad. So to go to Kabong's point, you have guys pulling other workers down to their shitty level so as not to look bad. If you resist, you get bullied and fucked with by the senior guys.

I'm lucky enough to have a job where the management and union are cool and work reasonably together.

[Master]

That is corruption plane and simple. I am sure it works the other way too in management which is equally as bad.

For sure!

My dad works as a city work foreman (municipal government = strong union) so I hear a lot of the union horror stories from him. He estimates he gets about 4 hours worth of work from the workers there. When they hire on new employees they start off working hard, but the senior guys get to them quick and make them slow down, because it makes them look bad. So to go to Kabong's point, you have guys pulling other workers down to their shitty level so as not to look bad. If you resist, you get bullied and fucked with by the senior guys.

I'm lucky enough to have a job where the management and union are cool and work reasonably together.

I have heard your public services have been run down to bear minimum and maybe the staff do that because they do not want further unnecessary cuts by management who go on Prince 2 lean process training and think they know how to run it as a business and not a public service.